4/15 Draft Thoughts

[cnuball21]

- Caleb Downs / Jeremiah Love are my top 2 players in the class. I see ZERO bust potential and you can flip a coin on you have at 1.
- When it rains it pours...the Cowboys have 2 1st round picks and we end with a really poor class at the top and we likely just removed 2 more players from our board in Bain and McCoy.
- If the above is true I think honing in on the big 4 and locking in on a trade up is a horrible idea. We are not 1 player away and need more darts to help fix our defense. I would rather trade down.
- There is a possibility Bain is there at 12 and we pass on in him for "scheme fit." I have been vocal on him being overrated in this class but I think at 12 you turn the card in considering what else will be available.
- I am at the point where offense should be on the table in round 1. If someone like Love / Mauignoa are available there is a chance they are about 10 slots higher than who the Cowboys may be considering. I am the most anti RB in round person you will find but this class has us handcuffed.
- CP has talked about the importance of stoping the run and how if you can do it with your front 4/7 and keep your safeties back it significantly helps your secondary. Dont be surprised if we do something like Faulk / Allen in round 1. High floor players that may not be great value but are dogs against the run and are safe.

 

[darthseinfeld]

- Caleb Downs / Jeremiah Love are my top 2 players in the class. I see ZERO bust potential and you can flip a coin on you have at 1.
- When it rains it pours...the Cowboys have 2 1st round picks and we end with a really poor class at the top and we likely just removed 2 more players from our board in Bain and McCoy.
- If the above is true I think honing in on the big 4 and locking in on a trade up is a horrible idea. We are not 1 player away and need more darts to help fix our defense. I would rather trade down.
- There is a possibility Bain is there at 12 and we pass on in him for "scheme fit." I have been vocal on him being overrated in this class but I think at 12 you turn the card in considering what else will be available.
- I am at the point where offense should be on the table in round 1. If someone like Love / Mauignoa are available there is a chance they are about 10 slots higher than who the Cowboys may be considering. I am the most anti RB in round person you will find but this class has us handcuffed.
- CP has talked about the importance of stoping the run and how if you can do it with your front 4/7 and keep your safeties back it significantly helps your secondary. Dont be surprised if we do something like Faulk / Allen in round 1. High floor players that may not be great value but are dogs against the run and are safe.

Great insight

Harris seemed pretty declarative about Hood at 20. Seemed a pretty strong statement for him. I can see a Faulk/Hood combo with them then looking at Brooks and maybe even Greenard or Sweat in the post draft market

 

[cnuball21]

Great insight

Harris seemed pretty declarative about Hood at 20. Seemed a pretty strong statement for him. I can see a Faulk/Hood combo with them then looking at Brooks and maybe even Greenard or Sweat in the post draft market

That also would not surprise me one bit.

I see Hood as more or a #2 and 2nd round guy but he might be the best you get at 20 in this class.

I like what I have heard about his mental makeup. Apparently he was watching a ton of film at TN and his uncle was an NFL DB.

 

[darthseinfeld]

That also would not surprise me one bit.

I see Hood as more or a #2 and 2nd round guy but he might be the best you get at 20 in this class.

I like what I have heard about his mental makeup. Apparently he was watching a ton of film at TN and his uncle was an NFL DB.

I like Hood. I have him as my #3. Him here with Parker developing could have him ending up the best CB to come out of this class. I think Parker can get his hip flex to be more consistent. I think if he can do that, then he is a different tier CB than he is now

 

[John813]

Obviously we won't know now or right after the draft on which players become great, good, average or bust.

This defense needs a lot of help. So I agree in theory keeping the picks to try to pick a first round grade player and then a 2nd round grade player makes sense over trading up, when it's not a surefire move.

The last time we traded up for a defensive player was Morris Claiborne and ended up missing out on guys like Brockers and Wagner had we stayed put.

I'm not sold that Bain/Bailey are can't miss edge players, nor is Styles a can't miss LB. Even Reese isn't a sure thing.

 

[cnuball21]

Obviously we won't know now or right after the draft on which players become great, good, average or bust.

This defense needs a lot of help. So I agree in theory keeping the picks to try to pick a first round grade player and then a 2nd round grade player makes sense over trading up, when it's not a surefire move.

The last time we traded up for a defensive player was Morris Claiborne and ended up missing out on guys like Brockers and Wagner had we stayed put.

I'm not sold that Bain/Bailey are can't miss edge players. Even Reese isn't a sure thing.

I am of the mindset you dont trade up unless it is for a QB or if you feel your team is 1 player away.

 

[NDGAEDE]

Well put. I expect CP will be looking more Kelvin Faulk type on the DL than Bain. I don't love that, but I think Faulk has a pretty high floor, so we're getting something day1, its just not very flashy.

I am very curious how we rank these DBs. Would love to see Chris Johnson at 20 instead of Hood

 

[cnuball21]

Well put. I expect CP will be looking more Kelvin Faulk type on the DL than Bain. I don't love that, but I think Faulk has a pretty high floor, so we're getting something day1, its just not very flashy.

I am very curious how we rank these DBs. Would love to see Chris Johnson at 20 instead of Hood

Yea the 2nd tier of CBs i basically what flavor of ice cream you like.

 

[rambo2]

- Caleb Downs / Jeremiah Love are my top 2 players in the class. I see ZERO bust potential and you can flip a coin on you have at 1.
- When it rains it pours...the Cowboys have 2 1st round picks and we end with a really poor class at the top and we likely just removed 2 more players from our board in Bain and McCoy.
- If the above is true I think honing in on the big 4 and locking in on a trade up is a horrible idea. We are not 1 player away and need more darts to help fix our defense. I would rather trade down.
- There is a possibility Bain is there at 12 and we pass on in him for "scheme fit." I have been vocal on him being overrated in this class but I think at 12 you turn the card in considering what else will be available.
- I am at the point where offense should be on the table in round 1. If someone like Love / Mauignoa are available there is a chance they are about 10 slots higher than who the Cowboys may be considering. I am the most anti RB in round person you will find but this class has us handcuffed.
- CP has talked about the importance of stoping the run and how if you can do it with your front 4/7 and keep your safeties back it significantly helps your secondary. Dont be surprised if we do something like Faulk / Allen in round 1. High floor players that may not be great value but are dogs against the run and are safe.

If they can get Downs at 6, they should do the trade up. That gives you a top player and they still have pick 39 to pick up another solid player.

 

[Aven8]

If they pass on Bain at 12 with Downs off the board it will be like passing on TJ Watt again for scheme fit. Just get good football players and build around them.

 

[cnuball21]

If they pass on Bain at 12 with Downs off the board it will be like passing on TJ Watt again for scheme fit. Just get good football players and build around them.

It would certainly be a very tough pill to swallow unless there are significant off the field concerns we are not aware of.

 

[Cowboyny]

- Caleb Downs / Jeremiah Love are my top 2 players in the class. I see ZERO bust potential and you can flip a coin on you have at 1.
- When it rains it pours...the Cowboys have 2 1st round picks and we end with a really poor class at the top and we likely just removed 2 more players from our board in Bain and McCoy.
- If the above is true I think honing in on the big 4 and locking in on a trade up is a horrible idea. We are not 1 player away and need more darts to help fix our defense. I would rather trade down.
- There is a possibility Bain is there at 12 and we pass on in him for "scheme fit." I have been vocal on him being overrated in this class but I think at 12 you turn the card in considering what else will be available.
- I am at the point where offense should be on the table in round 1. If someone like Love / Mauignoa are available there is a chance they are about 10 slots higher than who the Cowboys may be considering. I am the most anti RB in round person you will find but this class has us handcuffed.
- CP has talked about the importance of stoping the run and how if you can do it with your front 4/7 and keep your safeties back it significantly helps your secondary. Dont be surprised if we do something like Faulk / Allen in round 1. High floor sinceplayers that may not be great value but are dogs against the run and are safe.

-Since Downs is one of the safest prospects, I would consider a small trade up to land him if he comes in reach. Pick 93 would the most I would offer or maybe a swap of draft slots. Perhaps 9,30 and a day 3 pick for 12 and 20.
-Bain might not be the ideal fit, along with the physical traits you look for, but he is still a top 3 pass rusher in this class. At 12, you take him and adjust the defense around his skillset. Too good to pass for a lesser prospect.
-Plan certainly looks like building a stout run defense and playing that shell coverage. CP's biggest thing will be about post snap disguise. To be able to run this scheme, he needs that hybrid nickel to act as another run defender due to that light box. Don't rule out either Scott or Stukes higher then we expect.

 

[Cowboyny]

That also would not surprise me one bit.

I see Hood as more or a #2 and 2nd round guy but he might be the best you get at 20 in this class.

I like what I have heard about his mental makeup. Apparently he was watching a ton of film at TN and his uncle was an NFL DB.

I have Hood as my #2 corner in the class, with Johnson #3, Delane behind both.

 

[cnuball21]

I have Hood as my #2 corner in the class, with Johnson #3, Delane behind both.

Delane 4? Interesting...

 

[jazzcat22]

If they can get Downs at 6, they should do the trade up. That gives you a top player and they still have pick 39 to pick up another solid player

You keep pushing this. So what happens when this does not happen. Will you support a trade down at 12 and at 20, and they end up with 5 solid players in the top 96.

 

[jazzcat22]

- Caleb Downs / Jeremiah Love are my top 2 players in the class. I see ZERO bust potential and you can flip a coin on you have at 1.
- When it rains it pours...the Cowboys have 2 1st round picks and we end with a really poor class at the top and we likely just removed 2 more players from our board in Bain and McCoy.
- If the above is true I think honing in on the big 4 and locking in on a trade up is a horrible idea. We are not 1 player away and need more darts to help fix our defense. I would rather trade down.
- There is a possibility Bain is there at 12 and we pass on in him for "scheme fit." I have been vocal on him being overrated in this class but I think at 12 you turn the card in considering what else will be available.

I have been out on both McCoy and Bain.
I know some say McCoy is a year removed from his injury. But it contradicts some saying don't draft players with injury history, but yet they want him.
I think Bain has bust written all over him.

- I am at the point where offense should be on the table in round 1. If someone like Love / Mauignoa are available there is a chance they are about 10 slots higher than who the Cowboys may be considering. I am the most anti RB in round person you will find but this class has us handcuffed.
- CP has talked about the importance of stoping the run and how if you can do it with your front 4/7 and keep your safeties back it significantly helps your secondary. Dont be surprised if we do something like Faulk / Allen in round 1. High floor players that may not be great value but are dogs against the run and are safe.

If Love is there at 12. I can see a trade down, a nd getting a decent haul of draft picks. Including a high 2027 pick. Maybe not a 1st rounder, but a 2nd or 3rd thrown in. Swap 1st round picks, and get a 2nd round pick, and a 2027 pick.
They like Williams and just extended him 3 years. But he will be here 2 years for sure. So Love could be in play, if a trade is not worth what they want.

I don't know a lot about Faulk to take him at 12. Allen may be good at 20. Though some feel he can be gotten lower, so a trade down at 20.

 

[rambo2]

You keep pushing this. So what happens when this does not happen. Will you support a trade down at 12 and at 20, and they end up with 5 solid players in the top 96.

Yes, I would, but sure would be nice to have the best safety in the league for many years. No more being abused deep down the middle and excellent play maker all over the field.

 

[cnuball21]

I have been out on both McCoy and Bain.
I know some say McCoy is a year removed from his injury. But it contradicts some saying don't draft players with injury history, but yet they want him.
I think Bain has bust written all over him.

If Love is there at 12. I can see a trade down, a nd getting a decent haul of draft picks. Including a high 2027 pick. Maybe not a 1st rounder, but a 2nd or 3rd thrown in. Swap 1st round picks, and get a 2nd round pick, and a 2027 pick.
They like Williams and just extended him 3 years. But he will be here 2 years for sure. So Love could be in play, if a trade is not worth what they want.

I don't know a lot about Faulk to take him at 12. Allen may be good at 20. Though some feel he can be gotten lower, so a trade down at 20.

I would trade off of Love for a good deal but it would have to be this years picks.

 

[John813]

I am at the point where offense should be on the table in round 1. If someone like Love / Mauignoa are available there is a chance they are about 10 slots higher than who the Cowboys may be considering

I too would be on board with offense depending on how it fell. Would add Freeling to the list if he fell to us.
Let Guyton battle it out with him for LOT. Keeps Smith at guard-and probably happy.
If Guyton loses, can either cut bait or try him out at ROT for 27

 

[cnuball21]

I too would be on board with offense depending on how it fell. Would add Freeling to the list if he fell to us.
Let Guyton battle it out with him for LOT. Keeps Smith at guard-and probably happy.
If Guyton loses, can either cut bait or try him out at ROT for 27

That would be an incredible reach. Guyton was a better prospect.

I am only going offense is the play is ranked waaaaaaaay higher than the next defender.