4/6 Mock

[BlueNSilver88]

Titans go Tunsil at #1, followed with Cleveland taking Wentz at #2, then the Chargers pick Ramsey at #3.


At #4, the Cowboys get a call from the 49ers who are trying to trade up to select Goff. The Cowboys decide to trade down, and the deal is as following:

Dallas gives #4 and #67
SF gives #7 and #37


At #7, the Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliot (my preference - can go other directions). They would have picks #34 and #37 in the 2nd round.



Thoughts on this hypo trade down? They don't have to pick EE (but I would love it if they did), and upgrade a 3rd rounder into a high 2nd rounder.


This is going on the basis that the franchise either A) doesn't think Goff is worth the gamble as a franchise QB, and/or B) Jerry Jones is all in on Romo's window

 

[BlueNSilver88]

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=DAL

 

[gimmesix]

I don't see Dallas taking Elliott even if they traded down.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

I don't see Dallas taking Elliott even if they traded down.

Yeah, I mentioned it doesnt have to be EE, that's just my flavor. What do you think about the trade with SF though?


Edit: Maybe we could also squeeze a 4th rounder from them if they really want Goff.

 

[canters]

EE is a long shot since we have our starting two RBs on the roster now. Not saying I agree with this but I believe JJ is happy with DMac and Morris.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

EE is a long shot since we have our starting two RBs on the roster now. Not saying I agree with this but I believe JJ is happy with DMac and Morris.

It doesn't have to be EE

 

[DFWJC]

Yeah, regardless of whether it's EE or not, the actual trade values are viable. And the trade doesn't have Dallas getting unrealistic value like some others do. Legit...in fact, Dallas might even squeeze and extra 6th or 7th out of SF in your scenario.
I do keep hearing that love Ramsey. So if he goes to SD at 3, they really might be on the phones at that point.

Just curious why SF would want to trade ahead of Baltimore and Jacksonville for Goff. I guess maybe if they thought another team was also trying to get into our spot or one of the others.

 

[robjay04]

EE is a long shot since we have our starting two RBs on the roster now. Not saying I agree with this but I believe JJ is happy with DMac and Morris.

Maybe you are correct but Dallas had confirmed interest in both Matt Forte and Lamar Miller. Morris was 3rd on their wish list at best.

 

[DFWJC]

fwiw, Kiper just released a new mock today and pushed Elliott all the way up to Baltimore at 6. But he's a Ravens fan, so who knows how realistic it is.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

Yeah, regardless of whether it's EE or not, the actual trade values are viable. And the trade doesn't have Dallas getting unrealistic value like some others do. Legit...in fact, Dallas might even squeeze and extra 6th or 7th out of SF in your scenario.
I do keep hearing that love Ramsey. So if he goes to SD at 3, they really might be on the phones at that point.

Just curious why SF would want to trade ahead of Baltimore and Jacksonville for Goff. I guess maybe if they thought another team was also trying to get into our spot or one of the others.

Yeah, reasoning for their desire could be that they are in love with the local kid who is also a huge need for them, and are afraid of getting jumped ahead of for him after seeing Wentz go #2.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah, I mentioned it doesnt have to be EE, that's just my flavor. What do you think about the trade with SF though?


Edit: Maybe we could also squeeze a 4th rounder from them if they really want Goff.

I guess it's possible. If San Fran believes we're not going to take Goff, then I don't see much incentive for them to trade up because no one else before their pick is going to take him, either. However, if they believe Philly might jump in front of them for him, they might go for it.

Trading to 7 wouldn't be bad for us if we have at least four players rated the same when we're at 4. Considering that Bosa is rated by the majority of pundits as being one of the top players in the draft, I don't think Dallas should trade away from taking him ... if they rate him the same way.

If Dallas rates Bosa equal to players like Buckner, Elliot and Jack, then the trade would make sense.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

fwiw, Kiper just released a new mock today and pushed Elliott all the way up to Baltimore at 6. But he's a Ravens fan, so who knows how realistic it is.

Yeah my infatuation with EE is seeing that monster O-line go to work with a healthy Romo+Dez and a legitimate 'star' talent at RB...would be fun. Could be the recipe for returning to 2014 levels of clock control punishing offense...which would mean less strain on our 'weak' D

 

[BlueNSilver88]

I guess it's possible. If San Fran believes we're not going to take Goff, then I don't see much incentive for them to trade up because no one else before their pick is going to take him, either. However, if they believe Philly might jump in front of them for him, they might go for it.

Trading to 7 wouldn't be bad for us if we have at least four players rated the same when we're at 4. Considering that Bosa is rated by the majority of pundits as being one of the top players in the draft, I don't think Dallas should trade away from taking him ... if they rate him the same way.

If Dallas rates Bosa equal to players like Buckner, Elliot and Jack, then the trade would make sense.

I agree, just exploring some hypothetical scenarios haha

 

[Sydla]

I'd say no on that trade. If San Fran wants 4, they have to pay a premium. So no even swap on the value chart.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

I'd say no on that trade. If San Fran wants 4, they have to pay a premium. So no even swap on the value chart.

I agree, there could be more obtained possibly if they are enamored with Goff.

However, if Dallas doesn't like Goff, and does like the next 4 or so players about the same, getting an extra high 2nd rounder is quite nice (some solid players will be available early 2nd round IMO)

 

[RandyOh]

No ty to the trade. If they want Goff then they better be ready to give their 1st and 2nd for just Goff at the minimum. We hold the cards. Screw the trade chart when a potential franchise QB is being traded for.

 

[MikeT22]

I'd say no on that trade. If San Fran wants 4, they have to pay a premium. So no even swap on the value chart.

Exactly. I wouldn't move down and give up a 3rd just for their 2nd.

Trade down to #7 and receive SF's 2nd. Heck maybe make them throw in a 4th or 5th too. If they are moving up it's for a potential franchise QB. Lets see how much they want him.

 

[egn22]

Gotta pay for that QB. No even Stevens here. Grab the lube and get ready

 

[DFWJC]

I'd say no on that trade. If San Fran wants 4, they have to pay a premium. So no even swap on the value chart.

If everyone would just make fair trades--since we have zero evidence of Jerry ever getting more than value in recent history--it would, imo, make these mock draft trade scenarios more reasonable and believable.

I do think Dallas could have gotten a little more from his deal though...just not a ton.

 

[pancakeman]

If the Cowboys don't want the same QB as the 49ers would, what about this: instead of swapping with the 49ers, the Cowboys throw in a pick to sweeten the deal that the 49ers would make with the Chargers. For the incremental cost of a low pick, the Cowboys insure that their guy Ramsey is there at #4.

Has that ever happened before--a third-party team using picks to encourage a swap that benefits them?