4 cornerback base defense?

[Wood]

I agree but at the same time the only person that for the most part won't be out there would be Brodney Pool correct? You think this team is a Brodney Pool away from not getting "run over all day"?

Bingo!

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I don't mind him staying here. I think we should resign him to a modest, incentive laden deal.

If you could ever get him to agree to that, you should be our new GM, lol.

Ahmad Brooks got a 45 million dollar, 7.5 million a year deal this offseason. Spencer will get AT LEAST that next year.

 

[FLcowboy]

Its also probably why the Cowboys hold Anthony Spencer in such high regard since he's more of a run stopper than pass rusher.

If this "new" defensive scheme were to actually be run, can you imagine the hate for Spencer because he wasn't getting any sacks?

 

[Afigueroa22]

And how do you think Jenkins would feel about that? Probably not what every 1st Round Draft pick is looking for in their 1st FA contract.

I was referring to Spencer, not Jenkins.

 

[perrykemp]

Who needs corners and safeties? I say put 11 men on that defensive line.

/Did i get it right RS?

That's a favorite Madden tactic against my son who loves to run it a bit too much for my tastes.... field goal block team.

 

[ravidubey]

You'd never use a dime D as the base. Teams would run over you all day.

It would give you an advantage if you have the lead or are playing against a pass-heavy offense.

It would be a disadvantage against a great run blocking OL and/or dynamic running back.

It would expose your corners, usually the least physical players on defense, to more injuries.

Most OL's today are flawed in some respect, most running backs are not special, and frankly most offenses are pass-first-second-and-third, so I can understand the defense being used more often.

I'd only run the defense if I knew my 11 best playmakers were on the field and at least one of the corners was somewhat physical.

 

[ravidubey]

You'd never use a dime D as the base. Teams would run over you all day.

What team would run all day? Teams today are built completely around the QB.

A couple of teams are built for balance and none of them are run-first except maybe the Vikings or Titans.

Not saying I'm an advocate of running a 4-CB defense exclusively, but I'd sure as Hell run it very often if it's getting my best players on the field.

 

[AbeBeta]

What team would run all day? Teams today are built completely around the QB.

A couple of teams are built for balance and none of them are run-first except maybe the Vikings or Titans.

Not saying I'm an advocate of running a 4-CB defense exclusively, but I'd sure as Hell run it very often if it's getting my best players on the field.

If you put a 4 CB set out there over and over teams will run on you over and over. You are giving that team a matchup that is favorable to the run, they aren't going to throw because that is what they like to do. They will run until you show that you can stop it with 6 DBs out there (or five as some other poster suggested) - and I doubt very much that any NFL team can stop the run consistently with 6 DBs

 

[AbeBeta]

It would be a disadvantage against a great run blocking OL and/or dynamic running back.

It would be a disadvantage against an average run blocking OL and/or a mediocre running back.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I think what you will see as a base defense.
3 corners and an in the box safety. I also think this will become the new NFL trend and I think JJ ,JG and Ryan are trying to get ahead of the curve as the slot receiver is making a huge impact on todays NFL . TEs playing almost as a 3rd WR

 

[CCBoy]

It would be a disadvantage against an average run blocking OL and/or a mediocre running back.

There's such a thing as run blitzing as well....

 

[AbeBeta]

There's such a thing as run blitzing as well....

Seriously?

A 6DB defense is going to make it work by going to the run blitz?

That might work once or twice in a game, but if you put 6 DBs out there (or even 4 CBs and a SS) you will not be able to run defend. RBs will be bouncing off tackles all day

 

[Bluestang]

http://www.cowboyszone.com/2012/05/is-nickel-corner-new-safety.html

You guys are cracking me up here. No coordinator worth his salt will run a dime or nickel defense as a base defense. Just as AbeBeta has pointed out in his posts teams will run the ball on you all day everyday until you can stop it. If you run blitz with more than 4 guys, someone is going to be uncovered and the FS (Sensabaugh who is not even pictured) is going to have alot of ground to cover for a 2nd and 2.

The above picture is an example of Scandrick covering a TE in a 12 personnel in a close ace formation - also called snugs. (Both TEs are lined up outside the tackles in a flex position. Rob Ryan countered a base personnel formation with a nickel defense because Travis Beckham is 6.3 234 lb TE who rarely blocks when he is in the formation or catches a pass for that matter. (4yrs/26 rec/264 yds/3 TDs)

Scandrick has covered TEs numerous times in these situations and the media has somehow translated that he nows plays safety as well when in fact he is just a slot corner doing what a slot corner does best and that is cover the slot receiver. Ian Rapoport did a real nice hackjob with his article and as Parcells would say "you guys got sucked".

Dallas is holding onto Jenkins for depth or unless a team gets really desperate and wants to part with a 2nd or 1st rd pick.

 

[johnny utah]

Seriously?

A 6DB defense is going to make it work by going to the run blitz?

That might work once or twice in a game, but if you put 6 DBs out there (or even 4 CBs and a SS) you will not be able to run defend. RBs will be bouncing off tackles all day

I see what your saying. But other than the eagles (mccoy) the rest of the teams in the nfc East can't run the ball. Not just the nfc east, but what teams in the entire NFC can really run the ball? (vikings) The possibilities with our cb's excites me. I'm excited about possible multiple cb's as our base d. Hell, we all know nothing else has worked on d.

 

[RastaRocket]

As long as the defense can still contain the run, I'm all for it.

Only team we really have to worry about is the Eagles with McCoy. I'm sure it will change based on team. But a 4 CB base defense against teams like the Packers, Saints, Giants, etc... could be nice.

 

[CCBoy]

Seriously?

A 6DB defense is going to make it work by going to the run blitz?

That might work once or twice in a game, but if you put 6 DBs out there (or even 4 CBs and a SS) you will not be able to run defend. RBs will be bouncing off tackles all day

If they are rock stupid...yea. But increase the numbers at the line of scrimage to five and six players and the ball carrier will be stopped. Period.

Oh, and nice try on a six DB setting on first down...that started out four IQ points below sedimentary rock. Simply stated, unless one of the four corners was very good on tight ends, there would have been an additional safety for coverage of the tight end and play action vulnerability as well.

Bragging smart doesn't cover the bull being hyped.

 

[CCBoy]

Only team we really have to worry about is the Eagles with McCoy. I'm sure it will change based on team. But a 4 CB base defense against teams like the Packers, Saints, Giants, etc... could be nice.

Without doubt...and there are always tendencies that a Defensive Coordinator takes into consideration on his own patterns and package uses. That goes without question. I like the strength and potentials. To be realistic, the base use of the four fine corners, would be for depth and rotation. Everyone on the field taking full turns through a game's development. But in many circumstances, three and even four would serve a useful purpose. Even moreso, if one of the four corners is additionally very strong with a tight end type of a receiver. Then he could sell substitute for a safety in coverage.

Sensabaugh has good vertical leaping ability, so he already is strong against the tight ends. And with both Sean Lee and Carter in the middle, coverage isn't that hard to adjust with an additional corner or two.

 

[CCBoy]

http://www.cowboyszone.com/2012/05/is-nickel-corner-new-safety.html

You guys are cracking me up here. No coordinator worth his salt will run a dime or nickel defense as a base defense. Just as AbeBeta has pointed out in his posts teams will run the ball on you all day everyday until you can stop it. If you run blitz with more than 4 guys, someone is going to be uncovered and the FS (Sensabaugh who is not even pictured) is going to have alot of ground to cover for a 2nd and 2.

The above picture is an example of Scandrick covering a TE in a 12 personnel in a close ace formation - also called snugs. (Both TEs are lined up outside the tackles in a flex position. Rob Ryan countered a base personnel formation with a nickel defense because Travis Beckham is 6.3 234 lb TE who rarely blocks when he is in the formation or catches a pass for that matter. (4yrs/26 rec/264 yds/3 TDs)

Scandrick has covered TEs numerous times in these situations and the media has somehow translated that he nows plays safety as well when in fact he is just a slot corner doing what a slot corner does best and that is cover the slot receiver. Ian Rapoport did a real nice hackjob with his article and as Parcells would say "you guys got sucked".

Dallas is holding onto Jenkins for depth or unless a team gets really desperate and wants to part with a 2nd or 1st rd pick.

No coordinator worth his salt runs ANY set more than 50-60% of the snaps in a game, except in rare circumstances anyway.

 

[RastaRocket]

Without doubt...and there are always tendencies that a Defensive Coordinator takes into consideration on his own patterns and package uses. That goes without question. I like the strength and potentials. To be realistic, the base use of the four fine corners, would be for depth and rotation. Everyone on the field taking full turns through a game's development. But in many circumstances, three and even four would serve a useful purpose. Even moreso, if one of the four corners is additionally very strong with a tight end type of a receiver. Then he could sell substitute for a safety in coverage.

Sensabaugh has good vertical leaping ability, so he already is strong against the tight ends. And with both Sean Lee and Carter in the middle, coverage isn't that hard to adjust with an additional corner or two.

I'm hoping Carr can take on those big receivers. He is a big corner himselft, that could help a lot. But having Claiborne, Carr, and Jenkins out there has so much potential.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm hoping Carr can take on those big receivers. He is a big corner himselft, that could help a lot. But having Claiborne, Carr, and Jenkins out there has so much potential.

This group in this year's secondary has this old school Cowboy fan slobering and ecstatic in anticipation now.