4 Elite Talents that could drop to 28

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Reuben Foster | LB | Alabama

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While Foster's stock has been rumored to be slipping due to concerns of his network and personal circle outside of football, as well as some maturity issues, it would still be a major shock if he was still on the board at 28. However, these red flags combined with the devaluation of off-the-ball LBs could be enough to see him tumble. Foster is one of the best football players in this draft and while LB may not be at the top of this team's needs list, his value is simply too great to pass on. Violent hitter who can ignite the defense, he's the type of leader you want roaming the middle of the field. The team has stated Jaylon could play any of the three LB spots and by drafting Foster to play the Mike it would allow Jaylon to move back outside to his natural position where he's freed up as an edge/OLB.



Jabrill Peppers | SS | Michigan


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Peppers is another top caliber talent who's draft stock is a bit of a mystery. Some draftniks maintain he's one of the top 10 players in this class and should be drafted accordingly, while others claim he's too much of a tweener and doesn't have a natural position in an NFL defense. His lack of production and forced turnovers also has raised some red flags. However, after going back and re-evaluating Peppers, I've come to the conclusion that Michigan just didn't put him in the position to rack up big time numbers. He was used as a Sam LB who was asked to set the edge and funnel action back inside. I have no doubts about Peppers' athletic ability to play SS here, and I love the passion he plays with. He's a RKG who is all about football and has been a superstar his entire career... I see no reason why he can't continue that at the next level. Reminds me in many ways of Brian Dawkins.



Malik McDowell | DT | Michigan State


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In terms of physical talent, McDowell is the closest rival to Myles Garrett in this front 7 class. All of 6'6" 295lbs with long arms, McDowell is cut from the same cloth as former players like John Henderson, Kevin Williams and Richard Seymour. You saw McDowell absolutely dominate games throughout his career, as he slid all up and down MSU's line. While some projected him as a LE with the ability to kick inside on passing downs, his rare power, quickness, bend and leverage for his height would make him a nightmare as the 3-Tech within our defense, especially under a coach like Marinelli who has a track record of getting the most out of his lineman. Make no mistake about it the 3T is the most important position in this scheme and, while Collins flashed the ability to make some plays from the spot last year, McDowell has the potential to become a perennial All-Pro. If there is a War Daddy within our reach, this is the guy.



Derek Barnett | DE | Tennessee


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The most productive DE in college football over the past 3 seasons, Barnett broke a 30 year old record in career sacks previously set by the great Reggie White. While the production to tough to argue against, scouts are concerned that Barnett doesn't possess the athletic traits necessary to ever be a dominant rusher. A below average combine furthered these concerns and there is talk that the SEC defensive player of the year could slip well into the 20s. While these are legitimate concerns, I believe Barnett's game translates well to the NFL. Just a year ago Joey Bosa was similarly critiqued after dominating the sport as a freshman and sophmore. The important similarities between Bosa and Barnett are that they are advanced technicians with their hands and land heavy blows, and are relentless in their desire to get to the Quarterback... which for some reason always gets devalued by draftniks. I think there's a significant drop-off between Barnett and the next tier of edge rushers and would jump at the chance to add him.​
 

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Would take in order - Barnett, Peppers, McDowell then Foster.
Barnett is a no-brainer if there.
Peppers if there has been a run on all the top CBs And DEs.
McDowell same as Peppers, and for some reason he runs hot and cold. But the talent is there - i could get on board.
Foster, also kind of a war daddy. Only way hes the pick is if they know Smith is not ready to play.....
 

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Dont see it with Foster dropping that far. Barnett could be there and I'd take him. Dont know they would take McDowell. I am leery about Peppers. Think it comes down to McKinley, Barnett, Harris and Watt.
 

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I don't see Foster dropping. I'm predicting Jonathan Allen could drop into the late teens because of his chronic shoulder issues.
 

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Peppers at 28 would not be dropping, imo.
I'd take him though.
Obviously Barnett too.

Foster "dropping" means Foster in the 10-15 range
 

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Dont see it with Foster dropping that far. Barnett could be there and I'd take him. Dont know they would take McDowell. I am leery about Peppers. Think it comes down to McKinley, Barnett, Harris and Watt.
Agree. There is no way Foster drops to us. He wouldn't even get by the Giants. If Barnett is there which I highly doubt also, then I would jump at the chance to take him.
 

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Reuben Foster | LB | Alabama

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While Foster's stock has been rumored to be slipping due to concerns of his network and personal circle outside of football, as well as some maturity issues, it would still be a major shock if he was still on the board at 28. However, these red flags combined with the devaluation of off-the-ball LBs could be enough to see him tumble. Foster is one of the best football players in this draft and while LB may not be at the top of this team's needs list, his value is simply too great to pass on. Violent hitter who can ignite the defense, he's the type of leader you want roaming the middle of the field. The team has stated Jaylon could play any of the three LB spots and by drafting Foster to play the Mike it would allow Jaylon to move back outside to his natural position where he's freed up as an edge/OLB.



Jabrill Peppers | SS | Michigan


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Peppers is another top caliber talent who's draft stock is a bit of a mystery. Some draftniks maintain he's one of the top 10 players in this class and should be drafted accordingly, while others claim he's too much of a tweener and doesn't have a natural position in an NFL defense. His lack of production and forced turnovers also has raised some red flags. However, after going back and re-evaluating Peppers, I've come to the conclusion that Michigan just didn't put him in the position to rack up big time numbers. He was used as a Sam LB who was asked to set the edge and funnel action back inside. I have no doubts about Peppers' athletic ability to play SS here, and I love the passion he plays with. He's a RKG who is all about football and has been a superstar his entire career... I see no reason why he can't continue that at the next level. Reminds me in many ways of Brian Dawkins.



Malik McDowell | DT | Michigan State


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In terms of physical talent, McDowell is the closest rival to Myles Garrett in this front 7 class. All of 6'6" 295lbs with long arms, McDowell is cut from the same cloth as former players like John Henderson, Kevin Williams and Richard Seymour. You saw McDowell absolutely dominate games throughout his career, as he slid all up and down MSU's line. While some projected him as a LE with the ability to kick inside on passing downs, his rare power, quickness, bend and leverage for his height would make him a nightmare as the 3-Tech within our defense, especially under a coach like Marinelli who has a track record of getting the most out of his lineman. Make no mistake about it the 3T is the most important position in this scheme and, while Collins flashed the ability to make some plays from the spot last year, McDowell has the potential to become a perennial All-Pro. If there is a War Daddy within our reach, this is the guy.



Derek Barnett | DE | Tennessee


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The most productive DE in college football over the past 3 seasons, Barnett broke a 30 year old record in career sacks previously set by the great Reggie White. While the production to tough to argue against, scouts are concerned that Barnett doesn't possess the athletic traits necessary to ever be a dominant rusher. A below average combine furthered these concerns and there is talk that the SEC defensive player of the year could slip well into the 20s. While these are legitimate concerns, I believe Barnett's game translates well to the NFL. Just a year ago Joey Bosa was similarly critiqued after dominating the sport as a freshman and sophmore. The important similarities between Bosa and Barnett are that they are advanced technicians with their hands and land heavy blows, and are relentless in their desire to get to the Quarterback... which for some reason always gets devalued by draftniks. I think there's a significant drop-off between Barnett and the next tier of edge rushers and would jump at the chance to add him.​
While Foster's stock has been rumored to be slipping due to concerns of his network and personal circle outside of football, as well as some maturity issues, it would still be a major shock if he was still on the board at 28. However, these red flags combined with the devaluation of off-the-ball LBs could be enough to see him tumble. Foster is one of the best football players in this draft and while LB may not be at the top of this team's needs list, his value is simply too great to pass on. Violent hitter who can ignite the defense, he's the type of leader you want roaming the middle of the field. The team has stated Jaylon could play any of the three LB spots and by drafting Foster to play the Mike it would allow Jaylon to move back outside to his natural position where he's freed up as an edge/OLB.

They only play 3 LBs on about 16% of the defensive snaps. Jaylon would need to play DE in the Nickel defense, or 1 of the 3 is on the bench most of the game.

I'm all for BPA, but it would be hard to pick a LB in the 1st if Jaylon is really going to play.
 

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While Foster's stock has been rumored to be slipping due to concerns of his network and personal circle outside of football, as well as some maturity issues, it would still be a major shock if he was still on the board at 28. However, these red flags combined with the devaluation of off-the-ball LBs could be enough to see him tumble. Foster is one of the best football players in this draft and while LB may not be at the top of this team's needs list, his value is simply too great to pass on. Violent hitter who can ignite the defense, he's the type of leader you want roaming the middle of the field. The team has stated Jaylon could play any of the three LB spots and by drafting Foster to play the Mike it would allow Jaylon to move back outside to his natural position where he's freed up as an edge/OLB.

They only play 3 LBs on about 16% of the defensive snaps. Jaylon would need to play DE in the Nickel defense, or 1 of the 3 is on the bench most of the game.

I'm all for BPA, but it would be hard to pick a LB in the 1st if Jaylon is really going to play.

You have to consider LB has not been a strength of this team outside of Lee and that definitely plays into how often they play with 2 vs 3. Like you said, Jaylon can rush the passer... but he can also cover TEs and Backs probably better than the safeties we've had on our roster over the years... just because he's a LB doesn't mean he's coming off the field... he is easily one of the top 11 for all nickel packages.
 

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Other elite talents that could drop to us are some of the top WRs like Corey Davis or Ross
 

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You have to consider LB has not been a strength of this team outside of Lee and that definitely plays into how often they play with 2 vs 3. Like you said, Jaylon can rush the passer... but he can also cover TEs and Backs probably better than the safeties we've had on our roster over the years... just because he's a LB doesn't mean he's coming off the field... he is easily one of the top 11 for all nickel packages.

If they are in Nickel, that usually means the offense has 3 WRs in the game.

I agree that Jaylon Smith (pre-injury) projected to be an elite coverage LB; however, they're still not going to go with 3 LBs against 3 WRs very often. Even adjusting for the better talent, the 3rd LB would still only be on the field maybe 25% of the defensive snaps.

Again, I'm in favor of BPA. If Foster is the overwhelming BPA, then do it; however, I think they'll have a hard time doing it if there are DEs or CBs available that are anywhere close to Foster on their draft board.
 

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If they are in Nickel, that usually means the offense has 3 WRs in the game.

I agree that Jaylon Smith (pre-injury) projected to be an elite coverage LB; however, they're still not going to go with 3 LBs against 3 WRs very often. Even adjusting for the better talent, the 3rd LB would still only be on the field maybe 25% of the defensive snaps.

Again, I'm in favor of BPA. If Foster is the overwhelming BPA, then do it; however, I think they'll have a hard time doing it if there are DEs or CBs available that are anywhere close to Foster on their draft board.

They could also choose to take a lineman off the field and play with 3 down, where Jaylon could be that leo rusher... but either way I don't think it's as big of a problem and you can certainly find ways to maximize their snaps
 

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I hope Barnett drops to Dallas when they pick.

And I hope McDowell drops late in the second round.
I hope so too but if they are in love with Barnett, they're going to have to move up and I am not a fan of that this particular year. If anything, I'd rather move back for MORE picks, not less. Love Barnett, but not enough to move up for any picks THIS year.
 

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I'm a fan of peppers but we have to take Barnett and McDowell if they are there.

Foster... I think has the least chance of being there of those four, we are solid at LB and need help in the secondary and all over the DL but... I do like the sound of Lee, Foster, Smith
 

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Any one of those elite talents arrive at 28 and I'm skyrocket.
This is a jaw dropping group of four.
This is going to be a fun,fun draft
 

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Peppers isn't an elite talent. Him dropping to 28 is expected.
Foster and Barnett aren't getting in smelling distance to 28.
 

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with our current DTs (dline), would we rather have McDowell or Foster?
i think i would take Foster. we arent sure about Jaylen and we could move LBs around, keep them rested, etc.
 
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