40 Years of Bad Teams with Top 10 QB

[Maxmadden]

Defensively, injuries have had an obvious effect. Offensively, we've always needed to run the ball better, and now with the improved OL it's clear we also need to run it more often as well.

I think that post you quoted confirms that without Romo the defense would have been worse, and also that even an average defense makes Romo better.

Noting that there is another thread about GB and NO and the defenses they put on the field and being an offensive juggernaut.

What do you think the correlation is between running the ball more to protect the defense as opposed to putting points on the board to protect the defense?

My theory is that putting points on the board (regardless of the time it takes) is more beneficial to the defense than running the clock with the running game. Doesn't putting any points on the board tilt the odds in favor of your defense?

I understand the importance of being able to run the ball, especially with a lead. I believe it is more about execution whether you run or pass because they both allow you to do the other.

I guess that what I am really asking is it more important to control the clock or actually put up points? Is there a definitive correlation between the two?

 

[Maxmadden]

Noting that there is another thread about GB and NO and the defenses they put on the field and being an offensive juggernaut.

What do you think the correlation is between running the ball more to protect the defense as opposed to putting points on the board to protect the defense?

My theory is that putting points on the board (regardless of the time it takes) is more beneficial to the defense than running the clock with the running game. Doesn't putting any points on the board tilt the odds in favor of your defense?

I understand the importance of being able to run the ball, especially with a lead. I believe it is more about execution whether you run or pass because they both allow you to do the other.

I guess that what I am really asking is it more important to control the clock or actually put up points? Is there a definitive correlation between the two?

Not asking you to do the research, just thought you might have already formed a opinion based on you past research. Didn't mean to Google you.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

I agree that Romo hasn't had the supporting cast he needs to make a playoff run.

BUT the NFL has completely transformed in the past 15-20 years. A solid passing attack is more important than ever. Teams around the NFL are abandoning the prototypical smash mouth running scheme for short passes and screens. QB stats are more inflated then ever because of the new NFL rules, and I assume a QB in the top 10 (TD's/rating) today holds a lot more weight with the projection of the teams win/losses than it did 20+ years ago when you NEEDED a run game to win. Of the 17 teams listed only 5 teams have played in the last 18 years.

Good job on the statistics though, very well done.
It's hard to compare the game 44 years ago to now, but I do recognize a pattern considering everything being equal

 

[JPostSam]

Marino and Romo are the only QB to have played on this kind of team more than once.

another great post, so, thank you.

the marino comparison is interesting. he couldn't win the big one, either, and his defenses and running games were often terrible. everyone falls back on his stats, but they were often empty. going to a super bowl right away and being a heralded prospect had a halo effect for marino.

 

[Clove]

I'm betting Denver isn't sitting around their forums coming up with stats to prove Manning is good. When you're good, you win.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I'm betting Denver isn't sitting around their forums coming up with stats to prove Manning is good. When you're good, you win.

I bet the Saints and Patriot fans aren't either. My father is a Raven fan and he isn't even doing this with Joe Flacco.

 

[CCBoy]

With Romo having a little more time than the norm for the past five seasons, this fan is looking forward to this Dallas offense being unleashed upon some NFC East teams!

 

[burmafrd]

another great post, so, thank you.

the marino comparison is interesting. he couldn't win the big one, either, and his defenses and running games were often terrible. everyone falls back on his stats, but they were often empty. going to a super bowl right away and being a heralded prospect had a halo effect for marino.

Romo will go down exactly the same way Marino did. Top QB on a team that never was able to put it all together.

 

[percyhoward]

Noting that there is another thread about GB and NO and the defenses they put on the field and being an offensive juggernaut.

What do you think the correlation is between running the ball more to protect the defense as opposed to putting points on the board to protect the defense?

My theory is that putting points on the board (regardless of the time it takes) is more beneficial to the defense than running the clock with the running game. Doesn't putting any points on the board tilt the odds in favor of your defense?

I understand the importance of being able to run the ball, especially with a lead. I believe it is more about execution whether you run or pass because they both allow you to do the other.

I guess that what I am really asking is it more important to control the clock or actually put up points? Is there a definitive correlation between the two?

TOP per drive has a significantly lower correlation than points per drive; people generally overrate the importance of TOP. But it's not black and white. Teams with an edge in both TOP and PPD over a season still win more games.

While there is more of a premium on having an effective QB in recent years, that's offset by the increased importance of pass defense. I think the reason we see fewer of these kinds of seasons is that quick turnarounds are much more common now, beginning with Vermeil's Rams.

The Cowboys being the inevitable exception, of course.

 

[percyhoward]

I agree that Romo hasn't had the supporting cast he needs to make a playoff run.

BUT the NFL has completely transformed in the past 15-20 years... I assume a QB in the top 10 (TD's/rating) today holds a lot more weight with the projection of the teams win/losses than it did 20+ years ago.

The importance of pass defense, then, must increase in direct proportion.

 

[dstovall5]

Now batting clean up, Percy Howard....

And it's outta here, another Grand Slam! His 9999999h of the year.

 

[percyhoward]

When you're good, you win.

You're saying that, when Montana, Kelly, Brees, and Marino (3 times) had top 10 seasons on bad teams, they weren't good players.

Explain how that works.

 

[JPostSam]

Romo will go down exactly the same way Marino did. Top QB on a team that never was able to put it all together.

i don't think so, for the reason i mentioned: marino was a golden boy who went to the super bowl in his second season. thereafter, every win was attributed to him while every loss was not his fault. romo, on the other hand, was the guy who was lucky to be allowed to participate in practice, and who bobbled the snap in seattle. everything's his fault.

 

[percyhoward]

I'm betting Denver isn't sitting around their forums coming up with stats to prove Manning is good.

I bet the Saints and Patriot fans aren't either.

I'm betting these are attempts to shift the attention away from the message and onto the messenger.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I'm betting these are attempts to shift the attention away from the message and onto the messenger.

No, it's just a fact. The only reason to have these threads is to try to convince other fans that Romo is clutch. If he was clutch, you wouldn't need it. I don't remember anyone bringing up Aikman's stats because nobody cared. Romo is a good QB but nothing more. Some fans don't trust him in big games and until he steps up in those games, nothing will change. Certainly nothing posted here.

 

[burmafrd]

No, it's just a fact. The only reason to have these threads is to try to convince other fans that Romo is clutch. If he was clutch, you wouldn't need it. I don't remember anyone bringing up Aikman's stats because nobody cared. Romo is a good QB but nothing more. Some fans don't trust him in big games and until he steps up in those games, nothing will change. Certainly nothing posted here.

yawn. same tired old rant.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

yawn. same tired old rant.

Yep and same tired old response.

 

[percyhoward]

No, it's just a fact. The only reason to have these threads is to try to convince other fans that Romo is clutch. If he was clutch, you wouldn't need it. I don't remember anyone bringing up Aikman's stats because nobody cared. Romo is a good QB but nothing more. Some fans don't trust him in big games and until he steps up in those games, nothing will change. Certainly nothing posted here.

Again, you 'd rather focus on the motivation of the poster than the content of the post itself.

 

[TheDude]

The defense took a hit with the scheme change and I don't for a second believe that was the brainchild of Jason Garrett.

It sounds like you have a problem with the personnel decisions on this team and have no clue who is responsible for it.

Honest question.

I think this was a Garrett decision as explaining away bad defenses in 2011 and 2012. I just don't see Jerry having a strong "philosophy" nor breakdown failure to that.

What makes you think it wasn't a Garret move? or at least >50% garrett drive?

 

[Idgit]

...If he was clutch, you wouldn't need it....

To believe this, you have to believe that unfair criticism does not exist. And it obviously does.