4th Quarter QB ratings 04-12..Guess who's #1

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Doesn't matter he's too fat. Also not a leader at all.....haven't you been paying attention??








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Arkyvarminter;5088115 said:
Two rings and he can get there...Maybe

Was the "maybe" a joke? If one of the highest rated QBs in the history of the game gets 2 rings, he is an absolute lock.
 

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These rankings could be tainted because the Cowboys are forced to play from behind the majority of the time and all they do is pass the ball lol
 

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BIGDen;5088135 said:
Was the "maybe" a joke? If one of the highest rated QBs in the history of the game gets 2 rings, he is an absolute lock.

It would be a lock. I was just thinking how the most criticized and labeled QB in the game could go from that to Canton...
 

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Well, he had the ideal situation.

Potential game winning drive with 3:00 to take the division and win a playoff game. He threw a pick on a dumpoff pass.
 

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4th Quarter QB ratings for last 4 games of the season, 04-12. Guess who's #1*?

Aaron Rodgers - 119.1
Phillip Rivers - 108.6
Peyton Manning - 100.0
Kurt Warner - 97.5
Tom Brady - 96.8
Tarvaris Jackson - 95.4
Matt Ryan - 95.2
Tony Romo - 93.6
Carson Palmer - 90.9
Drew Brees - 90.7


*minimum 30 games started


Biggest 4th quarter QB rating differential between first 12 games of the season and last 4 games of the season, 04-12.*:

Aaron Rodgers - +23.0
Phillip Rivers - +24.2
Carson Palmer - +14.1
Tarvaris Jackson - +12.1
Matt Ryan - +12.0
Kurt Warner - +10.7
Tom Brady - +1.4
Peyton Manning - +1.2
Drew Brees - +.7

Tony Romo - -11.4


*minimum 30 games started


Every QB on that list either stayed consistent or got better--sometimes drastically better--in the 4th quarter when the games started to mean more. Except Romo.
 

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Califan007;5088208 said:
4th Quarter QB ratings for last 4 games of the season, 04-12. Guess who's #1*?

Aaron Rodgers - 119.1
Phillip Rivers - 108.6
Peyton Manning - 100.0
Kurt Warner - 97.5
Tom Brady - 96.8
Tarvaris Jackson - 95.4
Matt Ryan - 95.2
Tony Romo - 93.6
Carson Palmer - 90.9
Drew Brees - 90.7


*minimum 30 games started


Biggest 4th quarter QB rating differential between first 12 games of the season and last 4 games of the season, 04-12.*:

Aaron Rodgers - +23.0
Phillip Rivers - +24.2
Carson Palmer - +14.1
Tarvaris Jackson - +12.1
Matt Ryan - +12.0
Kurt Warner - +10.7
Tom Brady - +1.4
Peyton Manning - +1.2
Drew Brees - +.7

Tony Romo - -11.4


*minimum 30 games started


Every QB on that list either stayed consistent or got better--sometimes drastically better--in the 4th quarter when the games started to mean more. Except Romo.

You know, I can't count the number of times I've watched Romo play and have said to myself "God, I wish Romo would channel his inner Tarvaris Jackson and be clutch."
 

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Vintage;5088230 said:
You know, I can't count the number of times I've watched Romo play and have said to myself "God, I wish Romo would channel his inner Tarvaris Jackson and be clutch."
What's scary is that you can say that and it be factually correct lol...
 

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Califan007;5088234 said:
What's scary is that you can say that and it be factually correct lol...

If only Drew Brees could be as clutch as Tarvaris, too.

Heck, he has some work to do to catch up to Romo in your list as well.

What a scrub.
 

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Vintage;5088236 said:
If only Drew Brees could be as clutch as Tarvaris, too.

Heck, he has some work to do to catch up to Romo in your list as well.

What a scrub.
Actually, you're right...it's beyond stupid to use 4th quarter QB ratings to determine a QB's clutchness.
 

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Califan007;5088208 said:
4th Quarter QB ratings for last 4 games of the season, 04-12. Guess who's #1*?

Aaron Rodgers - 119.1
Phillip Rivers - 108.6
Peyton Manning - 100.0
Kurt Warner - 97.5
Tom Brady - 96.8
Tarvaris Jackson - 95.4
Matt Ryan - 95.2
Tony Romo - 93.6
Carson Palmer - 90.9
Drew Brees - 90.7


*minimum 30 games started


Biggest 4th quarter QB rating differential between first 12 games of the season and last 4 games of the season, 04-12.*:

Aaron Rodgers - +23.0
Phillip Rivers - +24.2
Carson Palmer - +14.1
Tarvaris Jackson - +12.1
Matt Ryan - +12.0
Kurt Warner - +10.7
Tom Brady - +1.4
Peyton Manning - +1.2
Drew Brees - +.7

Tony Romo - -11.4

*minimum 30 games started

Every QB on that list either stayed consistent or got better--sometimes drastically better--in the 4th quarter when the games started to mean more. Except Romo.

Not sure how much this data means, but the differential data is interesting. The rating data is still positive for Tony.

Romo didn't start in Dallas until 2006, though, and finished the year with a broken finger on his throwing hand in 2008 (67.8 QBR in Dec that year) and missed the end of 2010 with a broken clavicle, with both narrows the sample and could explain some of the efficiency drop off later in the year.

Do you have a source for your data, though? Does it offer more detail, or is it just the data for these 10 guys in the aggregate? Any way to adjust it for who the teams played, by any chance?

I imagine the rough run at the end of 2006 and 2007 was what actually does Tony in in this comparison with other top-10 players, because both of those seasons his Dec numbers nosedived, which is the primary reason he got that rap early for not finishing. Which is bunk, btw, since he's gone on to finish with a Dec rating over 100 each of the last three years he's played.
 

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Idgit;5088247 said:
Not sure how much this data means, but the differential data is interesting. The rating data is still positive for Tony.

Romo didn't start in Dallas until 2006, though, and finished the year with a broken finger on his throwing hand in 2008 (67.8 QBR in Dec that year) and missed the end of 2010 with a broken clavicle, with both narrows the sample and could explain some of the efficiency drop off later in the year.

Do you have a source for your data, though? Does it offer more detail, or is it just the data for these 10 guys in the aggregate? Any way to adjust it for who the teams played, by any chance?

I imagine the rough run at the end of 2006 and 2007 was what actually does Tony in in this comparison with other top-10 players, because both of those seasons his Dec numbers nosedived, which is the primary reason he got that rap early for not finishing. Which is bunk, btw, since he's gone on to finish with a Dec rating over 100 each of the last three years he's played.

Wasn't all that great in 2008 either, IIRC. But the fact that he has a decline like that in the final month, and still has the highest combined rating for the time period, shows some perspective. If he had been average/decent for much of the year, and then played poorly the last month, that's diiferent than being lights out for much of the year, and then just not being as good during December.

But yeah, I'd like to see those numbers run from 2009-12. I'd bet the comparison would be much different, because those Decembers were alot better.
 

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CyberB0b;5088152 said:
Well, he had the ideal situation.

Potential game winning drive with 3:00 to take the division and win a playoff game. He threw a pick on a dumpoff pass.

So, by the numbers it looks like that was a massive exception. Yet, somehow the very worst fans make that out to be an every week occurrence .
Oh well
 

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Vintage;5088230 said:
You know, I can't count the number of times I've watched Romo play and have said to myself "God, I wish Romo would channel his inner Tarvaris Jackson and be clutch."
Exactly
Look at the last two seasons and get back to us.
 

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Califan007;5088208 said:
4th Quarter QB ratings for last 4 games of the season, 04-12. Guess who's #1*?

Aaron Rodgers - 119.1
Phillip Rivers - 108.6
Peyton Manning - 100.0
Kurt Warner - 97.5
Tom Brady - 96.8
Tarvaris Jackson - 95.4
Matt Ryan - 95.2
Tony Romo - 93.6
Carson Palmer - 90.9
Drew Brees - 90.7


*minimum 30 games started


Biggest 4th quarter QB rating differential between first 12 games of the season and last 4 games of the season, 04-12.*:

Aaron Rodgers - +23.0
Phillip Rivers - +24.2
Carson Palmer - +14.1
Tarvaris Jackson - +12.1
Matt Ryan - +12.0
Kurt Warner - +10.7
Tom Brady - +1.4
Peyton Manning - +1.2
Drew Brees - +.7

Tony Romo - -11.4


*minimum 30 games started


Every QB on that list either stayed consistent or got better--sometimes drastically better--in the 4th quarter when the games started to mean more. Except Romo.
Not sure where you got this,but check out the last two seasons and my guess is that his last 4 games each year have been outstanding.
 

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Idgit;5088247 said:
Not sure how much this data means, but the differential data is interesting. The rating data is still positive for Tony.
For me, I think it 'splains in part why Romo has the rep that he does in terms of clutch/choke and all that stuff like that there lol...he's top-o-the-charts in 4th quarter in Sep-Nov...then just merely "really good" in Dec-Jan (with the occasional "D'oh!" game thrown in lol). The other QBs up their game (or at least don't get worse). Relatively speaking, Romo looks worse than he did the rest of the year (although he's improved greatly late in the season recently) while pretty much all the other high profile QBs tend to look better.

At any rate, there's really no way you can determine a QB's "clutchness" by their 4th quarter QB rating. There's way too many aspects and variables that relate to clutchness that a QB rating can't possibly tell you.



Romo didn't start in Dallas until 2006, though, and finished the year with a broken finger on his throwing hand in 2008 (67.8 QBR in Dec that year) and missed the end of 2010 with a broken clavicle, with both narrows the sample and could explain some of the efficiency drop off later in the year.
I just started it in 2004 because the OP's stats started then. I wanted to cover the same time span.

2010 wouldn't effect Romo's rating, though, since he didn't play any games in December that year. In 2006-2008 Romo's 4th quarter stats in Dec-jan were pretty bad. I don't think 2009 and 2011 were good enough to overcome it. I don't like that Romo's getting noticeably better in Dec-Jan, but I do like that the team overall doesn't seem to be lol :D...long live Jerruh and Garrett!



Do you have a source for your data, though? Does it offer more detail, or is it just the data for these 10 guys in the aggregate? Any way to adjust it for who the teams played, by any chance?
Pro Football Reference website, you can finagle all sorts of criteria on there...I had to do a bunch of trial and error tests though to get the list of 4th Qtr QB ratings between 2004-2012.


I imagine the rough run at the end of 2006 and 2007 was what actually does Tony in in this comparison with other top-10 players, because both of those seasons his Dec numbers nosedived, which is the primary reason he got that rap early for not finishing. Which is bunk, btw, since he's gone on to finish with a Dec rating over 100 each of the last three years he's played.
Yep, pretty much agree with you here...
 
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