5 Reasons the Eagles will take a step back.

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jterrell said:
Truth is the Eags are still the best team in this division even with injuries.

McNabb is not a great QB but he is a very good and versatile one. He makes plays to keep drives going and that leads to points. Manning is a great QB but he is 1 dimensional. McNabb isnt which is a huge bonus if you play a team capable of beating your OL. McNabb can go 5 of 9 for 80 yards and lead the team to 2 TDs with his well timed scrambles and dump offs to backs and TE's.

Kearse is a china doll for sure. But the Eags have found ways to get pressure with sorry DL before. I see weaknesses in their offense and defense but they still have more strengths than any other NFCE team.

I wish nothing but failure on them but its hard to see reasons why they cant win 11 games at least.

No doubt - they are clearly the team to beat until someone proves otherwise. They have lost players - they have acquired players, but the bottom line is, they are the only team in the division with an established QB returning.

They are beatable, but they are IMO the team to beat in the division.
 

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Culpepper and hassleback are better.

I don't think Culperpper has been able to lead his team like McNabb has despite possessing a vastly superior offensive arsenal at his disposal.

Hasselbeck? This can't be a serious comparison, right? Arm strength, pocket presence, mobility, repeated success, and leadership are five reasons out of the box why McNabb is a better quarterback and football player. If Hasselbeck wasn't Holmgren's personal pet project, he'd have been out of Seattle long ago.
 

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I don't know about Hasselbeck. He has had one good season, but his career stats are still average for a pocket QB. He actually does have decent mobility (unlike Brady and P. Manning) but his rushing stats are good enough to be considered. He also has one of the best offensive lines in the league, with argueably the best at both positions on the left side of his line. A great HB, a very good FB and a very good wide receiving core doesn't hurt. Let me see him do it one more time.
 

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Unforgiven said:
I got tired of the 10's.

5 reasons the Eagles will probably take a step back this season:

1. McNabb is overrated.

I agree but he is at least adequate for a playoff run. Also if you had to chose would you take Testaverde or McNabb. And no you can't take Henson who is making a believer out of me. Here's his stats:

1999 Philadelphia Eagles 12 6 216 106 49.1 948 4.39 63 8 7 28/204 7 1 60.1
2000 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 569 330 58.0 3365 5.91 70 21 13 45/262 45 5 77.8
2001 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 493 285 57.8 3233 6.56 64 25 12 39/273 44 9 84.3
2002 Philadelphia Eagles 10 10 361 211 58.4 2289 6.34 59 17 6 28/166 27 3 86.0
2003 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 478 275 57.5 3216 6.73 59 16 11 43/253 44 9 79.6
TOTAL 70 64 2117 1207 57.0 13051 6.16 70 87 49 183/1158 167 27 79.3


RUSHING

Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
1999 Philadelphia Eagles 12 6 47 313 6.7 27 0 5 16
2000 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 86 629 7.3 54 6 6 31
2001 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 82 482 5.9 33 2 2 27
2002 Philadelphia Eagles 10 10 63 460 7.3 40 6 6 34
2003 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 71 355 5.0 34 3 3 26
TOTAL 70 64 349 2239 6.4 54 17 22 134


2. Owens will cause trouble.

He will cause trouble but how much and how much it affects Eagles I don't know. I suspect Reid will keep him on a shorter leash than he had in San Fran.

3. Kearse will get hurt. He already is. It will continue.

Agreed. Not a fact but likely will not be the force people think. At least I hope we're both right.

4. Loss of CB's.

I think Brown is more than capable. I don't know the other corner as well but at the least they have eaten into their depth. If we lose Newman it's trouble. Same for them. Both played last year at pretty high levels of play. So I've fuzzier on this one.

5. Now, no runningback.

Not as much here as last year that's for sure. And I've always been a Duce fan. They will miss him. In fact I suspect they already are.

Nice post.
 

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I have avoided this but because I woke up early, maybe I can show you the light.

1. McNabb is overrated. Ever since Limbaugh said he was overated, it seems like veryone is afraid to say anything negative about McNabb (except Aikman). Limbaugh was right about McNabb being overrated, but he had the wrong reason for it. It had nothing to do with color. That made no sense because McNair is black, and he is underrated. The reason McNabb is overrated is because he is a system QB. The fact that his two backups, Detmer, and Feeley, came into several games in 2002 and actually played at a higher level than McNabb, goes to show that he is a product of a good system. How is Feeley doing now in Miami? That's my point.

McNabb very well be overrated, I don't think so but you can't use this as a "reason the Eagles will take a step back" because he has been our QB for this entire run, and its not like this position has gotten weaker.

BTW: Feeley was 86 for 154 (55.8%), 1011 yards 6 TD and 5 int (75.4%).

The games he started we won because of JUST because of our defense and commitment to running the ball. SF was the best team we played and the only reason why we beat them was because they underestimated us. Seattle, Washington, St. Louis (with Warner), and Dallas were all terrible teams in 2002. We lost to the Giants.

2. Owens will cause trouble. He'll hold out as long as he can, but it won't take too long for him to get upset with McNabb. He complained about Garcia, wait until he plays a few games with McNabb. McNabb's accuracy is very suspect and will put Owens in situations he doesn't like. He will get nailed and the frustration will build. At some point, he will spout off and there will be hard feelings. The locker room will suffer and so will the Eagles.

He might cause trouble, when we first got him I thought he would eventually be a problem but the more I see of him and McNabb, the more I think that he has changed. He will never spout off at McNabb, if anyone it would be a coach.

3. Kearse will get hurt. He already is. It will continue. Everyone wants to talk about Testaverde getting hurt because he is 40. This is a prime example of the fact that age doesn't always matter. Kearse is made of glass and I am willing to bet Kearse misses more time than Vinny to injury this year.

Kearse has had one foot injury and one high ankle sprain in five years in which he missed 16 games. That isn't bad. He lasted 3 whole seasons with a perfect attendence record, so he has proved that he can stay healthy. Just because you say something, doesn't make it true.

4. Loss of CB's. Good CornerBacks don't grow on trees. Just ask the Cowboys. CB is becoming one of the most important positions in all of football. You just cannot lose two CB's like Taylor and Vincent and expect to fill the void. This will prove to be the biggest loss of all. Every week.

These were first and second round draft choices a few years ago, they arn't scrubs (Hunter, Thorton ect...). 12 of the 18 games played were with one or two of them starting and we went 9-3 over that period of time (lost to Dallas, SF, and NE). But yes we will miss them, the rest of our defensive additions (Dawkins, Thomas, Grasmanis, McDougle, Burgess, Green, Trotter) should make our defense better than it was last season (7th).

5. Now, no runningback. They went from three, starter quality RB's, to one undersized average at best option in Westbrook. Believe me, Levens is not going to cause any opposing team to lose any sleep. Westbrook will be okay, but he is no more than a change of pace back. They will miss Duce almost as much as they miss Taylor and Vincent.

This is the thing I don't agree with you in. Westbrook is a starting HB who played extremely well last season, people seem to forget this.

A starting HB who has missed two games his entire career due to injury, is being questioned now because we lost two backup HBs. Okay buddy.
 

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The Eagles will be worse this year for the same reason the Bills never won a super bowl. When you try and try and try to get over that hump and you never do pretty soon, when something goes wrong, that voice in your head says "here we go again" and you let down. Not intentionally but it happens and when it does, you've lost your edge.
 

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Unforgiven said:
5. Now, no runningback. They went from three, starter quality RB's, to one undersized average at best option in Westbrook. Believe me, Levens is not going to cause any opposing team to lose any sleep. Westbrook will be okay, but he is no more than a change of pace back. They will miss Duce almost as much as they miss Taylor and Vincent.

I agree with everything else you said. This, however, I don't agree with. Westbrook was the only game-breaker these clowns had on offense last year. In my view, every carry they gave to Duece or Buckhalter last year was a good thing for the Eagles' opponents, because it kept the ball out of Westbrook's hands. If anything, I think the loss of those two guys is going to allow him to shine as the feature back. We'll all be wishing that C-Buck and Duece were still around.
 
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Originally Posted by Portland Fanatic

1) McFlabb sucks
2) TO sucks
3) CB's suck
4) Can't handle the pressure put on them...they suck
5) Oh yeah...did I mention they suck

Wait, let me work this one oUt by myself ...

When Eagle fan give you an opinion about the C'boys it's because we have no sense of humor, we're trolling, and because we should realize that we are on a predominantly C'boy board!

On the other hand, when the C'boys act simple-minded, it's cause for patting each other on the butt and sayings like ...

MichaelWinicki said:
... This was good Fanatic... I like "suck" posts.
This was one of the better ones
.

I think a new franchise has been born ...the T'haas Hypocritical trollers :confused: :confused:
 

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ARMAGEDDON EAGLE said:
Wait, let me work this one oUt by myself ...

When Eagle fan give you an opinion about the C'boys it's because we have no sense of humor, we're trolling, and because we should realize that we are on a predominantly C'boy board!

On the other hand, when the C'boys act simple-minded, it's cause for patting each other on the butt and sayings like ...



I think a new franchise has been born ...the T'haas Hypocritical trollers :confused: :confused:


Hey if you want to say the Cowboys suck go ahead. This is sports for God's sakes... it's not life or death.
 

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Hmm...I think everybody covered most of the reasons...however I will add one.

Some Philly fans are too busy posting on dallas cowboys message boards instead of sticking to their own boards and supporting the team. :D


On a serious note...injuries are the thing that will hurt the eagles IMO.
 

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I think the signing of Owens and Kearse represents a "Now or Never" attempt on the part of the Eagles for this year. The loss of the corners and others in the off-season thinned out their ranks and they needed to shore up both sides of the ball. Now, with the injuries to Kalu and Bucky, their depth has taken a hit. As the season wears on and little nagging injuries add up, this lack of depth will become a problem and I think the team will wear down.

I could be wrong, maybe Reid has stockpiled a few dark horses, he's a pretty good coach, but I think they will not be as dominant as they have been in the last few years.
 

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. McNabb is overrated. Ever since Limbaugh said he was overated, it seems like veryone is afraid to say anything negative about McNabb (except Aikman). Limbaugh was right about McNabb being overrated, but he had the wrong reason for it. It had nothing to do with color. That made no sense because McNair is black, and he is underrated. The reason McNabb is overrated is because he is a system QB. The fact that his two backups, Detmer, and Feeley, came into several games in 2002 and actually played at a higher level than McNabb, goes to show that he is a product of a good system. How is Feeley doing now in Miami? That's my point.

McNabb very well be overrated, I don't think so but you can't use this as a "reason the Eagles will take a step back" because he has been our QB for this entire run, and its not like this position has gotten weaker.

BTW: Feeley was 86 for 154 (55.8%), 1011 yards 6 TD and 5 int (75.4%).

The games he started we won because of JUST because of our defense and commitment to running the ball. SF was the best team we played and the only reason why we beat them was because they underestimated us. Seattle, Washington, St. Louis (with Warner), and Dallas were all terrible teams in 2002. We lost to the Giants.

Uhhh, weren't the Eagles 8-1 that year under Feeley, a better win percentage than McNabb?
 

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ARMAGEDDON EAGLE said:
Wait, let me work this one oUt by myself ...

When Eagle fan give you an opinion about the C'boys it's because we have no sense of humor, we're trolling, and because we should realize that we are on a predominantly C'boy board!

On the other hand, when the C'boys act simple-minded, it's cause for patting each other on the butt and sayings like ...



I think a new franchise has been born ...the T'haas Hypocritical trollers :confused: :confused:

LOL...glad you could work this one out on your own...good job. As for simple-minded goes...felt I needed to do that on your behalf.

On a serious note...I think the Iggles have a very talented team and Reid (fat jokes aside) is a very good HC. He has keep you guys on top for several years now...making it to the NFC championship game three years in a row is something to be proud of. It must be frustrating to come up short each time. The reason us Boys fans are so excited is that we feel we are ready to regain our rightly position back on top of the NFC East. That's why you are even here posting on this board...because you feel the pressure and excitement. I don't care that you guys are in good cap shape, or that you have a fairly young team, or that you have McFlabb, TO, Kearse, etc...It's gonna be fun to knock you back to the middle of the pack.

This will be you last tease year fighting for the title...good luck and stay away from the window in December...not worth it.
 

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Unforgiven said:
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Uhhh, weren't the Eagles 8-1 that year under Feeley, a better win percentage than McNabb?

4-1...Against terrible teams, McNabb would have definitley won all five.

Seattle: W
St Louis w/Warner: W
Washington: W
Dallas: W
New York: L

Detmer won the 49er game before that.
 

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AJM1613 said:
This is the thing I don't agree with you in. Westbrook is a starting HB who played extremely well last season, people seem to forget this.

West brook has 11 starts in two years, and only 8 last season. He has started, but he is far from a proven starter. I do agree that he played well last year.

Code:
Att Yards Avg Lg TD 
117  613  5.2 62 7
113  579  5.1 80 2

Care to guess what those two stat lines are?

AJM1613 said:
A starting HB who has missed two games his entire career due to injury, is being questioned now because we lost two backup HBs. Okay buddy.

More like a HB who has 209 touches (55, 154) in two years and missed 2 games in those two years due to injury despite limited action. I mean, really, he has hardly seen the field enough to be injured. By comparison, Staley had well over 300 touches (366, 320) each year he started all 16 games for the Eagles.

I would also add that Westbrook has never carried the ball more than 15 times in ANY game during his entire career. The Eagles top three backs combined for an *average* of 21 carries a game last year.

The jury is still out on Westbrook's durability. There's a reason Philly was interested in Eddie George even before Buckhalter was injured.

AJM1613 said:
Just because you say something, doesn't make it true.
Good advice to heed.
 

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AJM1613 said:
4-1...Against terrible teams, McNabb would have definitley won all five.

Seattle: W
St Louis w/Warner: W
Washington: W
Dallas: W
New York: L

Detmer won the 49er game before that.


Yeah...because he sure as hell looked good in that first game last year against the 4th team on your little list. Oh wait....I'm sorry....he lost that game.

So much for your analisys. It is worthless....as usual.
 

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Mike 1967 said:
Yeah...because he sure as hell looked good in that first game last year against the 4th team on your little list. Oh wait....I'm sorry....he lost that game.

So much for your analisys. It is worthless....as usual.

I guess you were in space the last two seasons. Bill Parcells became your HC last season and you improved greatly, McNabb destroyed your team earlier in 2002.

"Fairweather" fan? I guess you must have missed the three consecutive 5-11 seasons.
 

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AJM1613 said:
I guess you were in space the last two seasons. Bill Parcells became your HC last season and you improved greatly, McNabb destroyed your team earlier in 2002.

"Fairweather" fan? I guess you must have missed the three consecutive 5-11 seasons.

I guess you weren't around in the mid and late 90's when we won 3 Superbowls.

You have had your chance at the plate and struck out every time. It's about time for you guys to step out of the way and let a real franchise swing again.

I'm looking forward to the eventual change of guard because it also means that your sorry *** will no longer be on this board.

The only thing you have going for you is that your team has dominated ours over the last several years. Once that goes away your left with your wit and your intelligence....that and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee.....maybe.
 

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Mike 1967 said:
I guess you weren't around in the mid and late 90's when we won 3 Superbowls.

You have had your chance at the plate and struck out every time. It's about time for you guys to step out of the way and let a real franchise swing again.

I'm looking forward to the eventual change of guard because it also means that your sorry *** will no longer be on this board.

The only thing you have going for you is that your team has dominated ours over the last several years. Once that goes away your left with your wit and your intelligence....that and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee.....maybe.

No I really wasn't around when you won your 3 Super Bowls, I WAS 8!!!

Right now, everything the Cowboys won means as much to me as our three championships in the 40's and 60's to you. Good luck with those memories, those and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee...maybe.
 

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No I really wasn't around when you won your 3 Super Bowls, I WAS 8!!!


You were 8 for 4 years? Were you born on February 29th?
 
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