5th Round of draft magic for Pete Carroll and Seahawks

[ufcrules1]

You are correct. Both of those two have been impact players in these playoffs as well. Amazing.

They are both tremendous players, paid way less than Spencer AND are both younger than Spencer. Our team needs to learn how to make business decisions instead of emotional ones.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I think a lot of it was luck. But they're going to lose a lot of their talent in the next year or so. No way besides luck do you have that many guys with that kind of talent playing for 500k contracts.

 

[Floatyworm]

No, it's luck. If they knew they would be that good they'd drafted them higher. If it was coaching, all of their late round picks would play well. All teams get lucky sometimes.

Yea.....It's all luck

Russell Wilson was luck
Bruce Irvin was all luck too....
Bobby Wagner ...and the luck just keeps coming

You don't see Pete Carroll attending the X-games like some GMs now do you?

 

[theogt]

Yea.....It's all luck

Russell Wilson was luck
Bruce Irvin was all luck too....
Bobby Wagner ...and the luck just keeps coming

You don't see Pete Carroll attending the X-games like some GMs now do you?

Bruce Irvin was a terrible pick. It was roundly criticized at the time, and the critics were right.

Wagner and Wilson have performed at their expected level based on their actual and projected draft position.

 

[Vinnie2u]

How about them picking up Avril and Bennet in the offseason? For what we paid Spencer, we could have almost had both of these guys. One of them is making 5 million this year and the other 6.5m. Moves like that and smart drafting is what has helped make Seattle such a good team.

They did wiff on Percy Harvin...

 

[ufcrules1]

They did wiff on Percy Harvin...

Well, he got hurt but I wouldn't say they totally wiffed on him. Percy is legit when healthy.. he will be back for the super bowl and could be very solid for them next year.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

ill take richard sherman on my team any day

Crabtree makes that catch it's all over for Seattle.

I agree.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

The success rate of late rounders across all teams and staffs sort of disproves this. If it were NOT luck, then there would be a staff somewhere that consistently finds players in the late rounds for years and years. What usually happens is that they do it for a couple of years, make a run, everyone notices it but then it doesn't sustain. Pats in the early 2000s, Ravens did it for a while, etc. But over time, ALL those teams have their warts too.

No disputing late round success can be hit or miss… it makes sense, the risk reward of a player usually gets higher the lower in the draft you go if looking for a HR. And of course wins and losses are going to occur.

I think Dallas needs to get better at drafting as a WHOLE, first round down. If you have an identity and good scouting, your drafts can yield many more wins than losses. almost every player in the nfl got there through the draft…...

 

[jazzcat22]

Yea.....It's all luck

Russell Wilson was luck
Bruce Irvin was all luck too....
Bobby Wagner ...and the luck just keeps coming

You don't see Pete Carroll attending the X-games like some GMs now do you?

Wilson was a back up, if Flynn would have shown anything remotely better than he did, Wilson would still be the back up, and Seattle would be 8-8 and fans screaming for his head to be amputated. Carroll would be a horrible coach, and the owner be called the worst, because he won't fire and get a real coach / GM.

The draft is a lot of luck at times. Especially in the later rounds. Good coaching can help those type players though. This is where I think Dallas needs to make coaching changes, in some assistants.

As for the X-games, I'm glad you mentioned that. First, he had to be at the combine, it's his job.
JJ's title may carry GM, but when he was at the X-games, it was Garrett interviewing coaches at the combine not the GM....

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Wilson was a back up, if Flynn would have shown anything remotely better than he did, Wilson would still be the back up, and Seattle would be 8-8 and fans screaming for his head to be amputated. Carroll would be a horrible coach, and the owner be called the worst, because he won't fire and get a real coach / GM.

The draft is a lot of luck at times. Especially in the later rounds. Good coaching can help those type players though. This is where I think Dallas needs to make coaching changes, in some assistants.

As for the X-games, I'm glad you mentioned that. First, he had to be at the combine, it's his job.
JJ's title may carry GM, but when he was at the X-games, it was Garrett interviewing coaches at the combine not the GM....

I kind of disagree wight he Wilson comment. Seattle drafted him envisioning him as a possible starter… that fast? Probably not…. but several teams passed on giving Flynn a contract (fins?), his arm strength was in question… but Seattle desperately needed a QB, but gave Wilson a shot at the job early in the process…

Valid points though…..

 

[jazzcat22]

I kind of disagree wight he Wilson comment. Seattle drafted him envisioning him as a possible starter… that fast? Probably not…. but several teams passed on giving Flynn a contract (fins?), his arm strength was in question… but Seattle desperately needed a QB, but gave Wilson a shot at the job early in the process…

Valid points though…..

Part of that was in jest...
But yes, Wilson was drafted to compete as Flynn was already showing how he struggled. And IIRC Wilson replaced Flynn after he was injured. Played great and never gave it up.

I like Wilson as a QB actually.

 

[AbeBeta]

2010......Cam Chancellor

2011......Richard Sherman (34th CB selected)

A little good fortune like that, and our D would be greatly improved, while spending higher picks up front.

Pete Carrol, with secondary and defense background, has done a fantastic job in Seattle, but a little bit of luck in the late rounds makes a huge difference for a team.

BTW....Orlando Scandrick, best CB for Cowboys in 2013.....5th round pick.

Richard Sherman -- who is incredibly intelligent when not being crazy -- said the other day "I am the best CB in the league with the caveat that you have to have a great front seven to be a great CB"

A ton of truth to that. Sacks, forcing quick throws, LBs keeping the running backs from getting lose in coverage ...

 

[AbeBeta]

Doesn't Seattle also lead the league in suspensions from PEDs and drugs the past several years? My gut feeling tells me that Seattle probably has the most players using PEDs in the NFL. Just a hunch.

and other folks say they hold and commit PI on every play.

It begins to smell of sour grapes when these guys keep winning

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

2010......Cam Chancellor

2011......Richard Sherman (34th CB selected)

A little good fortune like that, and our D would be greatly improved, while spending higher picks up front.

Pete Carrol, with secondary and defense background, has done a fantastic job in Seattle, but a little bit of luck in the late rounds makes a huge difference for a team.

BTW....Orlando Scandrick, best CB for Cowboys in 2013.....5th round pick.

How many SBs half the Seattle Seahawks win, huh?
Any monkey can pick a few nuggats after 30 or so years. Any USC monkey like Carroll can pick some good ones even after 5 or so years in Seattle. Hail, even Jerra half gotten some nuggats in the chaffe. Aint no big thing.

Plus Sherman might someday selfdestruct with his big muaf. Someone might give him a forearm and ruin his TV analyst good looks.

 

[jterrell]

More to the point really is that its probably because Carrol had just come from the college ranks and knew the players better. Just like Jimmy did when he first got here.

I think people underestimate this effect.
SF and Sea both had guys with vast knowledge of collegiate players then drafted VERY well.

Jimmy did as well tho his drafting weened the longer removed he (and his staff) was from college.

Jimmy trusted his coaches more than scouts because those guys had all scouted and recruited the players out of high school.
They had seen development over 4 years AND had collegiate tape to study.

If I were an NFL Head Coach I think I'd keep a guy on my staff that had collegiate recruiting experience within the past 3 or 4 years.
You have more than enough turnover to do so.

 

[jterrell]

and other folks say they hold and commit PI on every play.

It begins to smell of sour grapes when these guys keep winning

They are the most penalized team in football.
They do hold and commit PI virtually every play.

The other guy who does this regularly is Belichek.
It is worth it to eat a few penalties for consistently making life miserable for offenses.

So it is genius and I admire it but it is also true.

 

[burmafrd]

They are the most penalized team in football.
They do hold and commit PI virtually every play.

The other guy who does this regularly is Belichek.
It is worth it to eat a few penalties for consistently making life miserable for offenses.

So it is genius and I admire it but it is also true.

their theory is apparently if you do it all the time then the league will not let the officials call it all the time and eventually only call it now and then. And as has been shown its worth it.

 

[jterrell]

their theory is apparently if you do it all the time then the league will not let the officials call it all the time and eventually only call it now and then. And as has been shown its worth it.

Same with basketball or hockey or baseball.

Refs will MOSTLY adjust before players do if the players are consistent.
Refs are taught they should make calls but also let the players determine the outcome.

 

[Seven]

I am a firm believer that draft is not luck on most levels (injury maybe).
It's about scouting properly and knowing what kind of players and personalities fit what you are trying to build.

I agree.

And not trading up for a receiver gone CB. Dumping millions into an average Carr. Drafting safties from a step above high school programs. Known injury issues. Changing up the defensive scheme like changing underwear.

My head is spinning............

 

[EST_1986]

As long as that talent doesn't come along with Richard Sherman's egregious
character.

I would also absolutely hate it if another one of our players other than had some passion.