85, go on record

[Spectre]

With rumors abound about Dallas acquiring Chad Johnson at some point this offseason, I just wanted to go on record with my thoughts.

I did get a strange feeling, even before the rumors started swirling recently, that Dallas would in fact make a serious play for Ocho-Cinco sometime later this offseason. I fear that Jerry is waiting for his situation in Cincy to implode some more so he can pounce when the time is right, maybe sometime after the June 1st cuts or near Training Camp.

I say, "No thank you."

While I'd prefer the tandem of Owens and Johnson over having Crayton as the #2 for another season, I fear that acquiring CJ would lessen the liklihood of Dallas being a frontrunner for the services of WR Roy Williams, or a similar talent, next offseason. I also think 85 has become a 1-trick-pony with his deep route ability but Romo and the Cowboys aren't really suited for that type of game. Finally, I've tired of seeing his face, hearing his mouth, and think we should stay away from players in the future that are currently on the outs with their respective team because of their attitude, demands, etc.

Romo and T.O. get enough media hype. Do we really need the media's 3rd and 4th favorite personalities in Pac-man and Ocho Cinco to add the mix?
Personally, I'm tired of the soap opera that Dallas football has become.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

RW is not and will never be the calibre WR that 85 is.

RW is so overrated here its silly. He had one good season and has been hurt every other dating back to college. He is unfocused doesnt practice hard and is a bad route runner.

Give us 85 for the next 4 years and well be putting those Pats offensive records to shame.

85 is good for 30 more catches and 500 more yards a season and that is year after year. Take away RWs only good year and his production is putrid. Take away 85s best year and his production is the same.

RW cannot hold 85's jock.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Stanback will be our 85 .....wow factor

 

[DallasInDC]

RW is not and will never be the calibre WR that 85 is.

RW is so overrated here its silly. He had one good season and has been hurt every other dating back to college. He is unfocused doesnt practice hard and is a bad route runner.

Give us 85 for the next 4 years and well be putting those Pats offensive records to shame.

85 is good for 30 more catches and 500 more yards a season and that is year after year. Take away RWs only good year and his production is putrid. Take away 85s best year and his production is the same.

RW cannot hold 85's jock.

If that is all we are going to get from him, we might as well keep Crayton's 50 catches for 700 yards.

 

[Sarge]

If that is all we are going to get from him, we might as well keep Crayton's 50 catches for 700 yards.

Key word - more.

 

[DallasInDC]

Key word - more.

ahhhh I missed that.:

 

[Primetime0201]

The funniest thing I ever heard was I don't want Chad because we may not get Roy Williams. Roy is a bum and he is fragile.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

RW is not and will never be the calibre WR that 85 is.

RW is so overrated here its silly. He had one good season and has been hurt every other dating back to college. He is unfocused doesnt practice hard and is a bad route runner.

Give us 85 for the next 4 years and well be putting those Pats offensive records to shame.

85 is good for 30 more catches and 500 more yards a season and that is year after year. Take away RWs only good year and his production is putrid. Take away 85s best year and his production is the same.

RW cannot hold 85's jock.

Exactly. While I wouldn't mind Roy, because he is a better #2 option than Crayton when he's healthy, I'd MUCH rather have 4 seasons of Chad than 4 or 5 seasons of Roy Williams.

Chad is a far superior athlete and does so much more at the WR position than RW can provide.

I couldn't care less about Chad Johnsons endzone antics. He's entertaining. And the people who now think he sucks simply cause he's very vocal about not wanting to play for a loser franchise anymore, well, whatever.

Chad Johnson, right now, reminds me of what these forums probably looked like when Owens became available and it was possible Dallas would go after him. A lot of "NOOOOOOOOOOO! I DON'T WANT HIM HERE! HE SUCKS! HE BLOWS! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

Fast forward 2 years later and now everyone is just dying to find someone to help out our great WR TO so he can continue to shine more for us.

 

[OldButDeadly]

Jerry did say he was talking to a team about a WR....I wonder which one?

Kev

 

[lspain1]

Interesting thread. I don't know either Johnson or Williams very well. There has been some "hyping" of Williams on this board and I'd like to see a comparison of the two receivers. Regardless of skill sets, Detroit seems to like RW a lot and seems determined to keep him. Chad is proving a big distraction in Cincinnati and this to a team that does not need any more distractions (chickens coming home to roost and all that). I remain convinced we have a better chance to get Johnson this season rather than Williams and I believe the whole Terry Glenn coming back thing is nothing more than a smokescreen.

We'll see.

 

[aikemirv]

It would be very hard keeping T.O, Chad and Witten happy.

 

[Hostile]

I would much rather have Roy Williams than Chad Johnson and it has nothing to do with the University of Texas.

First he is 4 years younger. I would like a WR who can come in and take over the #1 role of TO and man that for 6 or 7 years at least. Otherwise all we are doing is looking for a #1 WR sooner. I would like to not have to look for a while. Chad Johnson is a #2 WR. Houshmanzadeh is the #1 in Cincy. Chad benefits from that. Williams is the #1 guy in Detroit. He is the one defenses are most likely to double team and he still puts up numbers.

I think they are about equal talent but one has a far superior QB. That would be Chad Johnson. No one can tell me they think Kitna is better than Palmer and keep a straight face.

Put Roy Williams in our Offense and he will be better than he already is because they cannot ever double team him. I think he's easily capable of double digit TDs and if teams double team him or TO they will be committing suicide.

Finally there's this whole off season spectacle going on. I love Chad Johnson and think he's hilarious, but I do not respect the way he is tearing his team apart. Meanwhile Roy Williams has said the right things and for the most part not drawn attention to anything. On a team that already has TO, the Tony and Jessica paparazzi, and now Pacman Jones, I just would prefer not to add Chad's antics.

If we get Chad I will be stoked. I think WR opposite TO is the missing piece. I just would prefer the younger guy who passionately loves this team.

 

[sago1]

Obviously I'd love to see a very healthy Terry Glenn return to his former form, but the odds are really against it & even more so that he'll stay healthy the whole season.

The stats on RWilliams, ABouldin & CJohnson have been posted a few times before. It was very clear that Johnson was/is a superior WR. RWilliams & Bouldin aren't that far apart but Bouldin is a pro bowler something RWilliams has not accomplished. I also really question RWilliams work ethic & whether he could ever become our #1 WR if TO goes down/retires. From that perspective the winner is CJohnson, but gotta admit his actions/comments lately is major cause for concern. Can he get along with TO and not drive Romo to the shrink. If we get anyone of the 3 mentioned so frequently, we just can't go overboard & give up too much. That's why I really want one of our younger players to really step it up but doubt it would be enough. Anyway, even if Glenn stays healthy/plays well, Jerry will probably still go after either RWilliams, ABouldin or CJachson cause we need young blood at starting WR positions.

BTW: I don't see the Cowboys as a soap opera at all -- well maybe a little. But the Cowboys have always been a soap opera - caste your mind back to the 90s -- that was a soap opera. But even when Staubach wa starting, it was a soap opera. Reality is the Dallas Cowboys remain of huge interest to the media & football fans throughout the country & their ratings draw ensures lot of media interest. Sports colunists around the country weigh in on anything related to the Cowboys; geez even the President throw his 2 cents in re Romo & Jessica Simpson. The Cowboys sell & the media pounces. & fans read/watch with avid interest--whether they hate us or love us.

Being the franchise QB of the Dallas Cowboys is one of the most prestigious jobs in professional athletics. Nobody knows or cares who Rams QB is nor most other team QBs but they know who Romo is & his whole background. Chicago fans wonder why the Bears didn't sign Romo instead of Grossman, etc. & other teams sign/draft QBs cause they hope he's the next Romo. And TO was big media interest even before he came to the Cowboys. If you think Cowboys are an opera now, wait til we win the SB.

Also when players join the Cowboys they can't believe the media following we attract starting in preseason. We draw national media in droves while most other teams likely to get only their own local sports reporters to come. That's also why we hated. Cause many fans resent our high profile but that comes with the huge ratings we bring. Live with it. I will admit the adding CJohnson to our team will draw even more national comment because of his visible personality. Heck in Cincy how else do you draw national interest short of getting arrested.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

RW is not and will never be the calibre WR that 85 is.

RW is so overrated here its silly. He had one good season and has been hurt every other dating back to college. He is unfocused doesnt practice hard and is a bad route runner.

Give us 85 for the next 4 years and well be putting those Pats offensive records to shame.

85 is good for 30 more catches and 500 more yards a season and that is year after year. Take away RWs only good year and his production is putrid. Take away 85s best year and his production is the same.

RW cannot hold 85's jock.

Agreed. The more I think about it, the less opposed I am to getting him. How's that for a ringing endorsement?

 

[Stash]

For the record, put me down as a firm 'No' regarding Chad Johnson.

I think this is a 'pie in the sky' dream some folks still cling to anyway. That comment is not meant to deman anyone, but to illustrate my belief that there's little to no chance of him coming to Dallas.

If people realistically looked at the whole picture, I think they would change their tune anyway.

What would it cost in draft picks for Chad Johnson?

Washington screwed up the market by offering two 1st rounders.

Would anyone want to give up two 1st rounders for him?

And anyone who doesn't think his motives are about money is also kidding themselves. His pal Keyshawn publicly stated that he knew it was a money move.

So, even if you did pony up the two #1's to get him, are you then prepared to pay him over $9 million a year?

This doesn't even take into account his age and all of the other baggage that comes with him.

If, after dealing with those facts, if anyone still wants to deal for him (if he were even available), sign up and be counted.

I'm not in that group.

 

[lkelly]

I just want to know this: are some message board posts "off the record" while others are officially "on the record?" Is there a little icon to help distinguish?

 

[Aven8]

I would rather have RW as well, but this whole CJ is ripping his team apart is a bunch of BS!!!!!

Ocho hasn't torn this team up......it's all the thugs they have gotten and still seem to be getting...I still can't see why Marvin is allowed to stay around...it's nuts! He has NO control of his team....and I think Palmer is a big P! You're a great QB and the leader of the team...now go out and LEAD!

Ocho is just talker like our Crayton, but he can put his money where his mouth is! At least he's not a criminal, like half of his team.

The only problem with having Ocho on our team now is that I don't think Wade has enough balls to handle all of the strong personalities, like Jimmy did. We use to have a lot of those personalities on this team, but unfortunatly we do not have the coach to handle them....it's not Wade's fault...it's just the way it is!

Have a good Friday.

 

[coach316]

I would much rather have Roy Williams than Chad Johnson and it has nothing to do with the University of Texas.

First he is 4 years younger. I would like a WR who can come in and take over the #1 role of TO and man that for 6 or 7 years at least. Otherwise all we are doing is looking for a #1 WR sooner. I would like to not have to look for a while. Chad Johnson is a #2 WR. Houshmanzadeh is the #1 in Cincy. Chad benefits from that. Williams is the #1 guy in Detroit. He is the one defenses are most likely to double team and he still puts up numbers.

I think they are about equal talent but one has a far superior QB. That would be Chad Johnson. No one can tell me they think Kitna is better than Palmer and keep a straight face.

Put Roy Williams in our Offense and he will be better than he already is because they cannot ever double team him. I think he's easily capable of double digit TDs and if teams double team him or TO they will be committing suicide.

Finally there's this whole off season spectacle going on. I love Chad Johnson and think he's hilarious, but I do not respect the way he is tearing his team apart. Meanwhile Roy Williams has said the right things and for the most part not drawn attention to anything. On a team that already has TO, the Tony and Jessica paparazzi, and now Pacman Jones, I just would prefer not to add Chad's antics.

If we get Chad I will be stoked. I think WR opposite TO is the missing piece. I just would prefer the younger guy who passionately loves this team.

While I agree with your take on things, that is wrong. CJ is the #1 in Cincy and Housh is the one that has benefited from CJ's play as a #2....Ala Irvin and Harper.

 

[Hostile]

While I agree with your take on things, that is wrong. CJ is the #1 in Cincy and Housh is the one that has benefited from CJ's play as a #2....Ala Irvin and Harper.

Harper never led the NFL in receptions.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

I also think 85 has become a 1-trick-pony with his deep route ability but Romo and the Cowboys aren't really suited for that type of game

WHAT?
that's EXACTLY what our offense and Romo are suited for!