A DC that checks all the boxes!

Cowboyny said:
Mike Pettine

-former HC of the browns
-firmilar with Schott as he was the dc when he was the oc with the jets. Reportedly still has a strong relationship with.
-runs a hybrid, attacking scheme that employs a lot of man coverages
-is currently on Brian Flores staff with the Vikings
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Interesting.
 
Bobhaze said:
I’m not disagreeing at all with your thinking or Mike Pettine’s credentials….The real problem is we do not have a GM who thinks beyond who he is comfortable in hiring.

Comfort is always more important to him than winning. I know he wants to win. Just not at all costs. Winning isn’t as important to him as control. So we can list a half dozen great candidates for DC and it won’t register with the owner.

When the owner is THE problem we have to overcome, it makes it very difficult to use rational thinking to problem solve. It’s like the former BritishKing George III. Near the end of his reign he had lost his marbles and no one could really talk to him or change his mind on what the real problems were.

That’s where we are IMO.
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Maybe we can hold out hope that he's willing to let Brian pick his DC, or at least have a say about it. I know that's probably a stretch. I just can't imagine Brian saying, "Yeah, I'm good with Matt" (again).
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
Quinn was the last DC to get the best out of this group and even he had issues.
Changing DCs and Schemes over and over has not panned out.
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Well...keeping Eberflus would be a mistake bigger than them keeping Kellen Moore around for 2022. Nobody on the back end looks good in this defense. Linebackers, supposedly Eberflus' forte (7 years as Cowboys line backer coach alone) don't look very good either. Overshown has one TFL, zero sacks, . So even his putative area of expertise leaves a lot to be desired. Most want Kenneth Murray thrown off the team at this point (mostly people who are not breaking down game film).

His scheme is too pusillanimous and non-negotiable. Whatever type of DC he was in his heyday...he isn't that now. To run it back with him at the helm next year would a fireable offense in itself.
 
Acceptablename said:
Yes you give everybody more than one year
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Not in this case. He has done nothing to earn it. This team has just 1/3 of the turnovers it had at the same point in 2021. Pressures, sacks...all lackluster. Dead last in the league in defensive passer rating (109.1...117.1 over the last THREE GAMES). Under Quinn in 2021 it was 76.2 (2nd in the league). The JJ McCarthy Hall Of Fame game should be the thing that sinks him. Full stop.
 
For every great offense, there is a way to defend it. For every great defense, there is a way to attack it.

So it isn't the talent on the team, it isn't the coaching........it is the right talent with the right coaching.

If as a DC you can't adapt to what the offense is doing, then the book will be written on how to beat you.
If you as a DC don't have the talent to do these things, then the book will be written on how to beat you.

So the way to win consistently on defense, is to be able to adjust to the team you are playing. You better be able to stop the run, stop the quick passing, and then get pressure.
Pressure keeps the developmental plays from happening, and causes offenses to make mistakes. It is not as important as stopping the run though, because an OC will control the ball and when your offense can be on the field, if it can run the ball and control the line of scrimmage.

Tape kills when you have pride that your way works, and you are not flexible. (An OC will scheme a way to beat your D)
Tape kills when you don't have the talent to defend what you know they are going to do to you. (An OC will figure out who they can beat on your D)

I have many less issues with the talent than most fans here because I don't think the coaching is getting the most out of the talent it has. I think they are asking talented men to do things that they aren't that talented at. IE... you don't ask a zone corner to play lockdown man all the time. You don't ask a safety that is great in the box to cover some of the elite TE's. You don't ask a zone safety with average speed to be a center fielder or to play man on their fastest guy because he moved to the slot. You have to have the correct talent for that type defense, and you have to be flexible and be able to run multiple defenses with little personnel change. Hard job.

I am not sure exactly what DC is out there that could be flexible, evaluate talent, could teach, excellent with film, and knows to impart their "will"...........but I am fairly certain it will come from either a retired player, or the college ranks.
 
unfortunately this is why Jerry will keep him.

Under Matt Eberflus (2022-2024), the Chicago Bears defense showed significant improvement, moving from dead last (32nd) in scoring in 2022 to 13th by the end of his tenure in 2023/early 2024, particularly excelling in takeaways and forcing turnovers late in games, despite initial struggles with overall ranking

Year-by-Year Breakdown:
  • 2022: Inherited a poor roster, finished near the bottom of the league in points allowed (32nd).
  • 2023 (Improved): Defense improved significantly, becoming a top-tier unit in forcing turnovers and finishing much higher in scoring defense, even climbing to 13th by season's end.
 
Ironicalicon said:
Maybe we can hold out hope that he's willing to let Brian pick his DC, or at least have a say about it. I know that's probably a stretch. I just can't imagine Brian saying, "Yeah, I'm good with Matt" (again).
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Eberflus is gone. But his exit won’t happen until seasons end because Jerry hates to pay people who aren’t working here anymore.
 
blueblood70 said:
It's nice that you have a name,

but you know what would be nicer if we just be patient and first we need to see a Matt EberPOO is fired 2nd why don't we just let the coaching staff pick the defensive coordinator let me Let's let Brian Schottenheimer go to Jerry with a list let's let them make a compromise and figure out what's best for this roster fans are not going to make this decision..

And it's a nice option last year I was really high on trying to get Brian Flores in here he was my first pick so if yeah if he comes from the blind Flores tree that's an option but II just think we need to be patient there's still games left to be played here there's not a job opening for ADC in Dallas right now so we need to like slow and tap the brace because guess what we're going to have all these same conversations all over again in february...
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EberFluff is getting canned.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
Quinn was the last DC to get the best out of this group and even he had issues.
Changing DCs and Schemes over and over has not panned out.
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It does. When you find a DC eho makes his scheme fit with players instead of being stuck in his ways and making the players fit his scheme. You have many better days than bad
 
Bobhaze said:
I’m not disagreeing at all with your thinking or Mike Pettine’s credentials….The real problem is we do not have a GM who thinks beyond who he is comfortable in hiring.

Comfort is always more important to him than winning. I know he wants to win. Just not at all costs. Winning isn’t as important to him as control. So we can list a half dozen great candidates for DC and it won’t register with the owner.

When the owner is THE problem we have to overcome, it makes it very difficult to use rational thinking to problem solve. It’s like the former BritishKing George III. Near the end of his reign he had lost his marbles and no one could really talk to him or change his mind on what the real problems were.

That’s where we are IMO.
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It will be interesting if he will allow Schott to hire his own guy as clearly Eberflus was forced on him by Jerry due to their prior relationship.
 
kramskoi said:
Not in this case. He has done nothing to earn it. This team has just 1/3 of the turnovers it had at the same point in 2021. Pressures, sacks...all lackluster. Dead last in the league in defensive passer rating (109.1...117.1 over the last THREE GAMES). Under Quinn in 2021 it was 76.2 (2nd in the league). The JJ McCarthy Hall Of Fame game should be the thing that sinks him. Full stop.
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Well you might be right in th past he has built some good defenses but here he forgot how to do it
 
blueblood70 said:
It's nice that you have a name,

but you know what would be nicer if we just be patient and first we need to see a Matt EberPOO is fired 2nd why don't we just let the coaching staff pick the defensive coordinator let me Let's let Brian Schottenheimer go to Jerry with a list let's let them make a compromise and figure out what's best for this roster fans are not going to make this decision..

And it's a nice option last year I was really high on trying to get Brian Flores in here he was my first pick so if yeah if he comes from the blind Flores tree that's an option but II just think we need to be patient there's still games left to be played here there's not a job opening for ADC in Dallas right now so we need to like slow and tap the brace because guess what we're going to have all these same conversations all over again in february...
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It is looking likely Eberflus will be replaced, but not a 100% guarantee.

Flores is my #1 choice, but he may not be available. If he doesn't land a HC job, he may just stay with the Vikings.
 
Pass2Run said:
EberFluff is getting canned.
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hopefully BUT I'm betting Jerry is leaning that way 75% but what if down the stretch even flu shuts out all three teams or holds all three teams under seventeen points? If somehow they accumulate 14 sacks and a bunch of pressures and three or four turnovers in X3 games you know Jerry he might see that as hey that's what's going to happen next year...


so yeah we're crossing our fingers but that twenty five percent makes me uneasy..
 
Wished we had one of these DC you all mentioning before the start of the season! hehe lol :laugh: :muttley::starspin:
 
Cowboyny said:
Mike Pettine

-former HC of the browns
-firmilar with Schott as he was the dc when he was the oc with the jets. Reportedly still has a strong relationship with.
-runs a hybrid, attacking scheme that employs a lot of man coverages
-is currently on Brian Flores staff with the Vikings
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Gotta find someone that fits with Schotty. Can’t be a Jones old boy network hire. The Joneses need to take a chance with the coaching and selection of players.
 
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