A dumb rule that should change (IMO)

[Reverend Conehead]

I've always thought it was weird that if an extra point is blocked, the ball is dead; the defense is not allowed to advance the ball. I think if they block the attempt and manage to advance it to the other endzone, they should be awarded the 1 point. Same thing with a 2-point conversion. If the defense intercepts or recovers a fumble and advances it to the other endzone, they should get the 2 points.

To me this only makes sense. During other times of play, it's always possible for either the offense or the defense to score.

 

[joseephuss]

I disagree. The extra point is a simple reward to the offense for scoring a touchdown. I don't think the defense should be rewarded for allowing a touchdown. The extra point is a dead play and should stay that way. It is the college and high school rules that seem backwards.

 

[DogFace]

I disagree. The extra point is a simple reward to the offense for scoring a touchdown. I don't think the defense should be rewarded for allowing a touchdown. The extra point is a dead play and should stay that way. It is the college and high school rules that seem backwards.

Nope. Op is correct.

 

[ufcrules1]

I've always thought it was weird that if an extra point is blocked, the ball is dead; the defense is not allowed to advance the ball. I think if they block the attempt and manage to advance it to the other endzone, they should be awarded the 1 point. Same thing with a 2-point conversion. If the defense intercepts or recovers a fumble and advances it to the other endzone, they should get the 2 points.

To me this only makes sense. During other times of play, it's always possible for either the offense or the defense to score.

I completely agree with you. I feel that anytime a team is attempting to score a point, if the other team blocks it or picks up a fumble, they should be able to score the same.

 

[Staggerlee]

Nope. Op is correct.

I guess that settles this discussion.

 

[Future]

I disagree. The extra point is a simple reward to the offense for scoring a touchdown. I don't think the defense should be rewarded for allowing a touchdown. The extra point is a dead play and should stay that way. It is the college and high school rules that seem backwards.

Agreed. After the other team scores, you shouldn't get an opportunity to score before you actually get the ball.

 

[DogFace]

Agreed. After the other team scores, you shouldn't get an opportunity to score before you actually get the ball.

You would get the ball if they lost it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Defense is also part of the game. I agree with the Op.

 

[conner01]

the extra point is a dead ball play. under your plan if a team scored a td to tie a game with say 25 seconds left they could just run the clock down to one second, kick the ball and the game is over. those last drive comebacks would be very difficult if the team could run the clock down on the extra point and if the clock is not running you can't have a team advance the ball. the rule actually is well thought out and adds alot of interest in the final minute or so of a game if it is a close game

 

[joseephuss]

Defense is also part of the game. I agree with the Op.

Then they shouldn't have let them score a TD in the first place.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Then they shouldn't have let them score a TD in the first place.

Fair enough but if that's the case, then why reward the Offense for receiving points to begin with. Explain that logic and perhaps I can more clearly see the reasoning behind your statement.


At this point, the game is geared towards preventing the Defense from being able to stop the scoring. It's not as if the Defense has any advantage to begin with.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

the extra point is a dead ball play. under your plan if a team scored a td to tie a game with say 25 seconds left they could just run the clock down to one second, kick the ball and the game is over. those last drive comebacks would be very difficult if the team could run the clock down on the extra point and if the clock is not running you can't have a team advance the ball. the rule actually is well thought out and adds alot of interest in the final minute or so of a game if it is a close game

Why would the clock preclude last minute scoring or take away from the game? If you can't execute the extra point, why would the clock have to run? It could still be a dead ball and points could still be scored. I guess I don't understand your statement well enough.

 

[joseephuss]

The offense is rewarded the opportunity to get an extra point or two. They still have to convert.

It goes back to rugby, which is what football spawned from in the past. At one time the extra point was worth more than the touchdown in rugby.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Then they shouldn't have let them score a TD in the first place.

And they shouldn't allow an extra point to be blocked or they shouldn't allow an interception or fumble on an extra 2 points. If they allow either of those two things, it's only right for the D to have the chance to score.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The offense is rewarded the opportunity to get an extra point or two. They still have to convert.

It goes back to rugby, which is what football spawned from in the past. At one time the extra point was worth more than the touchdown in rugby.

But not in Football. The game has changed. I understand the point you are making but those rules were adopted at a time in the games evolution where scoring was much, much more difficult. At this point, the Defense is penalized enough. An extra point is almost automatic in today's game. It's actually very, very difficult to block a kick or intercept a ball. The rules, IMO, need to change along with the game. The reasoning behind those rules are no longer relevant IMO. I see no reason not to allow reward for a great Special Teams play.

 

[Idgit]

Why would the clock preclude last minute scoring or take away from the game? If you can't execute the extra point, why would the clock have to run? It could still be a dead ball and points could still be scored. I guess I don't understand your statement well enough.

He's saying the change would require making extra points regular play and not dead-ball play. If normal clocking rules applied, you could milk an extra down's worth of game time off the clock prior to your PAT and that would cut down on late game heroics.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

But not in Football. The game has changed. I understand the point you are making but those rules were adopted at a time in the games evolution where scoring was much, much more difficult. At this point, the Defense is penalized enough. An extra point is almost automatic in today's game. It's actually very, very difficult to block a kick or intercept a ball. The rules, IMO, need to change along with the game. The reasoning behind those rules are no longer relevant IMO. I see no reason not to allow reward for a great Special Teams play.

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As you say, it's extremely rare to be able to block an extra point or to be able to force a turnover on an extra 2. If a defending special teams unit manages to do such a thing, it should be allowed to advance the ball and attempt to score. It still doesn't mean they will score. They have to get the ball into the opposite endzone.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He's saying the change would require making extra points regular play and not dead-ball play. If normal clocking rules applied, you could milk an extra down's worth of game time off the clock prior to your PAT and that would cut down on late game heroics.

I understand what he's saying but I'm asking why? It could still be dead ball play. You either score or you don't. Doesn't have to effect the clock.

 

[Idgit]

For fun, what if the offense were to lose a point, or two, for missing a failed PAT?

 

[Idgit]

I understand what he's saying but I'm asking why? It could still be dead ball play. You either score or you don't. Doesn't have to effect the clock.

Ah, yeah, that's another question. It could still be a dead ball play, I guess. Unless we're missing something.