A few concerns about Lamb

[superonyx]

Dez had a large catch radius.. It didn’t matter..

He needs to see a guy open.. That is why crafty route runners like Amari work better for Dak vs a guy who may have the corner in his back pocket while still making a play.


Back shoulder throws? Non existent..

Contested catches by our Wide outs? Rare thing to see.

Lamb’s after catc ability should be huge but I don’t know if his catch radius will even be a factor.

Fair points.
Dak may need to trust the receiver a little more or they may need to scheme a guy like Lamb open so he can use his YAC ability.

I did notice Dak started to throw Gallup some questionable balls where Gallup made some nice plays on the ball last year.

 

[Batman1980]

Dak will be outstanding. This opens up the whole offense. My concern is left guard and center.

Yeah, gotta hope Williams can take the next step at LG. Actually at this point I'm moving La'El Collins to LG, Williams to C and drafting a RT.

 

[gimmesix]

First off let me say that if Dallas didn’t pick Lamb or Chaisson then they failed with their pick.

I had Lamb as my best WR in the 1st round but not necessarily the best fit for Dallas.

When I watch Lamb he is an incredible open field runner and he can win 50/50 throws.



Here is some of my concerns:

1. He’s not that great of an athlete..

4.51 40 and 34 inch vertical point to a lack of explosiveness. When you watch him he just kind of floats. He doesn’t have that quick suddenness in his route or a lot of top end speed to separate at the top of routes

2. He played with 3 Heisman candidates in a conference that plays no defense on the best team. We constantly got to watch him play in a ton of space.

3. Dak... Dak tends to like the separation receivers and isn’t going to throw guys open or give his guy chances to make a play on the ball.


Dallas got the pick right.. I’m just not as sold as this being a total slam dunk simply because I’m not 100% sold on what he does translating to the pro’s and our QB’s strengths specifically.

I think it's great that he has a season to get his feet wet and figure out the things he needs to do to excel on this level. A lot of first-round receivers are thrown into the fire and they never find themselves.

Because we have Cooper and Gallup, Lamb can start off in that third-receiver/punt returner role. He can face nickel corners instead of No. 1 corners. We can cater to what he does best to take advantage of his skill set.

I don't think any player taken in the draft is a slam dunk. Rookies tend to struggle at most positions. We've given Lamb the best possible start to his career because he doesn't have to be a No. 1 receiver yet.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I’m happy with the pick. It had to be him or Chaisson or else the 1st round would’ve been a failure.

What makes you think any other pick would have been a failure? So many called the Fredbeard pick a failure. Time will tell on all these players. You say you are happy but go negative in less than 12 hours. Can only imagine what you think of a player when you are unhappy.

 

[OmerV]

40 time isn't everything. A lot of great receivers - some of the best ever - didn't have blazing speed, or great leaping ability. The best of all time (Rice) included. And it's not exactly as if Lamb isn't fast or can't jump.

Speed is an asset, as is jumping ability, but it doesn't take I popping numbers in those areas to be a great receiver, and there are many other elements to a receiver's bag of skills that are really more important. Hands, route running, instincts, making adjustments to the ball in air etc …

I'm not claiming to know how good Lamb will be, or saying he fits with the best ever - way premature for that. Just pointing out that there is no reason to worry about his speed and leaping ability at this point.

 

[OmerV]

What makes you think any other pick would have been a failure? So many called the Fredbeard pick a failure. Time will tell on all these players. You say you are happy but go negative in less than 12 hours. Can only imagine what you think of a player when you are unhappy.

This is a fair comment. We don't know how any other pick would have worked out. But I think it would have been fair to say that other picks would have been a bigger gamble.

 

[Bullflop]

Once the Cowboys trainers and coaches get ahold of Lamb, it's a good bet his explosion and speed will be maximized, likely noticeably so. As it is, he's been the top college WR in terms of yards after the catch. That's elite in its own right. He's exactly what this offense needed to put it over the top. Lamb also excels in terms of his ability to score! That's what an offense is all about, after all.

 

[baltcowboy]

Yeah, gotta hope Williams can take the next step at LG. Actually at this point I'm moving La'El Collins to LG, Williams to C and drafting a RT.

The offense will be different. We should move totally away from Garrett’s timing base offense. Can’t wait until we play.

 

[coult44]

Awesome.....@ least I'm not the only person that thinks that this pick is gonna blow up in our faces.

Thought maybe sleeping on it would change my reaction....nope.....Hate it even more. We get lucky to have K'Lavon Chaisson OLB/DE LSU fall into our lap....and Jerry goes for the flair pick. Just insane. So much for McCarthy having any influence.

I’m a HUGE LSU fan. I love “Klaveon” like Roger said lol. He was a beast for us this year and capped it off when he took over the NC. With that being said, he struggled big time against the top tackles he played against. Watch the Georgia and Bama game highlights. He disappeared. The question is why. Size? Arm length? Intimidation? Who knows, but he wasn’t a “slam dunk” either. There are several guys still on the board that will be as good as a Chaisson. There were only a couple guys in the entire draft who will be as good as Lamb.

 

[CATCH17]

What makes you think any other pick would have been a failure? So many called the Fredbeard pick a failure. Time will tell on all these players. You say you are happy but go negative in less than 12 hours. Can only imagine what you think of a player when you are unhappy.

Because you draft on value..


Frederick picks are few and far between and more times when you reach for a player you don’t get Frederick returns on investment.

Travis Frederick is an outlier and he was a reach.

 

[the_h0wey]

First off let me say that if Dallas didn’t pick Lamb or Chaisson then they failed with their pick.

I had Lamb as my best WR in the 1st round but not necessarily the best fit for Dallas.

When I watch Lamb he is an incredible open field runner and he can win 50/50 throws.



Here is some of my concerns:

1. He’s not that great of an athlete..

4.51 40 and 34 inch vertical point to a lack of explosiveness. When you watch him he just kind of floats. He doesn’t have that quick suddenness in his route or a lot of top end speed to separate at the top of routes

2. He played with 3 Heisman candidates in a conference that plays no defense on the best team. We constantly got to watch him play in a ton of space.

3. Dak... Dak tends to like the separation receivers and isn’t going to throw guys open or give his guy chances to make a play on the ball.


Dallas got the pick right.. I’m just not as sold as this being a total slam dunk simply because I’m not 100% sold on what he does translating to the pro’s and our QB’s strengths specifically.

So you had him as your best WR in an extremely good WR draft but you aren't sure if his game will translate to the NFL and you he isn't a good athlete? Lol and blocked

 

[CATCH17]

So you had him as your best WR in an extremely good WR draft but you aren't sure if his game will translate to the NFL and you he isn't a good athlete? Lol and blocked

People that lack reading comprehension skills really suck on this forum.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I say again, Lamb had a 1.46 10-yard split.

For frame of reference, John Ross, owner of the fastest recorded 40 time had a 1.49 split.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Awesome.....@ least I'm not the only person that thinks that this pick is gonna blow up in our faces.

Thought maybe sleeping on it would change my reaction....nope.....Hate it even more. We get lucky to have K'Lavon Chaisson OLB/DE LSU fall into our lap....and Jerry goes for the flair pick. Just insane. So much for McCarthy having any influence.

Chaisson is a bust. 6.5 sacks last season and needed stunts and blown assignments to get like 4 of em. Thats not a 1st round talent. When a guys production doesnt match his talent and athleticism it worries me a lot

 

[CATCH17]

Chaisson is a bust. 6.5 sacks last season and needed stunts and blown assignments to get like 4 of em. Thats not a 1st round talent. When a guys production doesnt match his talent and athleticism it worries me a lot

You hated the LVE pick too.

The problem is you don’t factor in potential upside and you focus too much on college production when their situations are all so different.

Chaisson had a lot of LVE elements that points to huge boom potential at the next level.

If you actually watch him he shows all of the traits and then some for what you want and he isn’t even old enough to buy a beer..

 

[freemanjc19]

First off let me say that if Dallas didn’t pick Lamb or Chaisson then they failed with their pick.

I had Lamb as my best WR in the 1st round but not necessarily the best fit for Dallas.

When I watch Lamb he is an incredible open field runner and he can win 50/50 throws.



Here is some of my concerns:

1. He’s not that great of an athlete..

4.51 40 and 34 inch vertical point to a lack of explosiveness. When you watch him he just kind of floats. He doesn’t have that quick suddenness in his route or a lot of top end speed to separate at the top of routes

2. He played with 3 Heisman candidates in a conference that plays no defense on the best team. We constantly got to watch him play in a ton of space.

3. Dak... Dak tends to like the separation receivers and isn’t going to throw guys open or give his guy chances to make a play on the ball.


Dallas got the pick right.. I’m just not as sold as this being a total slam dunk simply because I’m not 100% sold on what he does translating to the pro’s and our QB’s strengths specifically.

The thing about numbers and combines results don't measure is the williness to compete. What a player does onthe field is what matters. Just watch the tape it doesn't lie. Larry Fitgerlad ran a 4.63, Jerry Rice ran a 4.71, Cris Carter ran a 4.63 Anquan Boldin ran a 4.71 and Chad Johnson ran a 4.57. Don't concern your self with 40 times. If you want a trait that is important but can't be measure is the ability to control your speed. That how you get separation. Porchse said it best: SPEED IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL. Lamb gives you that and more.

 

[cowboyed]

Awesome.....@ least I'm not the only person that thinks that this pick is gonna blow up in our faces.

Thought maybe sleeping on it would change my reaction....nope.....Hate it even more. We get lucky to have K'Lavon Chaisson OLB/DE LSU fall into our lap....and Jerry goes for the flair pick. Just insane. So much for McCarthy having any influence.

That's coprolitical prose, floaty. The majority of commentators/analysts have lauded picking Lamb for his outstanding receiver skills and as being the BPA. Also if you listened to the post draft press conference McCarthy clearly stated he voted for this pick in the first round. This implies selection of players is by committee not just Jerry, and I am certain McCarthy is not covering up for Jerry, if that is where you want to go next.

In fact this plays right into McCarthy's BPA draft selection philosophy that he has been espousing since joining the Cowboys.

 

[Hennessy_King]

You hated the LVE pick too.

The problem is you don’t factor in potential upside and you focus too much on college production when their situations are all so different.

Chaisson had a lot of LVE elements that points to huge boom potential at the next level.

If you actually watch him he shows all of the traits and then some for what you want and he isn’t even old enough to buy a beer..

Yup LVE had the neck issue and wasnt great coming downhill. Both things that already raised their ugly head. Evans who i liked imporved on his rookie season last year. Both right now i consider very comparable. Give it a couple more years and holla at me. Drafting a guy in the first round on traits is bad drafting period.

 

[stinkface]

Reminds me a bit of A. J. Green. Tested pretty much the same. I think he is a better runner after the catch then A. J. If he was what AJ was (and may be again) then its a damn good pick.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Because you draft on value..


Frederick picks are few and far between and more times when you reach for a player you don’t get Frederick returns on investment.

Travis Frederick is an outlier and he was a reach.

It depends on the definition of the vague term value. Shall we just wait for you to tell us which player is best value based on your crystal ball?

What makes Lamb or Chaisson best value there? The Lamb pick will be graded based on how he performs the next 5 years not on his value on draft day.

All I can say about the Lamb pick is that it looks like the Cowboys went BPA. Followed their board and did not get greedy trading down. Lamb looks like he can play and will help the offense score more points and is a good insurance policy in case a WR gets injured.