A frustrated Darren Woodson

[Cowboys5217]

It's culture not coaching.

Penalties have been an issue for a long time, it's certainly not a Mike McCarthy thing. Want a different result gotta change the culture Jerry built. Maybe Jimmy getting into the ring is a start, hiring a real GM would be the next step.

It's a culture problem, but not the Cowboys fault. It is a referee culture problem and has been happening to Dallas since the 1960s. It has just finally started to get noticed by the greater football fandom population on social media.

The Micah Parsons situation and the lack of respect from the officials to even call one holding against opponents of the guy is a stark example.

The refs have called Dallas for more penalties than other team over the last 23 years, and there have been more high profile, championship and SB derailing blown calls against Dallas than any other franchise, and by a quite a bit.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Bringing these numbers up again since they fit here so well with other stuff already pointed out.

2000-2022 Seasons with 100 or more penalties
Dallas: 18 of 23 (last in the NFL)
Green Bay: 11
Pittsburgh:9

2000-2022 Seasons with 80 or less penalties
Dallas: 0 (last in the NFL)
Green Bay: 4
Pittsburgh: 3

If the calls "even out over time" was true then those numbers would not be so far out line as 23 years and over 300 games is surely enough time for the officiating to even out.

This does not even take into account the lack of respect from officials when it comes to no calls like how Parsons is being treated as well as Tony Romo being around 2000% less likely to get a roughing the passer call than Brady or Rodgers, and the several streaks of games with zero holding penalties called against opponents of the Cowboys, one of which reached 8 straight games.

These numbers are proof of a greater referee bias culture against the Cowboys. There is simply no other way to explain it. The Cowboys just don't magically happen to always be penalty magnets while their opponents go months without holding calls regardless of staff and players unless there is malfeasance that is a policy of the NFL itself.

 

[XXLMike]

It's less coaching than it is culture. The culture that Jerrah creates. I feel Coaches we have here could do better in an environment where they are allowed to get the respect needed to be the leaders.

No argument here we’ve had a losing culture for 30 years.

I’m gonna tell you this the New York Rangers won the Stanley Cup in 1994 after 54 years of drought from the start of World War II 1940.
They had tons of money they had big stars year after year they would add all kinds of players every year at the trade deadline. They would get close, but they never got over the hump until they brought in a bona fide winning superstar in Mark Messier who knew how to change the culture.

It’s a little bit different in football, however, poor culture lackadaisical performances still exist.

Remember, when Bill Parcells took over the Cowboys, the first thing he did was rip all the phones out of the room and got rid of televisions and video games.

Called it club med - ironically that’s what players in the NHL used to call Madison Square Garden before the Rangers won the Stanley Cup.

 

[Blackrain]

I was thinking before the game that their was no way in hell the NFL was going to allow Buffalo to be eliminated from the playoffs. That game was pretty much a must win for Buffalo to stay alive.

And now you're onto something Buffalo and Miami play the last game of the season and the league no doubt once that to be for the AFC North title so although we had to give up the game to the bills which is probably why things look so strange in that game like not throwing the flag on an obvious fumble and running into the kicker we will get help this week when we play Miami because Miami has to lose this week so their record is closer to the bills

 

[JustChip]

Keep throwing those insults lol.

What is a coach supposed to do about a player not false starting? "Hey Tyron, don't do that!!!!"

I believe it because it is true. They are professional athletes, there's nothing a coach can say/do that they haven't experience 1,000 times already.

That’s true in most circumstances, but there are some exceptions. I don’t remember if the Cowboys had a timeout in Philly after getting the 1st and goal at the 6, but that’s a prime time for the coach to huddle up and review what they need to do and not do, like taking a sack, or heighten focus to not false start. It’s a fine line because you don’t want to get doubts in a players head.

BTW, wasn’t it Parcells that said “I don’t coach penalties?”

 

[plymkr]

Accountability like you guys fetishize doesn't exist in salary cap leagues.

Just out of curiosity. What do you think the answer is? Why do we lead the league, or at the top of the league, in penalties ? If it’s not a conspiracy against us by the refs then what is it? How can we be undisciplined for so long but other teams in the salary cap era are disciplined?

 

[G2]

Man some of these calls are wild though and there is no consistency.

2 of those calls lead to 14 points after we got the stop.

The calls they call or don't...I can't really comment on. It's inconsistent at best. We were down 21 points from penalties early. I mean, maybe if there's an "Underdog II" movie coming out, but how do you recover that mess?

McCarthy overdressed!

 

[DandyDon52]

You guys may forget these ex cowboys have seen the same past 28 years we have ! lol it doesnt surprise me, except if he said it publicly.

 

[DandyDon52]

Just out of curiosity. What do you think the answer is? Why do we lead the league, or at the top of the league, in penalties ? If it’s not a conspiracy against us by the refs then what is it? How can we be undisciplined for so long but other teams in the salary cap era are disciplined?

no jerry, and they hire better HC's on average. Coaches determine penaltiy levels, and much of the culture, attitude, motivation etc

 

[Sarge]

Many of us have been saying the exact same thing…

 

[Captain-Crash]

Well if he didn't like it, maybe he needs to find another loser team to follow. sheesh

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Just out of curiosity. What do you think the answer is? Why do we lead the league, or at the top of the league, in penalties ? If it’s not a conspiracy against us by the refs then what is it? How can we be undisciplined for so long but other teams in the salary cap era are disciplined?

Penalties like holding and PI are either random or refs intentionally manipulating games, for whatever reason. Refs choose when they want to call those penalties.

The idea that the Cowboys offensive line, for instance, is significantly less disciplined than the Giants is silly.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

That’s true in most circumstances, but there are some exceptions. I don’t remember if the Cowboys had a timeout in Philly after getting the 1st and goal at the 6, but that’s a prime time for the coach to huddle up and review what they need to do and not do, like taking a sack, or heighten focus to not false start. It’s a fine line because you don’t want to get doubts in a players head.

BTW, wasn’t it Parcells that said “I don’t coach penalties?”

It was a dead ball coming off of the defense jumping offsides. Using a timeout there (they didn't have one anyways), would be really dumb.

Its like when Jason Garrett iced his own kicker.

 

[eromeopolk]

Darren is firmly in the Jimmy and Bill way of doing things

Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[plymkr]

Penalties like holding and PI are either random or refs intentionally manipulating games, for whatever reason. Refs choose when they want to call those penalties.

The idea that the Cowboys offensive line, for instance, is significantly less disciplined than the Giants is silly.

So you believe it’s a referee issue. I’ve been saying the refs manipulate the games against for about 10 years now. I’ve been called an excuse maker, conspiracy theorist, etc. I’m glad someone sees it the same way.

 

[Chasing6]

Darren is firmly in the Jimmy and Bill way of doing things

Darren and Jimmy had no salary cap.

 

[Sully]

On the Cowboys storyline podcast;

Just ripped the Cowboys for taking too many penalties and said this is going to bite us big-time in the playoffs. And if you don’t think so, you’re lost. The host just sat there and stared at him.

And he finished with “ that’s coaching”

That’s all I needed to hear you get exactly what he saying.

You can stack up all the 12 seasons you want but if you continue to lead the league and penalties, it doesn’t mean a hill of S.

Enough is enough now - it’s a disgrace.

If you criticize anything of the Cowboys you are mocked so get ready Mr. Woodson

 

[plasticman]

Teams that are scared of their HC commit less penalties.

Actually, I don't know if that's true.

However, I do know that from 2020 to 2023, the best teams don't have too many penalties, nor do they have too few. Statistically speaking, the best teams are ranked around 15-20 for that 4 year time period. Those teams are the Bucs, 49ers and Ravens. The Cowboys have the 2nd most penalties for those four years in which McCarthy has been HC.

The same is also true for 1992 to 1995. When it came to penalties the Cowboys were middle of the pack right nest to teams like the Bills, 49ers, and Packers.

Prior to McCarthy, from 2015 to 2019, the Cowboys were ranked 21st. Interestingly, their opponents had the 2nd fewest.