A frustrated Darren Woodson

[jblaze2004]

The thing is holding and etc the refs could call on every play. I am rewatching I've seen quite a few holds on the bills runs that the refs just didn't call for some reason.

The bills used a lot of cuts and misdirection to get guys moving one way and end up running the opposite way. Even pre-snap motions got our linebackers in terrible positions.

We could not stop the plays where they pulled their tackle to run on the opposite side of the field. It was a bad day. They ran use to death on the edges.

 

[Rockport]

The 5 least penalized teams in the league are Vegas, chargers, Cincinnati, Minnesota and commanders. I dint think they are the standard for coaching lol so you may have a point

Have you actually watched the games? Penalties play a large part in all loses except the niner loss.

 

[Roland]

Ok? Penalties have to be called.

They're not a problem when the other team gets called for the same garbage too - Dallas blows those teams out (i.e. Philly).

Micah has gone 160-something reps without getting a holding call, and we're going to sit here and act like Dallas has a penalty problem lol

I saw TJ Watt not get a call when 2 or 3 were blocking him, and 1 of them had their arms wrapped around him like so it looked like he was hugging him. I dont think Micah gets these call because it is usually 2 or 3 folks blocking him anyway. Just my opinion but maybe the refs hold on to that flag instead of throwing it because of that. If he were getting 1 on 1 more often (which would be crazy for the OL to let happen) then MAYBE he gets more calls. Just my thoughts

 

[G2]

Is it legal for a team to fine players for idiotic penalties, such as pre-snap ones?

I feel like there's no excuse at the NFL level.

 

[MarcusRock]

I saw TJ Watt not get a call when 2 or 3 were blocking him, and 1 of them had their arms wrapped around him like so it looked like he was hugging him. I dont think Micah gets these call because it is usually 2 or 3 folks blocking him anyway. Just my opinion but maybe the refs hold on to that flag instead of throwing it because of that. If he were getting 1 on 1 more often (which would be crazy for the OL to let happen) then MAYBE he gets more calls. Just my thoughts

Funny you say that. A double team block is one of the holding exceptions many don't know about where a hold DOES take place but won't be called unless certain actions happen. Below are those holding exceptions but nice to see someone actually notice a pattern and speak on it.

RULE 12 PLAYER CONDUCT​

SECTION 1 BLOCKING, USE OF HANDS AND ARMS​

ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER.​

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Blocking Notes:​

(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, Offensive holding will not be called:​

(a) if the runner is being tackled simultaneously by any defensive player;​

(b) if the runner simultaneously goes out of bounds;​

(c) if a fair catch is made simultaneously;​

(e) if the action occurs away from the point of attack and not within close-line play;​

(f) if a free kick results in a touchback;​

(g) if a scrimmage kick simultaneously becomes a touchback;​

(h) if the action is part of a double team block, unless the defender splits the double team, gets to the outside of either​

blocker, or is taken to the ground; or​

(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position​

that would normally be holding, unless and until the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action.​

(2) If a blocker falls on or pushes down a defender whose momentum is carrying him to the ground, Offensive holding will​

not be called unless the blocker prevents the defender from rising from the ground.​

(3) If the official has not seen the entire action that sends a defender to the ground, Offensive holding will not be called.​

 

[Ranching]

So many ways to instill discipline and accountability.

Penalties come from being aggressive...we have to be aggressive with our small defense.....we need more size.
Zac was protecting his QB.....he should have checked himself, but I won't blame him...he did what any man would do.

 

[big dog cowboy]

if continue to lead the league and penalties, it doesn’t mean a hill of S.

Enough is enough now - it’s a disgrace.

Been saying that for years. New HC, nothing changes.

 

[charron]

I'm sorry how does Jerry change the culture of holding penalties?

If anything, they get more just because he's the owner which...proves the point that refs are biased against them.

I do not believe refs give more because Jerry is the owner but because the players are coddled by Jerry and knowing that there is no real consequence for their lack of discipline when they slip up. What's any coach really going to say to a bunch of alpha type athletes....nothing cause h is powerless to even bench a player.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I do not believe refs give more because Jerry is the owner but because the players are coddled by Jerry and knowing that there is no real consequence for their lack of discipline when they slip up. What's any coach really going to say to a bunch of alpha type athletes....nothing cause h is powerless to even bench a player.

This is...the entirety of professional sports. It's not a Cowboys thign.

 

[ottawacowpoke]

One thing I’m sick of is our D getting called for lining up in the neutral zone. That should be easily fixable but keeps happening. It drives me crazy

 

[Roland]

Funny you say that. A double team block is one of the holding exceptions many don't know about where a hold DOES take place but won't be called unless certain actions happen. Below are those holding exceptions but nice to see someone actually notice a pattern and speak on it.

RULE 12 PLAYER CONDUCT​

SECTION 1 BLOCKING, USE OF HANDS AND ARMS​

ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER.​

.​

.​

Blocking Notes:​

(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, Offensive holding will not be called:​

(a) if the runner is being tackled simultaneously by any defensive player;​

(b) if the runner simultaneously goes out of bounds;​

(c) if a fair catch is made simultaneously;​

(e) if the action occurs away from the point of attack and not within close-line play;​

(f) if a free kick results in a touchback;​

(g) if a scrimmage kick simultaneously becomes a touchback;​

(h) if the action is part of a double team block, unless the defender splits the double team, gets to the outside of either​

blocker, or is taken to the ground; or​

(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position​

that would normally be holding, unless and until the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action.​

(2) If a blocker falls on or pushes down a defender whose momentum is carrying him to the ground, Offensive holding will​

not be called unless the blocker prevents the defender from rising from the ground.​

(3) If the official has not seen the entire action that sends a defender to the ground, Offensive holding will not be called.​

So it would seem teams are getting away with it against Micah alot because of H and I

 

[Runwildboys]

Funny you say that. A double team block is one of the holding exceptions many don't know about where a hold DOES take place but won't be called unless certain actions happen. Below are those holding exceptions but nice to see someone actually notice a pattern and speak on it.

RULE 12 PLAYER CONDUCT​

SECTION 1 BLOCKING, USE OF HANDS AND ARMS​

ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER.​

.​

.​

Blocking Notes:​

(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, Offensive holding will not be called:​

(a) if the runner is being tackled simultaneously by any defensive player;​

(b) if the runner simultaneously goes out of bounds;​

(c) if a fair catch is made simultaneously;​

(e) if the action occurs away from the point of attack and not within close-line play;​

(f) if a free kick results in a touchback;​

(g) if a scrimmage kick simultaneously becomes a touchback;​

(h) if the action is part of a double team block, unless the defender splits the double team, gets to the outside of either​

blocker, or is taken to the ground; or​

(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position​

that would normally be holding, unless and until the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action.​

(2) If a blocker falls on or pushes down a defender whose momentum is carrying him to the ground, Offensive holding will​

not be called unless the blocker prevents the defender from rising from the ground.​

(3) If the official has not seen the entire action that sends a defender to the ground, Offensive holding will not be called.​

So it's okay to hold someone, as long as you already have a numbers advantage? What kind of reasoning do they use for that?

 

[Ranching]

Woodson is talking crap try and be relevant enough to make the HOF. Like he never lost a game! Lol

 

[1942willys]

Need to tweak the rules so that when a OFFENSIVE player has a DEFENSIVE player in a bear hug
IT IS HOLDING NO MATTER WHAT

 

[MarcusRock]

So it would seem teams are getting away with it against Micah alot because of H and I

Yes. Letter (i) is what is probably the culprit when you hear people say that Micah was in a head lock. Chances are he used a rip move to get there which, until this year it seems, was his favorite move to the QB so I can see he's adjusted. Doesn't mean he's abandoned it so it still happens and people still think they see a hold when there isn't one.

 

[MarcusRock]

So it's okay to hold someone, as long as you already have a numbers advantage? What kind of reasoning do they use for that?

Yes, that is a bit weird for sure and that would be my strategy on Micah all game long.

 

[Jake]

Woody is my favorite player and he is wrong.

If the hold on Tyler Smith is a penalty, then the Bills should have been called for about a dozen holds.

The only bad penalty was the Williams one.

Of course, you want them to lose so you can point to things like this, but, ya know, you're wrong.

Woody is not wrong. This isn't about one call or one game. The Cowboys lead the league in penalties since Mike became head coach.

You can think the refs are just out to get the Cowboys, but they haven't led the league in penalties for 25 years in a row. It's recent.

 

[1942willys]

Woody is not wrong. This isn't about one call or one game. The Cowboys lead the league in penalties since Mike became head coach.

You can think the refs are just out to get the Cowboys, but they haven't led the league in penalties for 25 years in a row. It's recent.

I am pretty sure we were among the league leaders in penalties when Ginger was here as well

 

[tunahelper]

Woody is my favorite player and he is wrong.

If the hold on Tyler Smith is a penalty, then the Bills should have been called for about a dozen holds.

The only bad penalty was the Williams one.

Of course, you want them to lose so you can point to things like this, but, ya know, you're wrong.

I hear you and agree some bad penalties we called against us. However this team routinely shoots themselves in the foot with penalties and it is on the coaches.

That includes coach Jerry.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Woody is not wrong. This isn't about one call or one game. The Cowboys lead the league in penalties since Mike became head coach.

You can think the refs are just out to get the Cowboys, but they haven't led the league in penalties for 25 years in a row. It's recent.

They're always among the leaders. More importantly, they're among the leaders in penalty differential. By net yards:

2015: 19 (17)
2016: -123 (25)
2017: -59 (21)
2018: -190 (29)
2019: -153 (25)
2020: -116 (25)
2021: -161 (26)
2022: 8 (14)
2023: -45 (17)

Every year, no matter how good or bad they are, they are disadvantaged by the referees. And that's not counting things like timing of penalties, where they happen on the field, or just nonsense like the Dez catch, the snap infraction that cost them a game against Washington, or the Zeke suspension. The cowboys only rank 10th in pre-snap penalties this year, it's not like they're some outlier.

By contrast, here's the Giants.

2015: 300 (2)
2016: 26 (17)
2017: 28 (15)
2018: -32 (24)
2019: 151 (8)
2020: 37 (17)
2021: 140 (7)
2022: -20 (17)
2023: 107 (8)

There is just no justification for this gap. Every year the Giants get better results from the officials. They're not well coached, they don't have talent.