A quick look at current NFL QB's

[ScipioCowboy]

The only time I can truly say that Romo choked, is in the Seattle loss. But honestly, he's the only reason we got there, and if Grammatica would have thrown ONE block then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Criticizing Romo for the Seattle playoff loss is understandable. But he's one of the last players who deserves blame for the New York playoff loss.

 

[RainMan]

Criticizing Romo for the Seattle playoff loss is understandable. But he's one of the last players who deserves blame for the New York playoff loss.

Truthfully, it's Romo's bobbled snap and his December swoons that feeds the choker image. Nothing else IMO. He's won games with late heroics in the regular season, and he's played acceptably well in playoff games. But critics will take that bobbled snap and his December record to their grave until he does something to reverse the trend.

By the way, I'm always wondering when Brees and Palmer -- universally considered two of the league's top five quarterbacks -- will be criticized for their inability to win big games? They have one playoff victory between them. Granted, they play for historically bad franchises, but that is not a free pass when ranking players' individual achievements and talents.

 

[THUMPER]

I think people like Brees so much because of his recent production. Early in his career he was problematic and this makes his overall stats look mediocre. But for the last couple of years he has been on fire. That is why he throws the ball "a million times a season" - he's good at it. If you put him on a team which actually played some defense, his playoff record might look much better.

But Brees has a losing record in December the last two seasons, yet people give him a break because his "defense let him down". When you point out that the Cowboys defense fell apart late in the season they call that making excuses for Romo.

Don't get me wrong, I think Drew Brees is an excellent QB, I just don't get how people can be so high on him and so down on Romo and Brees is very similar in the very things they dog Romo for. Then for reasons that make absolutely no sense whatsoever, they discount Philip Rivers even though he has out produced Brees.

I don't get it is all.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't think it has anything to do with any specific games. He slides downhill at the end of the year.

Who has the sig with his stats prior to December compared to his stats after December?

For whatever reason, his play has been far worse at the end of the season than it has at the beginning. Because the end of the season is where the playoffs are decided, he gets the choker label.

He has to prove people wrong. The more he doesn't the worse its going to get. Nobody will ever let him slide until he has some postseason success.

 

[RainMan]

But Brees has a losing record in December the last two seasons, yet people give him a break because his "defense let him down". When you point out that the Cowboys defense fell apart late in the season they call that making excuses for Romo.

Don't get me wrong, I think Drew Brees is an excellent QB, I just don't get how people can be so high on him and so down on Romo and Brees is very similar in the very things they dog Romo for. Then for reasons that make absolutely no sense whatsoever, they discount Philip Rivers even though he has out produced Brees.

I don't get it is all.

Agreed. Either excuses are allowed, or they aren't. If Brees gets them, then so does Romo.

Side note on Brees that might interest only me: He had QB ratings in the 60s in six of his 16 games last season. Not coincidentally, all six games were losses.

 

[Silverstar]

If Dallas doesn't win a playoff game this season, I wouldn't be surprised if Jones drafted a QB in the 1st round...especially with all those 2010 prospects. Romo could be traded to the Saints for a high pick and rejoin his almer mater buddy Sean Payton for example. Too hard to imagine for you? Is it really?

I tell you what, it's hard to argue against it with recent SB results...

2005 Rothburger - 1st rounder
2006 Peyton - 1st rounder
2007 Eli - 1st rounder
2008 Rothburger - 1st rounder

Rivers and McNabb going to the playoffs with regularity and then throw in Ryan and Flacco's success last year...the hour glass looms large for the undrafted 0-2 in playoffs Tony Romo. He'll either rise to the occasion and silence critics the way Eli did or exit valley ranch as a failed experiment, Parcells apparently agreed to in 2003. If Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers lead their teams to winning records or God forbid a playoff berth! ....Jerry will go nuts!

This is it Romo!!!


no pressure......

 

[Texan_Eph89]

It's not TOs fault Romo threw into 3 Steeler players for his first interception in the Steeler game. Thats Romo for ya. Who cares about stats? Brady didn't have the stats until Randy came to town. Ben threw for 30 plus tds without a legit pro bowl wr unlike Tony. Lets really talk facts here. Ben>>Tony no matter how you slice it. I would be a happy man if we could trade for him right now, and im pretty sure Mr. Jones would happily do that trade too.

Hines Ward anyone?
Plus Santonio Holmes isn't too shabby.
Oh and there was Plaxico Burress earlier this decade.
Ben had solid targets.
JJ would not trade Romo for Big Ben, sorry to disappoint you.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Criticizing Romo for the Seattle playoff loss is understandable. But he's one of the last players who deserves blame for the New York playoff loss.

I would argue the contra until the last bit of oxygen is used from this planet.

34-32's grand defense that hadn't stopped crap all game long was part to blame. The idiot who called that pass to Terry Glenn on the 2 was part to blame. The fact that Seattle had a starting safety who was the week before a loan officer and was hardly targeted all game was part to blame.

The fact that the NFL changed every rule regarding how the K-Balls are handled might lead you to think that only Romo was to blame on that bobbled, then dropped, snap. The fact that Michaels and Madden did a 90 second piece about that ball showing side by side photos of the obvious differences between the normal K ball and the doctored K ball Romo bobbled on a prime time NFL broadcast obviously makes it Romo's fault.

There was 1:30 left on the clock if Romo scores. The defensive scheme we employeed hadn't stopped anything and Seattle had time outs left ONLY needing a FG to win it. Yet, Romo was totally at fault.

The fact that the elite QB that is Rex freaking Grossman hung over 300 yards passing on Seattle the next week ought to tell you how poorly that fat piece of crap slob that is Bill Parcells game planned to win that game.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

I've said it before. Folks who begrudge Eli's performance in the SB winning year are just sucking sour grapes - he was outstanding in the playoffs that year and led game winning drives at the end of 3 of the 4 games.

I hate Eli, but to act like he was lucky is just 100% ignorant.

Yes, it was his metaphysical skillz that he used to channel unseen brain disturbance waves to Asante Samuel so that he'd drop a sure game ending interception that hit him in the hands. Eli is good like that.

Blindly throwing up a pass on fourth down while the officials are out of place with replays showing illegal hands to the face and multiple holds and no flags AND the receiver catching it one-handed against his helmet without it getting jarred loose or the ball hitting the ground just screams how much skill Eli has.

Nope, no luck at all.

 

[Zaxor]

I would argue the contra until the last bit of oxygen is used from this planet.

34-32's grand defense that hadn't stopped crap all game long was part to blame. The idiot who called that pass to Terry Glenn on the 2 was part to blame. The fact that Seattle had a starting safety who was the week before a loan officer and was hardly targeted all game was part to blame.

The fact that the NFL changed every rule regarding how the K-Balls are handled might lead you to think that only Romo was to blame on that bobbled, then dropped, snap. The fact that Michaels and Madden did a 90 second piece about that ball showing side by side photos of the obvious differences between the normal K ball and the doctored K ball Romo bobbled on a prime time NFL broadcast obviously makes it Romo's fault.

There was 1:30 left on the clock if Romo scores. The defensive scheme we employeed hadn't stopped anything and Seattle had time outs left ONLY needing a FG to win it. Yet, Romo was totally at fault.

The fact that the elite QB that is Rex freaking Grossman hung over 300 yards passing on Seattle the next week ought to tell you how poorly that fat piece of crap slob that is Bill Parcells game planned to win that game.

Yes, it was his metaphysical skillz that he used to channel unseen brain disturbance waves to Asante Samuel so that he'd drop a sure game ending interception that hit him in the hands. Eli is good like that.

Blindly throwing up a pass on fourth down while the officials are out of place with replays showing illegal hands to the face and multiple holds and no flags AND the receiver catching it one-handed against his helmet without it getting jarred loose or the ball hitting the ground just screams how much skill Eli has.

Nope, no luck at all.

Keep it up and you are likely to become one of my favorite posters

 

[Daudr]

It's not TOs fault Romo threw into 3 Steeler players for his first interception in the Steeler game. Thats Romo for ya. Who cares about stats? Brady didn't have the stats until Randy came to town. Ben threw for 30 plus tds without a legit pro bowl wr unlike Tony. Lets really talk facts here. Ben>>Tony no matter how you slice it. I would be a happy man if we could trade for him right now, and im pretty sure Mr. Jones would happily do that trade too.

Delusional much? No WAY would Jerry - or any other sane person - ever trade Romo for Ben.

Ben is, and always will be, a bus driver with a great defense.

 

[WarDaddy]

I don't think that statement has merit if Romo does manage to win a SB.

Some will say the defense or coaching won it. Just like the OP is doing with Big Ben. He will never fully shed that label but I don't feel like he is a choker personally. I think he's a beast.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yes, it was his metaphysical skillz that he used to channel unseen brain disturbance waves to Asante Samuel so that he'd drop a sure game ending interception that hit him in the hands. Eli is good like that.

Blindly throwing up a pass on fourth down while the officials are out of place with replays showing illegal hands to the face and multiple holds and no flags AND the receiver catching it one-handed against his helmet without it getting jarred loose or the ball hitting the ground just screams how much skill Eli has.

Nope, no luck at all.

Good QB's NEVER get lucky on any single play. They just totally rock it on every snap. The fact is that you can point to ANY Qb's performance and pick out great offensive plays by other players, missed calls, and dropped picks.

Every. Single. QB. In. The. League.

 

[Future]

Ben is better than Romo will ever be. His "defense" got shredded by the Cardinals and he led a game winning touchdown drive. You Romo defenders kill me.

Ben is more disciplined, but he does not have the talent or playmaking ability that Romo does...not by a long shot.

I think people like Brees so much because of his recent production. Early in his career he was problematic and this makes his overall stats look mediocre. But for the last couple of years he has been on fire. That is why he throws the ball "a million times a season" - he's good at it. If you put him on a team which actually played some defense, his playoff record might look much better.

I don't have the stats...but I'd be willing to bet that Brees has thrown more 4th quarter INTs than any other QB during his tenure with the Saints. IDK how many times I've been watching NFL Primetime and a Saints drive to tie or win comes ends up with an INT.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Apparently, only 6 current NFL quarterbacks are not chokers. Listed below are the quarterbacks who have won, which SB(s) they won, and how long it took them in the NFL to do it:

Tom Brady won SB36, 38, 39 (cheater) --- 2 years.
Brett Favre won SB31 --- 5 years.
Ben Roethlisberger won SB40, 43 (refs, defense won them) --- 2 years.
Peyton Manning won SB41 --- 8 years.
Eli Manning won SB42 (luck) --- 4 years.
Kurt Warner won SB34 --- 6 years.

Three of them honestly shouldn't have won. Eli got lucky with a ridiculous catch by an unknown WR, Ben received free rings by his defense and the officials, and the Patriots were caught cheating. So I guess the mediots have a lot of catching up to do, considering they focus most of their time on only one being a "choke artist".

These quarterbacks played on Super Bowl winning teams, bottom line.

To try to discredit them by saying the cheated, were aided by refs, etc, just makes your argument look weak.

 

[DallasEast]

If Dallas doesn't win a playoff game this season, I wouldn't be surprised if Jones drafted a QB in the 1st round...especially with all those 2010 prospects. Romo could be traded to the Saints for a high pick and rejoin his almer mater buddy Sean Payton for example. Too hard to imagine for you? Is it really?

I tell you what, it's hard to argue against it with recent SB results...

2005 Rothburger - 1st rounder
2006 Peyton - 1st rounder
2007 Eli - 1st rounder
2008 Rothburger - 1st rounder

Rivers and McNabb going to the playoffs with regularity and then throw in Ryan and Flacco's success last year...the hour glass looms large for the undrafted 0-2 in playoffs Tony Romo. He'll either rise to the occasion and silence critics the way Eli did or exit valley ranch as a failed experiment, Parcells apparently agreed to in 2003. If Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers lead their teams to winning records or God forbid a playoff berth! ....Jerry will go nuts!

This is it Romo!!!


no pressure......

That's a good argument. Jerry Jones has been known to copycat as a general manager, but would his recent memory stop only with the last four Super Bowls? Let's look at winning quarterbacks between those whom you mentioned and the last, great, back-to-back, Super Bowl winning 1st rounder, John Elway:

2004: Tom Brady, 6th rounder
2003: Tom Brady, 6th rounder
2002: Brad Johnson, 9th rounder
2001: Tom Brady, 6th rounder
2000: Trent Dilfer, 1st rounder
1999: Kurt Warner, undrafted

It could be said that by the time Dilfer QB'ed the Ravens to a championship, he was more of a first rounder by title only. In my opinion, Jones' mind sees Romo has having the type of success as a certain 6th rounder or even an undrafted one.

One other mentionable: If Elway had enjoyed a more balanced offense, competent defense and reliable special teams early in his career, he would've netted several Super Bowls well-before the two he finally won at the end of his career.

 

[casmith07]

Eli was very good in the 2007 playoffs.

Furthermore, I actually like Eli...and his brother.

::runs and hides::

:laugh2:

not a fan of Eli at all, but a huge fan of Peyton Manning. Only Peyton Manning can see the defense like the Coach Cam on Madden :

 

[CutMeMick]

By far, this is one of the most moronic, bitter, apologist, "sour-grapes" filled OP & threads, thats ever been written.

The immaturity displayed in the "arguments" presented against SB winning QB's, are too numerous to mention.

Suffice it to say that Romo, like Elway before him, & Dan Fouts, & our own Danny White, & Steve Young, & Dan Marino, & every other QB who's ever called signals in this league, will be forever judged on whether he ever wins the big one.
Period.

Everything else is just white noise, providing distractions during these dog days of summer.

To put it bluntly, until further notice: ROMO IS A CHOKE ARTIST!:fact:

Now of course, he'll have plenty of chances to prove all of the doubters wrong. But till then, thats his label.

Therefore, you can continue to call out every SB champ QB in the league if that makes you feel better. But what they've done is what Romo has been unable to do, so far.
And thats win the big game.

Grow up.....& get over it!:cry2: :bang3:

 

[RainMan]

By far, this is one of the most moronic, bitter, apologist, "sour-grapes" filled OP & threads, I've ever read.

The immaturity displayed in the "arguments" presented against SB winning QB's, are too numerous to mention.

Suffice it to say that Romo, like Elway before him, & Fouts, & our own Danny White, & SteveYoung, & every other QB who's ever called signals in this league, will be forever judged on whether he ever wins the big one.
Period.

Everything else is just white noise, providing distractions during these dog days of summer.

To put it bluntly: ROMO IS A CHOKE ARTIST!:fact:

Now of course, he'll have plenty of chances to prove all of the doubters wrong. But till then, thats his label.

Therefore, you can continue to call out every SB champ QB in the league if that makes you feel better. But what they have done is what Romo has been unable to do, so far.
And thats win the big game.

Grow up.....& get over it!:cry2: :bang3:

While your post comes across a little harshly, I agree with your points.

Romo's not the first to be called a choke artist, and plenty before him have gone on to blow that label away.

The good news? I like Romo's chances of doing joining those who have erased the label. I think he has the ability to do it, and I think his mental makeup is more well grounded than people like to admit.

 

[sureletsrace]

By far, this is one of the most moronic, bitter, apologist, "sour-grapes" filled OP & threads, thats ever been written.

The immaturity displayed in the "arguments" presented against SB winning QB's, are too numerous to mention.

Suffice it to say that Romo, like Elway before him, & Dan Fouts, & our own Danny White, & Steve Young, & Dan Marino, & every other QB who's ever called signals in this league, will be forever judged on whether he ever wins the big one.
Period.

Everything else is just white noise, providing distractions during these dog days of summer.

To put it bluntly, until further notice: ROMO IS A CHOKE ARTIST!:fact:

Now of course, he'll have plenty of chances to prove all of the doubters wrong. But till then, thats his label.

Therefore, you can continue to call out every SB champ QB in the league if that makes you feel better. But what they've done is what Romo has been unable to do, so far.
And thats win the big game.

Grow up.....& get over it!:cry2: :bang3:

Pure 100% facts and QB stats are white noise. k.