A Statistical look at Dak! He is really good

[visionary]

Were they lucky he lasted until he did?

You bet.

But to say they had absolutely no interest in the kid is hogwash.

What is hogwash is moving the goalposts

No one said "we had no interest in him"
Every single NFL team "had interest in him" but the fact is that we believed Connor Cook was a better choice even at the bottom of the 4th round

Go ahead and spin it any way you want but the fact is this was blind luck and very very little to do with good draft evaluation

 

[Doomsday101]

What you say is true, but how would they know no one would take him in 3rd or high 4th ??
you can gamble, but had they known he was this good, they would not gamble.
I do credit dallas, as they did take him, but the stupidity of other teams helped them out.

It is a cinderella story, and i like that, a lot of things had to happen for us to draft him, and then for him to wind up starting game one.
and then be able to play this many games, and show how good he is.

You don't know and that is fortunate. What is not luck is the hours these teams spend looking at all the prospects out there. Dallas was not going to reach for a player and once they saw Dak sitting in the 4th rd they choose him. Was it Luck we got Witten? sure he was a 3rd rd pick but again Cowboys did their homework and selected him. For all those claiming getting Dak was pure luck? of it is pure luck for all 32 teams but in the end Dallas choose Dak and 31 others didn't.

 

[DandyDon52]

You don't know and that is fortunate. What is not luck is the hours these teams spend looking at all the prospects out there. Dallas was not going to reach for a player and once they saw Dak sitting in the 4th rd they choose him. Was it Luck we got Witten? sure he was a 3rd rd pick but again Cowboys did their homework and selected him. For all those claiming getting Dak was pure luck? of it is pure luck for all 32 teams but in the end Dallas choose Dak and 31 others didn't.

I dont think anyone is saying 100% luck, Dallas obviously did evaluate and think more of dak than any other team.
All I am saying is they didnt know he could be this good starting as a rookie.
They did better than all the other teams, but they still didnt know what they were getting beyond a project player who might
turn into something good later on.

I think many players get overlooked each year, and some never get the chance to play.
Dak could have been a # 3 for years then cut, but injuries gave him a shot and he was ready.

 

[Doomsday101]

I dont think anyone is saying 100% luck, Dallas obviously did evaluate and think more of dak than any other team.
All I am saying is they didnt know he could be this good starting as a rookie.
They did better than all the other teams, but they still didnt know what they were getting beyond a project player who might
turn into something good later on.

I think many players get overlooked each year, and some never get the chance to play.
Dak could have been a # 3 for years then cut, but injuries gave him a shot and he was ready.

I agree, A lot of credit goes to Dak, he has worked hard to put himself in the position he is in. No doubt Romo going down gave Dak the opportunity and while people will claim had Moore not be hurt he would have been the starter. I don't know if that would be the case or not given how how well Dak played during the pre season. Remember Dallas was looking at their option in the FA market up until the point they saw Dak out there proving himself.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What is hogwash is moving the goalposts

No one said "we had no interest in him"
Every single NFL team "had interest in him" but the fact is that we believed Connor Cook was a better choice even at the bottom of the 4th round

Go ahead and spin it any way you want but the fact is this was blind luck and very very little to do with good draft evaluation

Hmm...


No.

 

[DandyDon52]

Well bottom line dallas did pick him, and he did get to be the starter and show what he can do, and we are 7-1 going into pittsburgh !!!!!!!
Thats all that really matters.

 

[DandyDon52]

I agree, A lot of credit goes to Dak, he has worked hard to put himself in the position he is in.

I think this is something people overlook, dak as soon as he was drafted by cowboys started working and hasnt stopped.
I know he was bothered by losing that first game to nyg, his goal was to win each game and keep the starting job.
He did same thing in HS and college.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think this is something people overlook, dak as soon as he was drafted by cowboys started working and hasnt stopped.
I know he was bothered by losing that first game to nyg, his goal was to win each game and keep the starting job.
He did same thing in HS and college.

That is true. Dak still has much to learn but given his desire to win and the willingness to put in that time and effort will benefit him and this team greatly. I don't see a guy getting caught up in the attention he is getting.

 

[DandyDon52]

That is true. Dak still has much to learn but given his desire to win and the willingness to put in that time and effort will benefit him and this team greatly. I don't see a guy getting caught up in the attention he is getting.

he turned down commercials, said it would take away from his work time lol, he is all in on this season, and why I think he deserves to
play it out.

 

[Doomsday101]

he turned down commercials, said it would take away from his work time lol, he is all in on this season, and why I think he deserves to
play it out.

I would have no issue with that at all. However I accept the fact I am a fan and I have no say in this matter. I also like Romo a lot and if coaches see fit to put him in then I expect Romo to go out and produce big for this team. What I think will happen but hope does not happen is fans booing Romo when he does enter the game.

 

[DandyDon52]

What I think will happen but hope does not happen is fans booing Romo when he does enter the game.

that is a possibility, and the media will rip him, if he doesnt play as good as dak has, or if he loses, throws ints, bad passes etc.
To me the negatives outweigh the positives if they put tony in.

smart play is to go all in on dak for this season, and see where it leads.
Dont give sas a xmas present by pulling dak.
SaS says they will screw this up somehow, just a matter of time.

 

[Doomsday101]

that is a possibility, and the media will rip him, if he doesnt play as good as dak has, or if he loses, throws ints, bad passes etc.
To me the negatives outweigh the positives if they put tony in.

smart play is to go all in on dak for this season, and see where it leads.
Dont give sas a xmas present by pulling dak.
SaS says they will screw this up somehow, just a matter of time.

I will just say I will go by what the coaches are seeing and trust their judgement and yes I think Garrett will have a big say in who is starting. I have heard serval arguments pro and con on this subject and I think both sides make good points. In the end the men who are working with these players day in and day out will make the call.

 

[Q_the_man]

Lol
Typical Garrett homies giving him credit for a QB who he did not pick and a player they had ranked lower than Connor Cook that he believed in so much he waited until the 4th Rd comp pick to pick him

Yeah I'm pretty sure Belichek thought Brady was going to be one of the best QBs ever.

Who cares we have Dak and he's performing, leave it at that.

 

[visionary]

Hmm...


No.

I agree
When one gets owned its best to keep quiet

 

[visionary]

Yeah I'm pretty sure Belichek thought Brady was going to be one of the best QBs ever.

Who cares we have Dak and he's performing, leave it at that.

No one says "bellichick" is such a great talent evaluator because he recognized Brady's greatness and picked him in Rd 6, lol

Cowboy fans are happy that Dak is performing well. Point is, he wasn't picked because Garrett was "sold on him as the next franchise QB". It was blind luck.

Garrett homies are trying to make up their own facts

Why can't you "leave it at that"?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree
When one gets owned its best to keep quiet

You bet.

If you "owned" someone.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You can believe that nonsense if it helps you sleep better at night

I talk about knowledge. You talk about belief.

I am not like you. I do not operate on belief except on the most basic level. Try again.

 

[jobberone]

Sometimes you have to sit back and just truly take in how unbelievably lucky we got with this pick. Forget any QB controversy and just realize we now are a contender for the next decade. No need to cycle through a parade of "could bes". We have our guy.

40% of R1 QBs become starters. 40% of R1 are busts. 20% are tweeners. About 1 in 8 of the starters become elite over time. Data is a few yrs old.
In a little over a decade 43 QBs were drafted in R3-7 and 14 became starters but only 5% were successful long term starters and none elite.

 

[jobberone]

Of course if they knew!

I'm mean duh, if the Patriots knew how good Brady... You know the rest.

But it's not like they had no interest what-so-ever.

Wade Wilson spent quite a bit of time with him.

And there were several stories prior to the draft of the Cowboys having interest in him.

To suggest it was straight-out luck is nonsense.

I think he meant we were lucky he was still there in the fourth. We did more homework on Dak than any team in the draft. We wanted Witten, too. We were just as lucky he was still there in the third. I get both of you though.

 

[visionary]

I talk about knowledge. You talk about belief.

I am not like you. I do not operate on belief except on the most basic level. Try again.

Of course after Dak does great things there is a lot of revisionist history by the Cowboys and Garrett homies

What "knowledge" do you have that Garrett thought that Dak was going to be a franchise QB? Were you in the evaluation meetings? Did you scout him for the Cowboys or talk to Garrett about Dak? Do have inside knowledge of what the Cowboys thought of Dak BEFORE THE DRAFT?

What knowledge are you blabbing about exactly?

Please enlighten us

Or better yet, you can do a google search and pretend to be a doctor and tell us how Jaylon Smith is 50-50 to play this year?