A Touch of Hostility...Week 8

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Hostile;3050074 said:
I saw some people who still can't stand Jason Garrett and I have to be honest with you that has me perplexed. The Offense is scoring, mistakes are down, and he is still as hated by some as he was last year when we actually did suck. I suppose it will take a TD on every single drive for him to be good enough. That's ridiculous, but then expectations of the fans sometimes are.
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Romo (& ST) is playing out of his skull right now making Jason's poor coaching a non-issue for the time being.

you should save your homeristic jason blabber until maybe a playoff victory though... beating bad teams in Oct/Nov means little. having no feel for the game means more. Jason's performance tends to dwindle as the season goes on... plus we're 0-1 vs our division.

If you can't see any of that it's pretty scary!
 

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ScipioCowboy;3050098 said:
In my opinion, the biggest difference thus far between this season and last season has been special teams. It may be the primary reason the Cowboys are surrendering fewer points this season.

it pains me to agree with you but I was thinking the same thing. We rarely see long returns against us, far better kick coverage, punt returns, KO returns and two blocks etc

DeCamillis is doing his job
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;3050705 said:
it pains me to agree with you but I was thinking the same thing. We rarely see long returns against us, far better kick coverage, punt returns, KO returns and two blocks etc

DeCamillis is doing his job

It's twice today, actually. We agreed on the Kennedy Assassination.
 

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Hostile;3050074 said:
Someone pinch me. Is Patrick "Fair Catch" Crayton really leading the NFL in Punt Return yardage after 2 straight games with a TD? I'll take my helping of crow deep fried please. I never would have believed that was possible. He has made me eat the crow.

Actually the credit goes to a man who is a walking, talking, butt kicking miracle on our sidelines. Joe DeCamillis has been one of the most refreshing additions to this team in years. I find him to be utterly inspiring. I would love to have played for the man. Instead of dreading Special Teams I find myself believing it is a battle we will automatically win. What an unreal change for this team. Maybe there's some magic in Tom Landry's bullhorn. I don't know what it is, but I couldn't complain about the Special Teams if I wanted to. They are executing.

Speaking of executing, Tony Romo is in a groove right now. For the first time in his career he has 3 straight games without an INT. He did lose a fumble today, but he has protected the ball amazingly well for a guy that more people doubted than believed in just 4 weeks ago when we were 2-2. Three of his four INTs on the season happened in one game that we almost won. I'll take Romo friendly.

I saw some people who still can't stand Jason Garrett and I have to be honest with you that has me perplexed. The Offense is scoring, mistakes are down, and he is still as hated by some as he was last year when we actually did suck. I suppose it will take a TD on every single drive for him to be good enough. That's ridiculous, but then expectations of the fans sometimes are.

I know mine are. Hard for me to confess to that. It is unreal of me to expect some of the things I do. Like the dozen sacks I was expecting to see today. I really did even though I didn't post it. 3 sacks almost left a bad taste in my mouth. I expected more than that from Ware alone. I know better than to do that, but I couldn't help it. The Seattle OL was so patchwork I expected our Defense to go through them like gas through a funnel. Hasselback was pressured today, but not sacked enough or forced into INTs so I was a little bit disappointed. I believed the Defense had turned a corner and was going to start getting those stats in bunches. It doesn't work that way in the NFL and I know it.

Still I am not disappointed in the Defense. I feel like they made some critical stops and when you look at the time of possession and see a nearly nine minute advantage for the Cowboys Offense it is pretty obvious that they performed exactly as they should. I'd like to see the total yardage lower but when I see the yards per rush at 3.6 I know they did their jobs.

The problem is I also see our yards per rush at 3.9 yards. I could be wrong but I think that is our lowest of the season. The Offense has shifted from a run powerhouse early this season to a pass oriented Offense. I understand that because it is working. I would just like to see the run work better than this. 113 yards rushing is pretty meager. I realize a couple of the RBs have been dinged up, but even so they have rushed better than today. I'm not worried about it, but I hope this is the lowest of the season.

Penalties were down again. 5 for 43 yards. That is encouraging. I read that none of the penalties were pre-snap. If that is true (and I honestly wasn't paying attention to that) then that is more than encouraging. It is flat out room for celebration.

Which is where I am when I see this team at 5-2 and tied for the lead in the NFC East. You see, even when we were 2-2 I was sticking to my belief that this is a 12-4 team that will win the NFC East. I took some heat for that from a few friends. I simply refused to budge. A big step in that direction can happen next week if we can beat the Eagles. That hasn't been easy this decade. Andy Reid has been our worst nemesis. Last year to end the season was the worst, but it was hardly the only time he has led his team to prevail.

Last week I posted a thread about November being Tony Romo's best month. Today was a good way for that trend to continue. A division game on the road against a team who has owned us this decade could erase a lot of doubts.

Erasing the doubts has kind of been a theme of this team. A couple of players still need to finish the job. Nothing is better than a clean slate. It's an all new NFC East folks. The battle for bragging rights there begin next week and it is a tough opponent. I couldn't be happier with the momentum right now. 5-2 feels pretty right to me. A solid November could erase a lot of doubts.

I wonder if crow and eagle both taste like chicken? I'm eating my crow, here's hoping the Cowboys serve up some Eagle.

...well i don't think that Barber is 100% and it's questionable if he will be by the end of the season...but he is the better blocker of the three...he just does'nt have the same explosiveness...

...Garrett must be careful to not fall back into the trap of a pass-heavy offense like he did down the stretch last year...i still think that Choice and Jones could see a few more carries per game...the throw to Jones late in the third quarter was what finally broke Seattle...C and J give you more versatility and speed but i'm really just nitpicking here...

...i was pleasantly surprised to see Ratliff in the game...the defense probably wanted the TD to Deion Branch back...Scandrick was in perfect position, he only needed to turn his head back to the ball and it's likely that he could've picked it...Sensabaugh dropped one as well...but again just nitpicking, as the entire defensive unit played pretty well...credit Hasselbeck and a bye week to prepare for Dallas...they came in with a premium on getting rid of the ball quickly and not taking sacks...it worked for a while but the offense just ran away with it...it went pretty much the same way as last year's game...

...the Dallas offense is beginning to remind of the one in New Orleans...they can beat you short, long, side, back and forth...they can bulldoze you with hand to hand combat in the running game, pick you apart underneath and deep six you when you blitz...of particular note is the added dimension of RAC...once Williams gets on the same page with Romo, the Cowboys offense will be a beauty to behold and a terror for defenses to face...he's the final piece of the puzzle...

...when you click in all three phases it's hard to lose ballgames...Crayton has been simply spectacular since his demotion...he did bungle the reverse but man did he make up for it...two td returns in as many weeks...DeCamillas has those guys reported, present and correct...it's been too long since Dallas has had a special teams unit that's a difference maker...

...my only real problem with Garrett, who called a great game btw, was the series where Seattle had them pinned deep around the 5 yard line...they ended up three and out, though Seattle was'nt able to capitalize on the good field position...

Romo has put up three straight plus 100 passer rating games...he's played within himself and kept mistakes to a minimum...he was a little off today but Seattle kept coming after him...Dallas can win championships with the current version of Tony...

...with the demotion of Crayton and the emergence of Austin the chemistry of this team has changed significantly...if they can at least split the next two games they have a chance to be 8-3 to start December...a nice place to be for the final push...
 

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theebs;3050092 said:
oh and No love for bobby carpenter!!!!!! the teams pinata made a big play today. the ticket refers to him as the cowboys seagull because of all his arm flapping when getting the crowd riled up!!! The man deserves credit today.

that has to catch on! if he does turn his career round i vote that this season becomes known as the year of the seagull.
 

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Someone pinch me. Is Patrick "Fair Catch" Crayton really leading the NFL in Punt Return yardage after 2 straight games with a TD? I'll take my helping of crow deep fried please. I never would have believed that was possible. He has made me eat the crow.

Save some for me Hos.

I still cannot believe Crayton can break any type of punt.
 

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I need proof before I change my opinion about people.....the Ginger to me, needs to prove he can handle a struggling Tony Romo if he faces an excellent secondary. Tony won't always be flawless, and when he drops a few INT's or gets some receivers unable to get open the Ginger needs to switch to a potent running game.....but he won't, he'll keep forcing the pass and stalling the drives.

I'm not a hop on peoples bandwagon kind of dude....I wanna see a trend, and I wanna see Garrett adapt to a strong secondary! I know he won't....I know in my heart

I would LOVE to eat my crow on this one
 

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CrazyCowboy;3050845 said:
Save some for me Hos.

I still cannot believe Crayton can break any type of punt.

It's all about the blocking when Crayton springs a return on a punt. Plus, the special teams penalties have been few and far between lately, which is a pleasant surprise.
 

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chinch;3050696 said:
:laugh2:

Romo (& ST) is playing out of his skull right now making Jason's poor coaching a non-issue for the time being.

you should save your homeristic jason blabber until maybe a playoff victory though... beating bad teams in Oct/Nov means little. having no feel for the game means more. Jason's performance tends to dwindle as the season goes on... plus we're 0-1 vs our division.

If you can't see any of that it's pretty scary!
I bolded a statement above that I will focus on, but I want to answer your last blast first. There are a lot of things that you see that I don't chinch. You see I remember your incessant blabbering about how Troy Aikman was not a good QB but Quincy Carter was. Forgive me if I don't put any stock in your football opinions. You lost me a long time ago with what you see.

Mine is a comment about the playoff victory blather really. Last night I had a short chat with a former Mod here who is now in the media. He said something really funny that is so true. He finds it hilarious that the Cowboys fans get so bent out of shape when the media jumps on every little thing to point out the flaws in the Dallas Cowboys. What's funny about that? The fans are far worse about it than the media ever will be.

It is so true. Bear with me for just a moment while I give you a short rundown of players on this team who the fans have announced should be cut or traded away before the trade deadline.

Mike Jenkins
Orlando Scandrick
Flozell Adams
Ken Hamlin
Patrick Watkins
Terence Newman
Bobby Carpenter
Anthony Spencer
Bradie James
Martellus Bennett
Austin Miles
Roy Williams
Patrick Crayton
Tony Romo

Oh, and Terrell Owens would still be the focal point of this offense. 38 TDs in 3 years don't ya know.

At one time or another this season every one of the players above has received a fan label of can't play. You yourself have in the past condemned Tony Romo. Now here you are in this post claiming he is saving Jason Garrett.

And you want me to pay attention to you? I'd rather be kicked in the balls than to give what you say any weight, and I got to tell you man, I really don't like getting kicked in the balls. No, the truth is I find you to be a reactionary fan who over sensationalizes everything in a desire to sound believable. Don't feel all alone there are several of that ilk on this forum. Good for amusement, but not information or advice.

The media jumps all over every Dallas miscue because they know for a fact that it fuels controversy from the weak minded fans who overreact to every wave and gust of wind to proclaim approaching hurricanes and tornadoes. The media has spoon fed a constant drivel about 13 years of playoff failures and the weak minded gravitate to it like dogs to vomit and lap it up.

Scary? Halloween is over. I've moved on to Thanksgiving. As in thankful the team I love has an Offense that is working together and producing.
 

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any team can game-plan to take away something from the opposing offense--the 'Hawks wanted to stop our run but obviously did not stop the pass--and we pressured Hasslefree but he is a quality veteran QB and just got rid of the ball quickly
 

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gotta say, so far looks I was wrong on both Crayton and Garrett. Both seem to be doing very well for the boys. I still think both of them make stupid mistakes (ie, romo throwing it on 1st down with 9 mins to go; crayton's fumbles) but their good stuff is making up for it.
 

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You have to give LOTS of credit to Crayton. I think some lesser guys could have just packed it in after being demoted from TWO positions. Instead, he's used it as an opportunity to work harder and do more with his opportunities.

What amazes me on his return is that he's not a speed guy (that was Octavian running stride for stride w/ him), he did it with good vision and the patients to see and follow his blockers. The stiff-arm on the punter though, that was just sweet haha.

He really is CLUTCH Crayton
 

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gbrittain;3050198 said:
You hit on something I have been saying for a little while. Some Cowboy fans on this board hold Romo/Garrett and others to some very unrealistic expectations.

I don't want to hear Romo sucks Garrett sucks anymore. I want to know who it is that those people wish Romo and Garrett were.

Hard concrete examples that Romo and Garrett can be compared too.

In all honesty, Garrett and Romo set the standard, that they are now held to, themselves. Everyone wants to see what we saw in 2007 (sans the playoff collapse). Is it unrealistic? Maybe so, but it's not like Romo and Garrett came in to replace Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. They aren't being held to an impossible standard that was set by a HOF coach and HOF QB (and we can kill the Troy Aikman standard. The Cowboys were awful long before #8 hung it up). It's their own standard. What a lot of people fail to realize about the 13-3 season is that we got fat on A LOT of weak teams that year. We also had some quality wins (Giants twice and the Packers).

I admit that I have unabashedly criticized Romo AND Garrett. I try to keep it to a game by game analysis, though (for the most part, unless a trend presents itself). I've been watching football long enough to know that things aren't going to click on all cylinders week after week. That's what make juggernauts like the Patriots (and so far this year the Saints) so impressive. They make it LOOK easy. Fact is, there's nothing farther form the truth.

Hostile;3050525 said:
Me too my lady. I have always loved his hands and especially in the slot. I am glad Austin has stepped up so that we have 3 legitimate WRs, 2 TEs, and 3 more guys behind them who have very real potential. If that is not evidence that this team is in good shape I don't know what evidence is needed.

Make no mistake about it though, if we could improve at Punt Returner I would. These last 2 games have helped but I don't think Crayton is elite back there. I said he would never break one. I actually said it. Pass the crow.

Crayton is JAG when it comes to PR duties. Don't get me wrong, the two that he returned these past couple of weeks could have easily been just an average return, but Crayton "made it happen". The real credit goes to Coach D (as has been echoed ad naseum throughout the season). Crayton's been returning punts for this team for a long time. The fact that he's actually a threat now (I can't believe I just typed that) is no coincidence.
 

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Hostile;3051007 said:
You see I remember your incessant blabbering about how Troy Aikman was not a good QB but Quincy Carter was. Forgive me if I don't put any stock in your football opinions. You lost me a long time ago with what you see..

Um, your memory and reading comprehension is WAY OFF.

I don't care what you put stock in (i don't say this insultingly but you're a cowboy homer! ) but PLEASE DO NOT put words in my mouth like that.

QC (jerrys reach cough) sucked but was slightly less a JAG than hutch, vinny and the other stiffs. WASTE OF TIME (and another jerry failure).

Troy without #22 & #88 has a few less superbowls & great OL. Just my opinion but whatever can't be argued either way. One could argue (and we'd agree on this probably) without jerry's ego they'd have 4-5 though not just 3 superbowls with that group.

i'll read the rest of your post later, bad start though.
 

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Hostile;3051007 said:
Last night I had a short chat with a former Mod here who is now in the media. He said something really funny that is so true. He finds it hilarious that the Cowboys fans get so bent out of shape when the media jumps on every little thing to point out the flaws in the Dallas Cowboys. What's funny about that? The fans are far worse about it than the media ever will be.
Dale/Chad i assume you're referring to was a sensible, good poster, even though he's younger then many here and lacks some historical perspective having never watched our 70s teams play on sundays for example.

Yes fans are WORSE but these same dolts CRY AND WHINE ("mr blue suit") making our collective fan base look idiotic.


Hostile;3051007 said:
Bear with me for just a moment while I give you a short rundown of players on this team who the fans have announced should be cut or traded away before the trade deadline.

Mike Jenkins
Orlando Scandrick
Flozell Adams
Ken Hamlin
Patrick Watkins
Terence Newman
Bobby Carpenter
Anthony Spencer
Bradie James
Martellus Bennett
Austin Miles
Roy Williams
Patrick Crayton
Tony Romo
don't lump me in that group of fans. Carp was a reach and many of these jerry's mistakes (and tuna's too) but leave me out of that.

Put me in the WE HAVE BAD COACHES group. Said players need BETTER coaching.

Hostile;3051007 said:
Oh, and Terrell Owens would still be the focal point of this offense. 38 TDs in 3 years don't ya know.
not missed here on the field or lockerroom. 13Tds/season not an issue. Best argued even more simply: We lost WITH him we can lose without him.


Hostile;3051007 said:
Tony Romo. Now here you are in this post claiming he is saving Jason Garrett.
Tony can play STUPID and is careless but a huge contributing factor is POOR COACHING and poor play calling. When he's "off the reservation" JAC (just a coach) jason doesn't see that nor can Jason establish the run or ball controll.

Again see any Tony Romo game in Dec/Jan as a real-life example.


Hostile;3051007 said:
The media has spoon fed a constant drivel about 13 years of playoff failures and the weak minded gravitate to it like dogs to vomit and lap it up.
Woe is me. seems to bother YOU more than many.

:laugh2:
 

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My only issue with Garrett is a little more balance in the running game. If we get stuffed on 1st down it seems like he immediately goes to Shotgun. We're going to need to be a little bit more balanced moving forward but I'm encouraged.
 

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Hostile;3050074 said:
Someone pinch me. Is Patrick "Fair Catch" Crayton really leading the NFL in Punt Return yardage after 2 straight games with a TD? I'll take my helping of crow deep fried please. I never would have believed that was possible. He has made me eat the crow.

Actually the credit goes to a man who is a walking, talking, butt kicking miracle on our sidelines. Joe DeCamillis has been one of the most refreshing additions to this team in years. I find him to be utterly inspiring. I would love to have played for the man. Instead of dreading Special Teams I find myself believing it is a battle we will automatically win. What an unreal change for this team. Maybe there's some magic in Tom Landry's bullhorn. I don't know what it is, but I couldn't complain about the Special Teams if I wanted to. They are executing.

Speaking of executing, Tony Romo is in a groove right now. For the first time in his career he has 3 straight games without an INT. He did lose a fumble today, but he has protected the ball amazingly well for a guy that more people doubted than believed in just 4 weeks ago when we were 2-2. Three of his four INTs on the season happened in one game that we almost won. I'll take Romo friendly.

I saw some people who still can't stand Jason Garrett and I have to be honest with you that has me perplexed. The Offense is scoring, mistakes are down, and he is still as hated by some as he was last year when we actually did suck. I suppose it will take a TD on every single drive for him to be good enough. That's ridiculous, but then expectations of the fans sometimes are.

I know mine are. Hard for me to confess to that. It is unreal of me to expect some of the things I do. Like the dozen sacks I was expecting to see today. I really did even though I didn't post it. 3 sacks almost left a bad taste in my mouth. I expected more than that from Ware alone. I know better than to do that, but I couldn't help it. The Seattle OL was so patchwork I expected our Defense to go through them like gas through a funnel. Hasselback was pressured today, but not sacked enough or forced into INTs so I was a little bit disappointed. I believed the Defense had turned a corner and was going to start getting those stats in bunches. It doesn't work that way in the NFL and I know it.

Still I am not disappointed in the Defense. I feel like they made some critical stops and when you look at the time of possession and see a nearly nine minute advantage for the Cowboys Offense it is pretty obvious that they performed exactly as they should. I'd like to see the total yardage lower but when I see the yards per rush at 3.6 I know they did their jobs.

The problem is I also see our yards per rush at 3.9 yards. I could be wrong but I think that is our lowest of the season. The Offense has shifted from a run powerhouse early this season to a pass oriented Offense. I understand that because it is working. I would just like to see the run work better than this. 113 yards rushing is pretty meager. I realize a couple of the RBs have been dinged up, but even so they have rushed better than today. I'm not worried about it, but I hope this is the lowest of the season.

Penalties were down again. 5 for 43 yards. That is encouraging. I read that none of the penalties were pre-snap. If that is true (and I honestly wasn't paying attention to that) then that is more than encouraging. It is flat out room for celebration.

Which is where I am when I see this team at 5-2 and tied for the lead in the NFC East. You see, even when we were 2-2 I was sticking to my belief that this is a 12-4 team that will win the NFC East. I took some heat for that from a few friends. I simply refused to budge. A big step in that direction can happen next week if we can beat the Eagles. That hasn't been easy this decade. Andy Reid has been our worst nemesis. Last year to end the season was the worst, but it was hardly the only time he has led his team to prevail.

Last week I posted a thread about November being Tony Romo's best month. Today was a good way for that trend to continue. A division game on the road against a team who has owned us this decade could erase a lot of doubts.

Erasing the doubts has kind of been a theme of this team. A couple of players still need to finish the job. Nothing is better than a clean slate. It's an all new NFC East folks. The battle for bragging rights there begin next week and it is a tough opponent. I couldn't be happier with the momentum right now. 5-2 feels pretty right to me. A solid November could erase a lot of doubts.

I wonder if crow and eagle both taste like chicken? I'm eating my crow, here's hoping the Cowboys serve up some Eagle.

"Special Teams Win Championships" :laugh2: Im holding 11-5 Puck the Eagles...
 

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"The problem is I also see our yards per rush at 3.9 yards. I could be wrong but I think that is our lowest of the season. The Offense has shifted from a run powerhouse early this season to a pass oriented Offense. I understand that because it is working. I would just like to see the run work better than this. 113 yards rushing is pretty meager. I realize a couple of the RBs have been dinged up, but even so they have rushed better than today. I'm not worried about it, but I hope this is the lowest of the season."

so who's fault is it?
 

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RainMan;3050087 said:
Good stuff, Hos. What impressed me about Crayton's return today was that it truly involved some instincts. A great return.

Agreed on Garrett. He's quietly putting together a very nice season as a play caller. Yeah, I know the boo birds are out about passing too much or leaving in Romo too long. But no one's perfect.

And I wouldn't be surprised if DeCamillis isn't a head coaching candidate at some point -- maybe even here.

Agreed on the Garrett and DeCamillis stuff Hos posted.

I had to work on Sunday and was reading through the game-day thread and you would have thought the team couldn't get past midfield, much less score. This team is moving the ball and scoring points at a real nice clip. It could be so much worse.

Special teams coaches very rarely find their way to the top spot, but I don't see why DeCamillis can't make that leap. He is actually much more subdued this year than I've seen him in years past ... and I'm sure part of this is the physical restraints from the accident. He used to rant and rave up and down the sideline like a crazy person.

I think he and Garrett both should be considered when Wade is replaced in January.
 
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