A true blue chip player is what a 4th pick demands

[CCBoy]

I was talking about Bosa in reply to this:



Which I assumed was referring to Bosa since you quoted my post.

22 of 24 general starters are under contract.

LDE and MLB are not under contract from the starter's group.

If pulling for Bosa, did he move to a top level when he was focused upon as well as double teamed? That is exactly what will happen, but at a NFL level after drafted.

 

[CCBoy]

No, I am not suggesting bringing in Ramsey. I think he is overrated as a safety and even more as a corner. I think his natural position in the NFL will be at safety though.

Let me clarify:

• Jalen Ramsey is listed as a S/CB.
• I think Jalen Ramsey will be a S in the NFL. I don't think he is as good a corner.
• I don't want him at Safety or Corner.

With that added, mark him off your root for list at the draft.

 

[texbumthelife]

22 of 24 general starters are under contract.

LDE and MLB are not under contract from the starter's group.

If pulling for Bosa, did he move to a top level when he was focused upon as well as double teamed? That is exactly what will happen, but at a NFL level after drafted.

I already addressed this.

 

[CCBoy]

Would one be more interested in Shaq Lawson as a replacement for Hardy?

 

[CCBoy]

Stephen Jones stated that in the focus of positional need, are:

QB
Defensive front 7
Secondary
Running back

The question would then move to what truely blue chip players, not just starters, would fit in here?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Which of the following, would you take when the Cowboys come up to pick at #4?

Jared Goff QB
Myles Jack OLB
Laquon Treadwell WR
A'Shawn Anderson DT
Joey Bosa DE

As a comparative point to build from, Dallas already has 22 of 24 general starters on contract for next season:

Only LDE, Hardy, and MLB Rolando McClain aren't presently on contract...

Goff
Bosa
Treadwell
Jack
Anderson

That would be how I would rank these 5 players.

 

[CCBoy]

Goff
Bosa
Treadwell
Jack
Anderson

That would be how I would rank these 5 players.

I'd love to have Goff...and would not blink with Treadwell.

Offensive production will get this team of Cowboys quickest into a deep run for the playoffs.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Stephen Jones stated that in the focus of positional need, are:

QB
Defensive front 7
Secondary
Running back

The question would then move to what truely blue chip players, not just starters, would fit in here?

Interesting news................obviously if they think QB is the top need for the team, then you have to be thinking Goff at 4.

I think Bosa would have to be next on the list......................all speculation of course.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'd love to have Goff...and would not blink with Treadwell.

My personal preference are Goff, Bosa, and Tredwell................considering Tennessee is probably picking Tunsul number one, we should get one of these blue chippers.

 

[CCBoy]

Interesting news................obviously if they think QB is the top need for the team, then you have to be thinking Goff at 4.

I think Bosa would have to be next on the list......................all speculation of course.

I just see Bosa as a true gamble...for the Cowboy's type of a defense.

 

[JW82]

Which of the following, would you take when the Cowboys come up to pick at #4?

Jared Goff QB
Myles Jack OLB
Laquon Treadwell WR
A'Shawn Anderson DT
Joey Bosa DE

As a comparative point to build from, Dallas already has 22 of 24 general starters on contract for next season:

Only LDE, Hardy, and MLB Rolando McClain aren't presently on contract...

The 22 starters from a 4-12 team can use a little competition. I want a QB, but other than guard, no position should be off the table.

 

[CCBoy]

The 22 starters from a 4-12 team can use a little competition. I want a QB, but other than guard, no position should be off the table.

The top 5 picks in a draft, are NOT competition, but blue chip candidates...

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Which of the following, would you take when the Cowboys come up to pick at #4?

Jared Goff QB
Myles Jack OLB
Laquon Treadwell WR
A'Shawn Anderson DT
Joey Bosa DE

As a comparative point to build from, Dallas already has 22 of 24 general starters on contract for next season:

Only LDE, Hardy, and MLB Rolando McClain aren't presently on contract...

Goff without blinking. The other guys are not top-five blue-chippers but I'd drop down to 10 or 11 and take any one of them.

 

[CCBoy]

Goff without blinking. The other guys are not top-five blue-chippers but I'd drop down to 10 or 11 and take any one of them.

I like Goff as well. We'll just wait until the combine to tell who are the consensus blue chippers. Right now, these are grading pretty good.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I like Goff as well. We'll just wait until the combine to tell who are the consensus blue chippers. Right now, these are grading pretty good.

I think Elliott will rise to the top-five once the combine is concluded. That is, if he participates. I think this kid is a true blue-chipper and would be my first option if Goff and Lynch are gone at 4.

I like Bosa but I think he is just a very good football player. He will not be a dominant pass rusher but he will be a solid starter, probably at LDE, who will be moved all over the place for matchup opportunities.

I really like the DT from Bama but I don't think he is worth the 4th pick. The same applies to Treadwell and Jack although I like them, along with Ramsey, after pick 10. The Cowboys could drop down if the guy they truly want at 4 is gone.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I go QB if one of the blue-chippers fall to us. Otherwise, I would go Treadwell as the top option. He will end up as a massive upgrade over T. Williams and can replace Dez when his contract is up.

 

[egn22]

I'm all about A'Shawn Robinson!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Which of the following, would you take when the Cowboys come up to pick at #4?

Jared Goff QB
Myles Jack OLB
Laquon Treadwell WR
A'Shawn Anderson DT
Joey Bosa DE

As a comparative point to build from, Dallas already has 22 of 24 general starters on contract for next season:

Only LDE, Hardy, and MLB Rolando McClain aren't presently on contract...

Out of that group, I would put them in this order:

1. Goff
2a. Treadwell
2b. Bosa
4. Anderson
5. Jack

Of course, my mind could change if the combine, pro days and Senior Bowl show something else.

I would still prefer Lynch. He has rare skillsets that the others at their respective positions do not have.

I'm skeptical about pure 4-3 OLB's getting drafted that high as the history isn't very good.

Kuechly was drafted 9th overall and originally moved to OLB while Beason played MLB. It wasn't a good fit for Kuechly and then they moved him to MLB in the middle of the season and everything gelled.

After that, you have 4-3 OLB's drafted that early like Aaron Curry, Keith Rivers, AJ Hawk, Ernie Sims, Chris Claiborne, James Farrior (who was a bust until he moved to ILB), Trev Alberts, Marvin Jones and Junior Seau.

That's pretty much all of the 4-3 OLB's drafted in the top-10 since 1990. There are some like Anthony Barr and Peter Boulware that played 4-3 OLB, but they were more like a 5th pass rusher. Marvin Jones was solid and Junior Seau was a HoF'er. But, other than that it's not a very impressive list.

So, I'm skeptical of taking Jack unless he can really either play MLB or SS. And I would still want Goff or Lynch over him anyway.








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[JW82]

The top 5 picks in a draft, are NOT competition, but blue chip candidates...

Right so they will take the job of one of the 22 starters under contract fron a 4-12 team. Thats the point.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Projected cornerbacks:

Vernon Hargreaves, CB, Florida
Jalen Ramsey, CB, Florida State
Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson

With the play of Jones, you are suggesting bringing in another FS candidate, and make that Jalen Ramsey?

Why favor what you claim is a safety?

Early discussions have Ramsey as a strong cornerback. But if Carr is let go, you need this to be a strong outside corner. Does he fit?

I really like Ramsey a lot, but he's a FS in this league. We *might* be able to get away with him at SS, like the Eagles did with Thurmond and Jenkins. The big thing we need is the ability to mix up our coverages and to tackle the ball carriers. We need to get safeties that can play more man and deep zone coverage so our corners don't have to play man all of the time and can mix in some zone as well. We need safeties that can position themselves in the zone so errant passes, tipped passes, QB and receiver not on the same page and dropped passes that go up into the air can be picked off. Ramsey has the ability to play man to do that. I don't know about how good he is in zone and what his tackling is like. The thing is that the league doesn't need safeties that can lay the wood, especially these days where it will be a flag and a fine anyway. They need guys that can immediately track down the ball carrier and make a form tackle so the ballcarrier is stopped.

I don't see Hargreaves as a #4 overall pick. He's really the last type of player we need...another cover corner type that isn't the most capable tackler. I've had enough of those for the past 15 years.







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