Aaron Rodgers (last night) vs. Dak (against the Cards)

[VACowboy]

I mean yea, they have similar drive, but a lot of players do.

Brady has never really been that cool-headed, and Dak seems to be. They're different in that way.

Brady sure is cool in the pocket, especially in the fourth quarter And at crunch time. Huh. That sounds familiar.

 

[Future]

Last year. Their year 12 and 13 in the league. What were they doing Y/A in their first and second, kimosabe?

Sheesh, and you speak of nuance.

I don't know or care, because neither one of them ever ran RPO when they were young.

 

[8FOR!3]

Just a thought, I'd refer to someone like Aaron Rodgers or even Dak as a balanced QB. A true pocket passer is a statue like Carson Palmer. Just my opinion.

 

[Future]

Brady sure is cool in the pocket, especially in the fourth quarter And at crunch time. Huh. That sounds familiar.

Well yea, in the pocket. Sorry I read that wrong, I thought it was referring to leadership and that sort of thing. Brady has always been fiery there.

 

[Trouty]

I don't know or care, because neither one of them ever ran RPO when they were young.

LOL. It doesn't work that way, slugger.

You make a claim, back it up. Prove me wrong.

Unless you want your word to mean nothing on this board...

 

[Luther]

See you in 9 days to see who wins the head-to-head

You mean refs and packers vs cowboys?

 

[Trouty]

Just a thought, I'd refer to someone like Aaron Rodgers or even Dak as a balanced QB. A true pocket passer is a statue like Carson Palmer. Just my opinion.

Now that's a damn statue! Or even an Eli, Payton.

 

[VACowboy]

Well yea, in the pocket. Sorry I read that wrong, I thought it was referring to leadership and that sort of thing. Brady has always been fiery there.

I will defer to Charlie Weis on the leadership stuff.

 

[Trouty]

I will defer to Charlie Weis on the leadership stuff.

This dude has some weird *** agenda and has turned this into a "Let's pick apart Dak, even tho I'm clueless" thread

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

The point is to create content and to put Dak's last game into perspective with a great, all-time QB. To give other Zoners a measuring stick if they so choose to use it.

Now, to where you go wrong..

Don't be lazy. Outside of an occasional run (like the beauty, his first TD against AZ), he is very similar to Brady. He feeds on short and intermediate routes, and when he is on, burns the D on deep routes, but only sparingly and when he knows the reward outweighs the risk.

Brady's first years were predicated on defense. Not his timing and precision. Less so than even Dak, now. Dak isn't a mobile QB, in the way we use that term in today's NFL. He uses his legs as a last resort. He always looks for the pass. Yes, he is more mobile than Brady when he has to be. But they are incredibly similar, outside of that, at this point in their careers.

Let me guess, you lazily comp him to McNair or McNabb? GTHO

I lazily comp him to Joe Montana on the basis of mediocre arm strength, mobility, great leadership and composure.

Between the two of us we've probably committed the two most heinous acts of footbal sacrilege possible.

(Anyone want to make it an unholy trinity by comping him to Johnny U?)

 

[Broges74]

Dak threw two 50yd+ passes with his momentum going away from the throw. He was eating some Wheaties this off-season. Check the man for Roids.... He has went from an average arm to a good arm over one offseason. What will he be working on this offseason?

 

[Trouty]

I lazily comp him to Joe Montana on the basis of mediocre arm strength, mobility, great leadership and composure.

Between the two of us we've probably committed the two most heinous acts of footbal sacrilege possible.

(Anyone want to make it an unholy trinity by comping him to Johnny U?)

Don't think it's a lazy comp at all, Outlaw. I love it.

 

[Future]

LOL. It doesn't work that way, slugger.

You make a claim, back it up. Prove me wrong.

Unless you want your word to mean nothing on this board...

Prove you wrong on what? You want me to compare how mobile Dak is to guys who were rookies 12 years ago? Neither one of them ran RPO, so neither one of them used their legs as a weapon and it's not even really worth comparing. Everyone knows Roeth was great at moving and keeping plays alive in his prime, and Dak is similar to that. He's nothing like Brees.

But just for fun - Dak had 57 carries and a 4.9 y/a last year.
Roeth has never had that many carries and had a higher y/a twice. His career average is 29.7 carries and 2.9 yards.
Brees has never had that many carries and never had a higher y/a than 4.1. His career average is 27.1 carries and 1.8 y/a.

This is exactly as it should be, because those guys are pocket passers and don't use their legs as a threat. That's why RPO was never part of their playbook, but it's part of what makes Dak so good. Aaron Rodgers doesn't run RPO, but his legs are a threat in the exact same way...but Dak isn't nearly a strong enough passer, pre-snap especially, to really be compared to him. As a playiing style though, he's way closer to Rodgers than Brady.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Don't think it's a lazy comp at all, Outlaw. I love it.

Dude, just accept it: we're going to football hell.

 

[Trouty]

Prove you wrong on what? You want me to compare how mobile Dak is to guys who were rookies 12 years ago? Neither one of them ran RPO, so neither one of them used their legs as a weapon and it's not even really worth comparing. Everyone knows Roeth was great at moving and keeping plays alive in his prime, and Dak is similar to that. He's nothing like Brees.

But just for fun - Dak had 57 carries and a 4.9 y/a last year.
Roeth has never had that many carries and had a higher y/a twice. His career average is 29.7 carries and 2.9 yards.
Brees has never had that many carries and never had a higher y/a than 4.1. His career average is 27.1 carries and 1.8 y/a.

This is exactly as it should be, because those guys are pocket passers and don't use their legs as a threat. That's why RPO was never part of their playbook, but it's part of what makes Dak so good.

Ben had a higher RY/A twice? Meaning Ben had a higher RY/A than both of Dak's seasons in the league?

Go on...

 

[Future]

This dude has some weird *** agenda and has turned this into a "Let's pick apart Dak, even tho I'm clueless" thread

I don't think he's Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, so I have an agenda? lol, ok.

 

[Trouty]

I don't think he's Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, so I have an agenda? lol, ok.

It's more than that, brosefus. You comp'd him wildly wrong and have **** on him in subtle ways. When proved wrong, you say "I don't care blah blah blah"

GTHO

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I mean yea, they have similar drive, but a lot of players do.Brady has never really been that cool-headed, and Dak seems to be. They're different in that way.

They're throwing motions are similar, but Brady's is much quicker.

Maybe down the line he'll be similar to Brady, but right now, Dak is successful with his physicality - that's where he's like Cam. He's not dumb, but he doesn't win with a cerebral passing game. Maybe he can, time will tell.

Yeah I don't know. His ball protection skills are elite and it's not because everything's a dump-off, given his strong YPA. Can you accomplish that without being a thinking man's quarterback?

The things we put on this kid as a rookie. The amount he was able to absorb. Would it all have been possible if he weren't a cerebral QB?

The RPO you keep referring to. That's the definition in my view of attacking the opponent with a cerebral passing game: one that requires the QB to make split second live-action reads and decisions that determine whether we'll pass at all and, if not, whether he'll hand it off or take off himself.

Think you go too far with your focus on his admittedly impressive physical abilities.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I didn't say Dak was better than damned Rodgers.

Cut it out. Just using a single game as a barometer. Last season I used a whole season(s) of Brady's first and second year stats. Does that tickle your fancy?

Here, brudda (edit, brain cell fail, it was their first 8 games, but I'm sure I could extrapolate further and show similar results)

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/tom-brady-dak-prescotts-first-8-games-in-the-league.362428/

Never mind, I did a further analysis:

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/tom-brady-2001-down-games-yes-back-off-the-ledge.366026/

I will say it. Dak is better. He has outplayed Rodgers in both their meetings

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Dak is a mobile QB in EXACTLY the way the term is used today. Threat with the legs but doesn't depend on running. He's not RGIII or Tyrod, who would be running quarterbacks. You said it yourself, he's amazing when rolling out. Dak's legs are an absolute threat and whether he runs 1 time a game or 10, defenses have to account for it. That's what makes the RPO and play-action rollouts work, and that's what makes him different than Brady. Feeding on short and intermediate routes and using his legs as a threat makes him more like Jeff Garcia than it does Tom Brady. He's better than Garcia, obviously, but his playing style is absolutely nothing like Brady.

To be honest I don't care what Brady did in 2001 and 2002. That was two generations of football ago, and saying he's a Brady in the making is just a massive reach at this point in his career. The reality is that Dak has never been successful when he didn't have a run game to lean on and until he does that, he has no business being compared to the elite quarterbacks of the last decade.

I'd compare him to McNabb, but not McNair. I'd also compare him to Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, Brett Favre and Tony Romo long before I would Brady, Brees, and Peyton or, on the flip side, Mike Vick. But he's most similar in stature and play style to Newton. So kill that lazy comp nonsense.

Never won a game where he can depend on the run game? Perhaps you didn't watch this past Monday against Arizona