Acceptable Substitutes

[dckid]

It looks to me like Jerry always feels that having and paying his 'Triplets' is the only way to win a championship. Whether they're actually worthy of the costs or not, Jerry does his best to keep that triumvirate in place no matter what.

He's paid his running back already and I expect the other two to get serious bank as well. He's just got to have that trio together no matter what.

Yes, the man is stuck in the early 90's for team building.
My preference would be to sign Quinn, Jones, other mid level DE's, for example JPP. He has quietly had a couple of good years in Tampa.
Salary cap is not a problem right now. Strike while the iron is hot and give yourself an chance to win the SB.

 

[DallasEast]

Kellan Moore will take off his headsets and put on the helmet!

You are an instigator.

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't agree and you can't either if you do agree with this statement. The problem with the Dallas Cowboys in 2019 was coaching, the team underachieved and with a better coaching staff is a contender.

Either you believe that or you don't. Talent wise was this team good enough to contend for the NFCCG? I do believe so, the Niners were impressive on D but on O? Packer, Saints and Eagles, nothing really special about them.

If you agree with that first statement then you want to keep as much of this team together going forward and screw the cap for the future, let the future take care of itself.

The best coaches are on the O side so keeping the QB and WR tandem intact makes sense. Expensive? Yes but I do not agree on the other options at WR for this season, even with some of the disappearing he does, he still makes DC's think when he's on the field. If we are talking about the future, that's an entirely different conversation but my eyes are only on 2020. (Didya see what I did there?) Ole CC took an extra clever pill this morning.

 

[Proof]

I don't get the Parker comp at all. Prior to this season, he was considered a bust. Revisionist history at work to make a weak case in my opinion.

for real. in his fifth year, he finally had a pretty great season admittedly, but prior to that he had like 2k yards and 9 tds over four years. Dolphins also managed to retain him for a VERY reasonable price given the market situation, and his obvious potential. After seeing how many chances and resourced teams have been willing to pour into sammy watkins, I'd imagine Parker could have gotten a pretty penny on the open market. Also curious who these "good receivers" are that are always available and what kind of money you expect to get them for

 

[Typhus]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

One of if not the most logical Dak related threads posted.
Agree 100 percent, well done

 

[phildadon86]

Where would you draft one? Even as "deep" as it is?

If we don’t sign Amari . We need to at 17.

 

[Stash]

Yes, the man is stuck in the early 90's for team building.
My preference would be to sign Quinn, Jones, other mid level DE's, for example JPP. He has quietly had a couple of good years in Tampa.
Salary cap is not a problem right now. Strike while the iron is hot and give yourself an chance to win the SB.

I think you may see just that, a more aggressive approach. Trouble is, you might see that from everybody, jacking up price tags league-wide.

 

[Stash]

If we don’t sign Amari . We need to at 17.

Disaster. Epic failure.

 

[Stash]

for real. in his fifth year, he finally had a pretty great season admittedly, but prior to that he had like 2k yards and 9 tds over four years. Dolphins also managed to retain him for a VERY reasonable price given the market situation, and his obvious potential. After seeing how many chances and resourced teams have been willing to pour into sammy watkins, I'd imagine Parker could have gotten a pretty penny on the open market. Also curious who these "good receivers" are that are always available and what kind of money you expect to get them for

Based on last year, it looks like the Dolphins guessed right on one, they were overdue. But you can't base your decisions on that one. People should know better.

 

[phildadon86]

Disaster. Epic failure.

Unfortunately we have seen what Dak does without a number 1. Gallup is great but not there yet. What do you suggest if we don’t sign Amari?

 

[Stash]

Unfortunately we have seen what Dak does without a number 1. Gallup is great but not there yet. What do you suggest if we don’t sign Amari?

I'd start with this:

 

[Proof]

Based on last year, it looks like the Dolphins guessed right on one, they were overdue. But you can't base your decisions on that one. People should know better.

Didn't they do like some weird two year deal in lieu of picking up his 5th yr option? Doesn't even seem like they guessed, they just retained him for cheap vs cutting him, and then rewarded him with this contract after the year he had. Really odd situation overall. good for them though.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I have said this for years, and in most cases regarding free agents, it plays out.

Circumstances change from team to team. Just because a guy plays for Team X and did well, does not translate to him coming to this team and replicating that success. Not all circumstances are alike.

This is a team sport predicated on scheme and coaching. The players surrounding said player may have offered him the opportunity to shine. The scheme or coaching could have added to this, or been the lynch pin to make this player be attractive in free agency.

The assumption a substitute could arrive and perform at the level they did with their previous team, thus supplanting the player here doesn't bear fruit at enough frequency to suggest all things are equal.

It is said here time and again free agency does not bring in the quality versus cost in most cases. There are exceptions.

I find it both business as usual when dealing with a player who will be paid a great deal, to find people coming out of the woodwork to hail players for other teams who can easily step in and be better than the player Dallas has now, and a bit hilarious because the same people advocating for these changes at other times of the year bemoan free agency.

Rookie OC and Garrett is a cocktail for 8-8. I see people suggesting let Dak walk and have Mike find his guy. I wonder if any of these folks can point to any factual information which reveals MM doesn't want Dak, nor thinks Dak can get the team where it wants to go?

Personal opinion about Dak foster so many of these threads filled with speculation and no real substance.

New coach, new scheme. Maybe letting the team ferret out this issue would be better served than maybe 300 threads about Dak, Jerry, the contract, Dak's value, his replacement, and the rest of this hand wringing being played out here for the last year.

 

[Stash]

Didn't they do like some weird two year deal in lieu of picking up his 5th yr option? Doesn't even seem like they guessed, they just retained him for cheap vs cutting him, and then rewarded him with this contract after the year he had. Really odd situation overall. good for them though.

Yeah, good for them, that sorry team is due for some breaks.

 

[Stash]

I have said this for years, and in most cases regarding free agents, it plays out.

Circumstances change from team to team. Just because a guy plays for Team X and did well, does not translate to him coming to this team and replicating that success. Not all circumstances are alike.

This is a team sport predicated on scheme and coaching. The players surrounding said player may have offered him the opportunity to shine. The scheme or coaching could have added to this, or been the lynch pin to make this player be attractive in free agency.

The assumption a substitute could arrive and perform at the level they did with their previous team, thus supplanting the player here doesn't bear fruit at enough frequency to suggest all things are equal.

It is said here time and again free agency does not bring in the quality versus cost in most cases. There are exceptions.

I find it both business as usual when dealing with a player who will be paid a great deal, to find people coming out of the woodwork to hail players for other teams who can easily step in and be better than the player Dallas has now, and a bit hilarious because the same people advocating for these changes at other times of the year bemoan free agency.

Rookie OC and Garrett is a cocktail for 8-8. I see people suggesting let Dak walk and have Mike find his guy. I wonder if any of these folks can point to any factual information which reveals MM doesn't want Dak, nor thinks Dak can get the team where it wants to go?

Personal opinion about Dak foster so many of these threads filled with speculation and no real substance.

New coach, new scheme. Maybe letting the team ferret out this issue would be better served than maybe 300 threads about Dak, Jerry, the contract, Dak's value, his replacement, and the rest of this hand wringing being played out here for the last year.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't get the Parker comp at all. Prior to this season, he was considered a bust. Revisionist history at work to make a weak case in my opinion.

I agree, those who don't want us to sign someone will throw any name and come up with any comparison as meaningless it maybe to justify their warped logic

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There's isn't a quarterback in the league that isn't overpaid. However, should Dak go down, say good-bye to the season. Let the hater's cheer for Rush and post us his stats, (including playoffs) at the end of the season. It will be dazzling!

if all the QBs are over paid, then they are no over paid...its the market for QBs.....compared to other positions they make more money, but they are also the most critical position on offense.

 

[plasticman]

Cooper faded in the last 7 games, only one TD and only 2 of the last 7 with 5 or more receptions. Great players elevate their game in crunch time.

Cooper has great skills and technique but I question his ability to be the playmaker when they need it the most.

Say what you will about Michael Irvin's personal life, there was no doubt that when a season defining play was needed, he was not only willing, he lived for it. He didn't care who defended him, he made playa off Dieon Sanders, Rod Woodsen, you name him, Michael was the intimidator never the other way around

The Cowboys might be better if going with Gallup, another older veteran, a rookie and the guys we had on ice from the previous season.

Not only do the Cowboys need to sign Dak now, they need a real upgrade at backup to remind Dak never to stop getting better. This is where you throw the money, Daks offer will be a bargain 12 months from now.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Cooper faded in the last 7 games, only one TD and only 2 of the last 7 with 5 or more receptions. Great players elevate their game in crunch time.

Cooper has great skills and technique but I question his ability to be the playmaker when they need it the most.

Say what you will about Michael Irvin's personal life, there was no doubt that when a season defining play was needed, he was not only willing, he lived for it. He didn't care who defended him, he made playa off Dieon Sanders, Rod Woodsen, you name him, Michael was the intimidator never the other way around

The Cowboys might be better if going with Gallup, another older veteran, a rookie and the guys we had on ice from the previous season.

Not only do the Cowboys need to sign Dak now, they need a real upgrade at backup to remind Dak never to stop getting better. This is where you throw the money, Daks offer will be a bargain 12 months from now.

I thought he had some injuries he was dealing with in the second half of the season....

and our coaching had a lot to do with the decline of the team in general. it wasn't just cooper, but Dak, Zeke, defense, and on down the line....only gallup seemed to have better stats and perhaps, because teams afforded him less coverage as they focused more on Cooper.

 

[Floatyworm]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

I seriously can't see why we are not going after Teddy Bridgewater...a better player for half the price...then have the money to keep Jones and Cooper.