Acceptable Substitutes

[Verdict]

Let’s flip Dez for some picks while we’re at it.

Dez was worthless

 

[JustChip]

Regardless, Teddy played well enough to not lose the game.

True enough. But t that doesn’t change the fact he wouldn’t have gone undefeated had Witten and Zeke not fumbled.

I get the sense you think I’m anti-Teddy. I’m not. I think he is a viable option here and this team could win with him just as well as with Dak. And that’s not an anti-Dak statement.

 

[Verdict]

That is how we should look at every player. Can i turn x player into multiple impact or role players? Can we duplicate x players production another way? Etc.

Spot on.

 

[Verdict]

I don't agree and you can't either if you do agree with this statement. The problem with the Dallas Cowboys in 2019 was coaching, the team underachieved and with a better coaching staff is a contender.

Either you believe that or you don't. Talent wise was this team good enough to contend for the NFCCG? I do believe so, the Niners were impressive on D but on O? Packer, Saints and Eagles, nothing really special about them.

If you agree with that first statement then you want to keep as much of this team together going forward and screw the cap for the future, let the future take care of itself.

The best coaches are on the O side so keeping the QB and WR tandem intact makes sense. Expensive? Yes but I do not agree on the other options at WR for this season, even with some of the disappearing he does, he still makes DC's think when he's on the field. If we are talking about the future, that's an entirely different conversation but my eyes are only on 2020. (Didya see what I did there?) Ole CC took an extra clever pill this morning.

You can’t sign Cooper to a 4 or 5 year contract and then “worry about it later”. We can easily sign who we want to this year. The problem is the cap on down the road AND whether Cooper will still be considered an elite player 2-5 years on down the road.

Cooper seem like a nice guy and may be the. Key to the SB. But the red flags are there. Do you ignore them or not? Usually when you see red flags you should pay attention to them and get the player on a discount, not a premium.

 

[JoeKing]

True enough. But t that doesn’t change the fact he wouldn’t have gone undefeated had Witten and Zeke not fumbled.

I get the sense you think I’m anti-Teddy. I’m not. I think he is a viable option here and this team could win with him just as well as with Dak. And that’s not an anti-Dak statement.

And yet it happened. You want to play god by pretending those fumbles didn't happen. That's not how revising history works. When you change one little thing that seems insignificant enough on its own, it reverberates forward in time to make a great deal of difference in ways we can't imagine and that difference may not be good for the Cowboys. I don't like playing with space/time continuum in that way because it's never a linear cause and effect.

 

[Stash]

You are right the first year he plays under the tag but after that he either gets what he demands or gets what a 2nd tag would pay him which is near the same.

If that’s truly the case, I agree with you to tag him for two years while I find his replacement.

You are just a Teddy hater. He filled in great for Brees for 5 games, undefeated. He can successfully operate the Cowboys offense.

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Feel free to point out where anything I said is untrue.

 

[Stash]

But the issue isn't whether Bridgewater is better, it's can he be successful here with this team and coaching staff. [/auote]

If he isn’t better, he wouldn’t be.

I like Dak, and believe he can be a part of getting this team to where it wants to be, but it's ludicrous to think only Dak can do that. Maybe it makes more sense to go with a cheaper, "lesser" QB and devote the difference in money to other team needs and makes the overall team better. The only fly in the ointment with that is this FO has not demonstrated they have the ability to do that. Which is why if I'm Dak, I don't give a home town discount just so this FO can bungle that savings.

I would consider that, but Bridgewater ain’t it.

 

[Stash]

Tag and trade. It happens with a reasonable degree of frequency.

Not when you need that tag for the quarterback it doesn’t.

Think.

 

[jaythecowboy]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

The issue is other teams also know the draft is deep at WR. Trading Cooper would amount to buying high and selling low.

 

[JoeKing]

Feel free to point out where anything I said is untrue.

Not untrue, per se but we have a difference of opinion on Teddy Bridgewater. I think he can successfully operate the Cowboys offense at a much cheaper price as long as the other weapons remain available. You don't seem to think of Teddy so favorably.

 

[Stash]

Not untrue, per se but we have a difference of opinion on Teddy Bridgewater. I think he can successfully operate the Cowboys offense at a much cheaper price as long as the other weapons remain available. You don't seem to think of Teddy so favorably.

Nope. But it’s based on stats and history, no bias.

 

[Floatyworm]

Tag and trade. It happens with a reasonable degree of frequency.

I honestly don't think you could find a trade partner....unless someone got desperate....like the Patriots...if Tom Brady left.

 

[DeaconBlues]

That's the biggest factor to me, and something I consider to be a huge mistake. You gave all negotiating leverage to the player and agent when you made that trade. Now you're stuck. Pay him what it takes and learn your lesson to never do it again.

Other teams have actually made even worse mistakes like the Texans and Rams giving up two #1 picks for Tunsil and Ramsey. Watch how they get bent over and those two please reset the market at their respective positions.

It's crazy to me that some people are actually talking about letting Cooper walk and using the #17 overall pick on yet another receiver! So their plan is to use two consecutive 1st round picks on one rookie receiver and hope that he develops into one as good as Cooper? Some kind of plan...

It's what happens when you are "one player away". It almost never works out.

 

[CowboyRoy]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

dak has no leverage? Might be dumbest thing posted on here recently.

 

[Redball Express]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

Anybody know what Andrew Luck is doing these days?

 

[Stash]

Anybody know what Andrew Luck is doing these days?

 

[Jarv]

There's isn't a quarterback in the league that isn't overpaid. However, should Dak go down, say good-bye to the season. Let the hater's cheer for Rush and post us his stats, (including playoffs) at the end of the season. It will be dazzling!

People said the same in 2016 when Romo went down.

 

[JustChip]

I would consider that, but Bridgewater ain’t it.

So which FA QB would you consider it? Teddy seems a lot like Dak - considered a good leader that functions more as a bus driver. Which was borne out when he filled in for Brees.[/QUOTE]

 

[Stash]

So which FA QB would you consider it? Teddy seems a lot like Dak - considered a good leader that functions more as a bus driver. Which was borne out when he filled in for Brees.

[/QUOTE]

He was able to 'drive the bus' because he had a genius offensive mind in Sean Payton making due with Bridgewater's obvious shortcomings. It's a testament to Payton, not that Bridgewater did or has ever done anything special. I can pay far less money to quarterbacks that have been far more productive.

There are several more appealing options for me, including Case Keenum, Colt McCoy, and Marcus Mariota.

 

[Verdict]

I seriously can't see why we are not going after Teddy Bridgewater...a better player for half the price...then have the money to keep Jones and Cooper.

I don’t think Bridgewater is as good of a QB as Dak but he would probably be a little bit cheaper.

Dak could have significant upside. Of course he could also revert back to playing like he did in stretches year before last before Amari showed up on the scene.