According to our favorite source, WR Matt Jones may be looking for a home

[aikemirv]

who was comparing crayton? i've only said we've got him and he's done well for us.

then stash wants to keep saying he's more than #4 cause we'd have to have 3 players better than him on the roster.

to
glenn
crayton

there. he's #4. you can't speculate glenn away till he actually goes. so at best jones would be fighting with another qb convert, a FA we love so far, and 2 3+ year vets who we've invested time in for that #3 IF glenn goes bye bye.

yet he'll again say no one has shown him 3 WRs ahead of jones. i have. several times.

you point to the other weapons we have, but great. so am i. here jones just wouldn't see adequate ball time. if he can't in jacksonville i don't know why he could here with MORE to compete against.

Sorry, but it is much more speculative to assume Glenn is the number 2 than it is to assume that he is gone.

I think the opposite is true. You can't speculate Glenn playing this year until he actually signs that 500k offer and makes it through TC.

 

[aikemirv]

And thanks again for dodging the question. Way to contribute!


if you cant see that Owens, Crayton and even a 75% Glenn are eons better than Jones, nothing can be done for you



he was a 1st rd pick who cant start for his current team...he blows so much that they have tried left and right to replace him almost since the day he got there...he's a bust

thats the fact

David

Glenn is done until he proves otherwise and I am a big fan of Terry Gelnn since he has come to the Cowboys.

Our WR depth chart is as follows....TO,Crayton,Hurd,Austin,Stanback. Jones at worst is 3rd if added on the WR depth chart.

Anybody arguing that has their fingers crossed and on their knees in prayer.

 

[Stash]

I wouldn't have said it quite that way, but nonetheless, Welcome Aboard!

:shake:

 

[iceberg]

Sorry, but it is much more speculative to assume Glenn is the number 2 than it is to assume that he is gone.

I think the opposite is true. You can't speculate Glenn playing this year until he actually signs that 500k offer and makes it through TC.

i never said it wasn't. i just said for what we have today, he's #2.

he calls bp and says "bill, give me some love and sign me in miami so i can retire there under your guidance!"

bill - hahahahahahahhahhaha no.

now what does glenn do? he signs the contract and he's here next year.

this "speculation" again - slant jones to say he's already gone.

i don't doubt he's gone. i don't doubt we'll need to replace him.
i have heavy doubt matt jones would be anymore than a scrub here as he has been his career with 643 yards as a season best.

 

[joseephuss]

Sorry, but it is much more speculative to assume Glenn is the number 2 than it is to assume that he is gone.

I think the opposite is true. You can't speculate Glenn playing this year until he actually signs that 500k offer and makes it through TC.

Isn't speculation a part of any message board? Saying Matt Jones is worth trading a 6th or 7th round pick is as much speculation as saying he is not. He isn't by the way.

 

[aikemirv]

Isn't speculation a part of any message board? Saying Matt Jones is worth trading a 6th or 7th round pick is as much speculation as saying he is not. He isn't by the way.

What is the current average NFL career of a 6th or 7th rounder?

I would say it would be more speculative to say that that average is greater than Matt Jones Career in the NFL going forward.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

I expect Del Rio and the Jags to hold onto Jones until the final cutdown of preseason if they don't receive an offer for him.

A 6th or 7th round pick is a no-brainer to me.

This team is gearing-up to win a Super Bowl, I would hate to see it derailed by questionable wide receiver depth when you have the chance to add one.

I hope the Cowboys sure pull the trigger on him.... He would be a better asset to the Cowboys than Jaguars....

 

[Stash]

i never said it wasn't. i just said for what we have today, he's #2.

he calls bp and says "bill, give me some love and sign me in miami so i can retire there under your guidance!"

bill - hahahahahahahhahhaha no.

now what does glenn do? he signs the contract and he's here next year.

this "speculation" again - slant jones to say he's already gone.

i don't doubt he's gone. i don't doubt we'll need to replace him.

If you don't doubt he's gone, why is there a problem with someone considering that possibility?

I'm not saying it's fact that Glenn is gone, I'm saying that in my opinion he is.

I've been know to be wrong before, and I will be again.

i have heavy doubt matt jones would be anymore than a scrub here as he has been his career with 643 yards as a season best.

Why does there always have to be an insulting, negative description thrown in?

Crayton was every bit the 'scrub' that Jones is accused of being going into last season, when injury forced him into the starting lineup. 2007 was his first year of solid contributions and stats.

He was not designated a starter by design but by necessity.

Crayton's career-best is 697 yards - and that after 4 years of NFL experience, not a lot more than Jones' 643.

A bit hypocritical to praise one and condemn another for similar numbers, I think.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

While Matt Jones was being inactive for games and having the Jax coaching staff think of releasing him, Miles Austin was seeing his playing time increase. Thus Austins arrow going up and Jones' going down.

Jax WRs are bad even with Porter in the mix. The fact they want to get rid of him SHOULD tell you something. Hes a poor route runner who shies from contact and has marginal hands. its not like hes being gotten rid of because of ample WR depth over there. The idea that he is going to suddenly get better after the Landry 3 year rule has come and gone is specious.

i would much rather give our young guys their shot and see what they can do rather than go with some guy who already got his shot and failed. You can spin it however you want but the guy was given every opportunity to succeed and well quite frankly he failed

 

[Stash]

While Matt Jones was being inactive for games and having the Jax coaching staff think of releasing him, Miles Austin was seeing his playing time increase. Thus Austins arrow going up and Jones' going down.

Sorry, but I don't consider 5 career catches as "arrow up".

And while Austin was getting his 5 catches, Jones had better numbers in just his final game of 2007.

Jax WRs are bad even with Porter in the mix. The fact they want to get rid of him SHOULD tell you something. Hes a poor route runner who shies from contact and has marginal hands. its not like hes being gotten rid of because of ample WR depth over there. The idea that he is going to suddenly get better after the Landry 3 year rule has come and gone is specious.

Again, ask yourself why the Jax receivers are all bad?

That doesn't give Matt Jones a free ride, but it should raise the question that maybe it's not solely his fault.

i would much rather give our young guys their shot and see what they can do rather than go with some guy who already got his shot and failed. You can spin it however you want but the guy was given every opportunity to succeed and well quite frankly he failed

While I would rather add someone who - while he has not fulfilled expectations - has more experience and better numbers than several of the Cowboys' current crop of receivers.

And I believe that a guy with his skills might have the potential to be more than what he is given a great receivers coach like Ray Sherman to work with.

And I believe that it's worth a late round draft pick to find out.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

And that's OK.

But this is my "campaign" until the season starts and it gives me something to talk about.

 

[TheCount]

It's not like Crayton is an 8 year vet. He's just completed his 4th year. Jones just completed his 3rd. And Crayton had a much larger learning curve in the NFL coming from such a tiny college, while Jones played in the SEC. The difference is Crayton has gotten incrementally and noticably better every single year. Matt Jones has either gotten worse or remained stagnant the longer he's been in the league.

Anyone who takes into account effiency per attempt will have Crayton well ahead of Jones (Football Outsiders currently has Crayton as their 27th rated WR based on their DPAR efficiency, Matt Jones 80th). Jones comes in behind TO, Crayton and perhaps Terry Glenn if he plays. So at best Jones is competing against Hurd, Stanback and Miles Austin for the #3 or #4 spot ... so you have to ask yourself whether it's worth it to furthur dilute the snaps and impede the progress of players who's arrow is pointing upward to bring in a guy who's arrow is pointing downward. Especially when this guy brings nothing to the table in special teams or the lockerroom. The issues that came up in Jacksonville are nothing new. It was widely reported since college that he much preferred basketball to football. The guy is just a workout warrior. He was rated a 4th round prospect before the combine, he runs a 4.37 at the Combine and *poof* .. he's suddenly The White Randy Moss overnight.

As far as I know, Crayton actually saw time at WR in college, small or not and Matt was a QB, a running QB, but a QB none the less.

I'm not sure where you get the Randy Moss comment from, everyone but the Jaguars were shocked he went in the first.

I also never said he would be competing with Crayton, he can compete with the bottom guys, what do I care.

I'd still like him on the team. You're talking about down/up arrows, we've got quite a few guys that joined this team with arrows pointing down, including one that was just recently partially-reinstated.

 

[Stash]

As far as I know, Crayton actually saw time at WR in college, small or not and Matt was a QB, a running QB, but a QB none the less.

I'm not sure where you get the Randy Moss comment from, everyone but the Jaguars were shocked he went in the first.

I also never said he would be competing with Crayton, he can compete with the bottom guys, what do I care.

I'd still like him on the team. You're talking about down/up arrows, we've got quite a few guys that joined this team with arrows pointing down, including one that was just recently partially-reinstated.

I believe that the 'Randy Moss' tag came from a Chris Mortensen article on Matt Jones.

I think Mort's son was a teammate of Matt's and Mort saw him play and felt he was the second coming.

He's not that, but he's not 'garbage' either.

I think the reality is somewhere in between but it's kind of hard to get that point across around here.

 

[AmishCowboy]

For a Sixth or Seventh why Not?

 

[Stash]

For a Sixth or Seventh why Not?

That's the spirit!

Welcome aboard!

:cheers:

 

[TheCount]

I believe that the 'Randy Moss' tag came from a Chris Mortensen article on Matt Jones.

I think Mort's son was a teammate of Matt's and Mort saw him play and felt he was the second coming.

He's not that, but he's not 'garbage' either.

I think the reality is somewhere in between but it's kind of hard to get that point across around here.

I'd agree it's imbetween, but its hard to find middle ground when discussing football.

 

[Stash]

I'd agree it's imbetween, but its hard to find middle ground when discussing football.

 

[iceberg]

If you don't doubt he's gone, why is there a problem with someone considering that possibility?

I'm not saying it's fact that Glenn is gone, I'm saying that in my opinion he is.

I've been know to be wrong before, and I will be again.

Why does there always have to be an insulting, negative description thrown in?

Crayton was every bit the 'scrub' that Jones is accused of being going into last season, when injury forced him into the starting lineup. 2007 was his first year of solid contributions and stats.

He was not designated a starter by design but by necessity.

Crayton's career-best is 697 yards - and that after 4 years of NFL experience, not a lot more than Jones' 643.

A bit hypocritical to praise one and condemn another for similar numbers, I think.

1. consider it all you'd like. i prefer open consideration and not twist everything the way you'd like. that just seems like an agenda of someone who wants their favorite player on their favorite team. "make it fit". to me that's all you're doing. seeing things in a way that are all pro-matt jones.

2. because to me he is a scrub. a shiney "turd". someone we simply don't need because despite bad coaching at only 1 position and a record setting year that would set any lifetime journeyman on fire, you still say HEY! HE CAN DO THAT HERE!

he wasn't a #3 when he was leading the team was he? no. he'd at best be #3 here and more than likely simply fighting for a roster spot. last year wasn't hurd out #3? compare those two for even simple opportunities jones would get. not many. with all the weapons we already have, a catch or two a game is the best he'd turn in - IMHO.

maybe i drop off to "insults" because all you seem to do is many any situation out there pro-jones despite the lack of logic *i see* in many of your stances.

when i see some comparisons that argue against jones, then i'll think you're being more unbiased. till then it just seems like i'm talking to someone who will have nothing but pro-jones talk in his life. that's fine if you want it but i don't view it as realistic.

3. so they're simular in numbers. not in situations however. i could also say i find it hypocritical you turn all jones arguments into his favor.

the coaches.
fresh scenery
jacksonvile sucks (despite their rise to the top of the nfl world, they suck at WRs only - why - cause it suits your argument)

i find relying on any and every excuse in the book hypocritical also. it's like you must have your way and common sense need not apply.

not trying to be insulting, but that's what this convo has felt like to me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry, but I don't consider 5 career catches as "arrow up".

And while Austin was getting his 5 catches, Jones had better numbers in just his final game of 2007.



Again, ask yourself why the Jax receivers are all bad?

That doesn't give Matt Jones a free ride, but it should raise the question that maybe it's not solely his fault.



While I would rather add someone who - while he has not fulfilled expectations - has more experience and better numbers than several of the Cowboys' current crop of receivers.

And I believe that a guy with his skills might have the potential to be more than what he is given a great receivers coach like Ray Sherman to work with.

And I believe that it's worth a late round draft pick to find out.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

And that's OK.

But this is my "campaign" until the season starts and it gives me something to talk about.

Mile Austin go his first snaps at WR last year and showed up making plays. Matt Jones was being deactivated. it is what it is Stash.

You can sit there and try to say there may be some excuse that no one knows about and that its really the coaches or the QBs or whatever's fault but at the end of the day Matt Jones didnt get the job done.

its well documented that he shies from contact, isnt a very good route runner and has suspect hands and Stash those are his fault.

Maybe he can be coached up or whatever and god knows sherman is a good coach but Jones lacks mental toughness to play the position and i would rather see if Stanback can translate that talent onto the field, Austin can improve his hands, or Hurd get more consistent separation than see if Matt jones can begin to play football how its supposed to be played.

 

[Stash]

1. consider it all you'd like. i prefer open consideration and not twist everything the way you'd like. that just seems like an agenda of someone who wants their favorite player on their favorite team. "make it fit". to me that's all you're doing. seeing things in a way that are all pro-matt jones.

My position in this debate is 'pro-Jones', why would you expect me to take an opposing stance.

While I'm defending my position, I don't think I'm ignoring facts or outright lying, am I?

2. because to me he is a scrub. a shiney "turd". someone we simply don't need because despite bad coaching at only 1 position and a record setting year that would set any lifetime journeyman on fire, you still say HEY! HE CAN DO THAT HERE!

Fine, but by your own standards then, this team's current #2 receiver would also be a 'scrub'.

he wasn't a #3 when he was leading the team was he? no. he'd at best be #3 here and more than likely simply fighting for a roster spot. last year wasn't hurd out #3? compare those two for even simple opportunities jones would get. not many. with all the weapons we already have, a catch or two a game is the best he'd turn in - IMHO.

Actually he was. Looking at his 2006 starts, he started only 4 games which would mean he was the team's #3 receiver for the other 12.

maybe i drop off to "insults" because all you seem to do is many any situation out there pro-jones despite the lack of logic *i see* in many of your stances.

when i see some comparisons that argue against jones, then i'll think you're being more unbiased. till then it just seems like i'm talking to someone who will have nothing but pro-jones talk in his life. that's fine if you want it but i don't view it as realistic.

Again, my position in this isn't unbiased, I am pro-Jones in Dallas. I freely admit that. And while I am defending the player, I'm not lying when I do it. I'm using numbers and facts to back that up.

3. so they're simular in numbers. not in situations however. i could also say i find it hypocritical you turn all jones arguments into his favor.

the coaches.
fresh scenery
jacksonvile sucks (despite their rise to the top of the nfl world, they suck at WRs only - why - cause it suits your argument)

i find relying on any and every excuse in the book hypocritical also. it's like you must have your way and common sense need not apply.

not trying to be insulting, but that's what this convo has felt like to me.

Again, my stance in this debate is pro-Jones, not unbiased. I'm certainly trying to hear all sides on the topic and if someone makes a good point I would gladly acknowledge it.

And if someone has a better alternative, I would love to hear it.

But I haven't.

Quite frankly, it surprises me how many people are passionately opposed to using a late round draft pick on a chance at improving the current wide receiver corps on what is potentially a Super Bowl team.

 

[Stash]

Mile Austin go his first snaps at WR last year and showed up making plays. Matt Jones was being deactivated. it is what it is Stash.

That's your opinion. Fior the record, what "plays" did Ausitn make? Two where his biggest contribution was getting interfered with?

You can sit there and try to say there may be some excuse that no one knows about and that its really the coaches or the QBs or whatever's fault but at the end of the day Matt Jones didnt get the job done.

I'm not making phantom excuses for the fact that he didn't live up to Jacksonville's expectations. There's no denying that.

I'm merely saying that he's not 'garbage' as some would believe and that a late round draft pick is a small price to pay to potentially improve this team in some way.

its well documented that he shies from contact, isnt a very good route runner and has suspect hands and Stash those are his fault.

Maybe he can be coached up or whatever and god knows sherman is a good coach but Jones lacks mental toughness to play the position and i would rather see if Stanback can translate that talent onto the field, Austin can improve his hands, or Hurd get more consistent separation than see if Matt jones can begin to play football how its supposed to be played.

So, according to you, Austin can "improve his hands', but Jones cannot?

And Hurd can suddenly get faster? Seems that's asking a lot.

Austin will turn 24 years old this month, Jones just turned 25, yet one has upside and the other does not?

I don't understand that thinking.