Achilles Heel

[LittleBoyBlue]

Hey, Roy said it's not his fault he gets burned, it's always someone else's man, not sure exactly who his man is though, not sure if he knows either, but he knows it's just not his man.

So, I guess when the other 10 guys figure out what they're doing on D then Roy will never get burned again , since it's not his fault and the guy he's chasing with the ball going over the goal line is not his man.

But I guess Roy leads by example, follow the leader, the leader's following the guy running away with the ball. This is the Cowboys new championship attitude for 2007, I guess!

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Parcells mentioned atleast once that I remember during a PC that Roy wasnt the one who missed asignment that led to big play.... Bill actually names someone else? Glenn I think

 

[superpunk]

Best? That's a joke.

No it's not.

THIS is a joke.

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[The Duke]

Yanked from another board...

Someone much smarter than I.......feel free to correct any mistakes.

Late in the game, in a prevent, the safeties are in deep halves. Both TDs were in RW's half. What's hard to understand?

Do you or better an NFL coach expect late in the game with like a 13 point lead to be determined by a cornerback one-on-one with a speedster WR? Obviously no.

Any NFL type safety is definitely expected to provide strong deep help on a speedster WR becasue the WR has to go 30-40 yards downfield in a prevent before even coming even to the safety since they align themselves so deep. That's why completing a deep bomb on an NFL prevent defense is suppose to be extremely difficult.

But where in the history of the NFL, has a deep bomb been completed on the same safety on his deep half in a prevent with first a 13 point lead TWICE with I think less than 3:00 minutes to go?

Press Conference explanations, as any fan now should know, do not explain what really happened. Damage control and egos especially a sensitive crybaby one like RWs is expected.

 

[The Duke]

No it's not.

THIS is a joke.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Did I offend the almighty great Judge and determiner of what is acceptable thread material and what's a joke or not?

Prove it's a joke and make a counterargument instead of pathetic one liners.

Don't like it. Ignore it, genius.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

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Press Conference explanations, as any fan now should know, do not explain what really happened. Damage control and egos especially a sensitive crybaby one like RWs is expected.

How is it damage control when coach succincts gives the name of other player and says something like... he should have made the play??

 

[The Duke]

How is it damage control when coach succincts gives the name of other player and says something like... he should have made the play??

Damage control: when someone is to blame or share blame and the coach ignores it so as to not call out your supposed leader of the defensive secondary and upset a moddy selfish player like RW.

Gee, I might be going out on a limb here if you don't mind, but I think it happens ALL THE TIME in the NFL.

 

[Vintage]

Late in the game, in a prevent, the safeties are in deep halves. Both TDs were in RW's half. What's hard to understand?

Do you or better an NFL coach expect late in the game with like a 13 point lead to be determined by a cornerback one-on-one with a speedster WR? Obviously no.

Any NFL type safety is definitely expected to provide strong deep help on a speedster WR becasue the WR has to go 30-40 yards downfield in a prevent before even coming even to the safety since they align themselves so deep. That's why completing a deep bomb on an NFL prevent defense is suppose to be extremely difficult.

But where in the history of the NFL, has a deep bomb been completed on the same safety on his deep half in a prevent with first a 13 point lead TWICE with I think less than 3:00 minutes to go?

Press Conference explanations, as any fan now should know, do not explain what really happened. Damage control and egos especially a sensitive crybaby one like RWs is expected.

Figures. The one time I really need that youtube clip, its gone...

Newman released the WR to Roy. If Roy doesn't man up on him, the WR would be WIDE open for a long completed pass.

This allowed Moss to be one on one with Glenn.

Now, should Roy abandon his responsibilities to help out on Moss and leave someone WIDE OPEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD? Or should he take away that WR and hope Glenn can maintain coverage on Moss?

Seems simple. But I guess its not for you. So the latter would be the correct answer.

Roy busted his *** to try to get back in the play once the ball left Brunell's hands.

Not Roy's fault he had to defend against a different WR because of the coverage scheme AND then try to CATCH up with a speed WR.

And yet, this is Roy's fault somehow?

 

[austintodallas]

If you are going to help your teammate on his assignment and a TD is scored pass completed... you cant blame Roy.

Nail...head...hit it.

Roy busts his hump to put himself into plays that most strong safeties wouldn't even be within 10 yards of. True, he doesn't always make the play but you cannot blame him for getting there and trying. I can't believe how some people don't recognize this.

I would hate to see how many TD's we would be giving up without him.

 

[superpunk]

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I offend the almighty great Judge and determiner of what is acceptable thread material and what's a joke or not?

Prove it's a joke and make a counterargument instead of pathetic one liners.

Don't like it. Ignore it, genius.

 

[The Duke]

Figures. The one time I really need that youtube clip, its gone...

Newman released the WR to Roy. If Roy doesn't man up on him, the WR would be WIDE open for a long completed pass.

This allowed Moss to be one on one with Glenn.

Now, should Roy abandon his responsibilities to help out on Moss and leave someone WIDE OPEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD? Or should he take away that WR and hope Glenn can maintain coverage on Moss?

Seems simple. But I guess its not for you. So the latter would be the correct answer.

Roy busted his *** to try to get back in the play once the ball left Brunell's hands.

Not Roy's fault he had to defend against a different WR because of the coverage scheme AND then try to CATCH up with a speed WR.

And yet, this is Roy's fault somehow?

I guess it is not so simple for you either.

How are all safeties suppose to cover this play?

If the scenario were true then offenses would be putting the defenses in the "bind" all the time. Duh.

So how about playing like a good safety by running along halfway between the two recievers about 25 yards in front at the start of the play. Then, as the QB starts to look at, then position himself, and then throw, you slide over (your still in front unlike RW) and provide top coverage and double team the WR.

Gee, the other teams seem to have figured this out. Now explain TWICE.

The cornerback is to share blame, too.

In this scenario, two failed, but the safety is to blame primarily on deep zone coverages...always. That is why they call it a meltdown. Ask someone who has actually played the game as a QB, WR, or Secondary. There should be an experience check before entering these discussions.

 

[malbis030347]

I am sure that on top of all this, the NFL network commercial for United Way shows Roy rocking kids on some park swings and the narrator says-' Roy W covers more ground than just about anyone in the NFL

 

[The Duke]

Nail...head...hit it.

Roy busts his hump to put himself into plays that most strong safeties wouldn't even be within 10 yards of. True, he doesn't always make the play but you cannot blame him for getting there and trying. I can't believe how some people don't recognize this.

I would hate to see how many TD's we would be giving up without him.

You make it sound like he is a Supersafety with above the call of duty coverage skills.

Then why the constant talk and desperation to get him out of coverage?

 

[The Duke]

I am sure that on top of all this, the NFL network commercial for United Way shows Roy rocking kids on some park swings and the narrator says-' Roy W covers more ground than just about anyone in the NFL

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess the NFL Network hype machine has spoken. End of discussion, my bad.

If you want to surrender your judgement to them, then go ahead. I'll keep mine.

 

[zeromaster]

This is the absolute worst thread I've ever seen.

The "Misinformed-Hyperbolic-Orators" convention is currently being held in Antarctica. Get your tickets and a parka, now.

Oh c'mon, you have to give these things time, like a fine wine that must ferment and turn to vinegar due to a bad cork.

 

[dboyz]

Duke,

On those Commanders plays, Dallas was in cover 4 or quarters, so Roy had immediate responsibility to the inside. Glenn was essentially in man coverage (which was a mistake obviously) and poorly played both plays.

Adamjt13 as i recall explained the thing in great detail at the time. Parcells also made very clear it was Glenn's responsibility not Williams.

 

[BigDFan5]

Ooooo A Roy Williams sucks thread, it must be thursday

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This is the absolute worst thread I've ever seen.

The "Misinformed-Hyperbolic-Orators" convention is currently being held in Antarctica. Get your tickets and a parka, now.

Post a comment, post a response. Don't just criticize someone's opinion.

And if you don't like the post, just move on to the next. Simple. Put that under yer hat.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

No not Greg Ellis' but Roy Williams.

Hey, I'm drinking the kool-aid for the team after the mini-camp. I want to be so excited for this team, but I'm struggling because we have the king of burnt toast causing a gaping whole in our secondary. Roy Williams stinks so bad in coverage. He's one of the rare top 10 safety picks of all time and his entire career all they can talk about is getting him out of his primary responsibility by playing him closer to the line and "out of coverage" completely. Face it. He is the absolute worst cover safety in the league. Without the highligh hits and high draft status, he would have been cut by now. Other teams make due with no name guys and we get a "pro bowler" who is a bigger liability than help.

We're promised again this year he will play closer to the line, but scheming cannot cover up his faults. You want him as a linebacker in nickel or dime coverage. Well, he got burned one-on-one on the goal line last year at Dallas by Shockey and the line of scrimmage was about the 10 as I recall. This was not downfield, wide open spaces. This was small confined spaces. It's embarassingly bad. Then let's not mention the Saints game when it is in open spaces (getting 360'd spun around). He can't even cover a slower TE on a seam route in Seattle which is what really cost us the game.

The all time highlight reel worst was the year before when he got burned on desperation deep passes late in the game by TWICE by Washington.

How is Phillips going to make up for Roy blitzing at Seattle and getting juked in the backfield which is supposed to be what everybody wants every play?

Roy making the Pro Bowl last year made me want to vomit. It just adds fuel to the fire of his arrogance to not think there is a problem (see his comments this week at the mini-camp, which is what spaeked this rant).

I was praying the "almost" Detroit trade that asked for the pro bowler on defense was RW. This way we get rid of the biggest reason why we will not win the Super Bowl.

Can anybody name a bigger liability in coverage as a starting safety in the league than RW (other than a rookie like Pat Watkins)?

He needs to A) change his attitude by quit blaming everybody else but himself (see mini-camp comments again). B) lose some "biscuits" and get faster. C) take a note from Darren Woodson and practice some cornerbacking to improve safety coverage.

As frustrated as I am with the thought of RW in coverage, I get madder at Jerry Jones for the contract extension that guarantees the RW dead weight will torture us for years to come and prevent signing better players in free agency.

Sorry, rant off.

For Roy's alleged shortcomings, he's still among the best players on the squad.

 

[DallasEast]

He is the absolute worst cover safety in the league.

Just for curiosity's sake, who are the #2 - #10 worst cover safeties in your opinion?

 

[superpunk]

Post a comment, post a response. Don't just criticize someone's opinion.

And if you don't like the post, just move on to the next. Simple. Put that under yer hat.

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