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How about Roy in 2006? He somehow used magic to get 5 interceptions? If he was sooo bad back in 2005 he wouldnt have never been in position to make plays....

I just wish someone would find that BP press conference....
 

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The Duke;1501659 said:
You make it sound like he is a Supersafety with above the call of duty coverage skills.

Then why the constant talk and desperation to get him out of coverage?
The talk is not to get him out of coverage because he is a liability there, but rather to get him closer to the line of scrimmage because this is where he wreaks the most havoc and can affect the game the most.

Our new D-coordiantor has said this himself.

Please listen at your leisure...

http://video.nbc5i.com/player/?id=104213
 

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joshjwc9;1501762 said:
How about Roy in 2006? He somehow used magic to get 5 interceptions? If he was sooo bad back in 2005 he wouldnt have never been in position to make plays....

I just wish someone would find that BP press conference....

An Adam and others compilation.....

People who actually have brains said:
IRVING, Texas - Cowboys safety Roy Williams took the blame for Santana Moss's now-infamous pair of touchdown catches after Monday's shocking 14-13 loss to Washington.

But on Wednesday, Williams grew defensive about his role on the two plays Moss beat cornerback Aaron Glenn for touchdowns of 39 and 70 yards in the final four minutes to quickly erase the Cowboys' 13-point lead.

"They called two plays against the coverage that honestly put me in a bind where I'm basically on two people at one time," Williams said. "So as far as you talking about them beating me on two plays, you need to know the coverage before you say I got beat on those two plays. You don't know the coverage."

Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells also defended Williams, who has been criticized for not getting back in coverage to help Glenn sooner.

"It wasn't really his play," Parcells said, especially in reference to the 39-yarder when the Commanders lined up a receiver in the slot inside of Moss.

Glenn, meanwhile, admitted he played aggressively on the second pass to Moss, which gave Washington a one-point lead with 2:44 left.

"I was on top of the route and I made a very bad decision to go for the interception," said Glenn, who ironically made the game-saving pass breakup against the Chargers one week earlier. "That's just my mindset. Any time the ball is in the air I'm going to try to go for the ball. I think I touched the ball or touched his hand, one of the two. I know I was close to the ball, and I just ended up missing it."

Like Parcells, Williams answered questions about Monday's loss but insisted the team has already shifted its focus to Sunday's game at San Francisco.

"Honestly those weren't my plays, but yeah, I took it upon myself to say that's my fault," Williams said. "I'm always anxious to get back on the field. The whole secondary wants to get back on the field and try to repeat the performance that we did Monday night, but for all four quarters."

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More Brains said:
According to STATS LLC., here are the number of pass completions allowed by some safeties this season --

Adrian Wilson 39
Brian Dawkins 35
Sean Taylor 29 (prior to Saturday's game)
Ed Reed 28
Troy Polamalu 25 (missed three games)
Roy Williams 24


TDs allowed
Roy gave up 8.
Reed-6
Taylor-11 (led league)
Wilson - 6

Roy's only problem this year was that he was involved in allowing eight TD passes (according to STATS LLC.) -- some when he was in man-to-man coverage and some when he was helping someone else (or ran into the ref). In several games, he was involved in allowing only one or two catches -- but one was a TD catch, so people think he had a bad game in coverage. If he had allowed more catches but fewer touchdowns, he'd probably get a lot less criticism than he has gotten.

Adrian Wilson allowed far more catches and more yards, and he had fewer interceptions and PDs, but he allowed "only" six touchdowns, so he escapes criticism. Ed Reed allowed more catches and more yards, had fewer PDs, had the same number of interceptions and allowed six touchdowns. Sean Taylor allowed more catches and more yards, had far fewer interceptions and far fewer PDs, AND he led the league in TD catches allowed -- 11. Taylor also led the league BY FAR in missed tackles with 19, the highest total in the 11 years that STATS has been keeping track of them.

So tell me -- why is Roy the only one of those who is heavily criticized in the media?


Jeff Sanders (Phoenix AZ): Is Adrian Wilson the most underrated safety in the NFL? Hes one of the hardest hitters and best blitzers in the game and would've made the pro bowl if he was on a winning team.

SportsNation Jeremy Green: I have asked other coaches that same question and like me they agree that he is a great blitzer. He really isn' a true Safety though. The guy is almost like an extra LB and he is excellent close to the LOS. When he is deep off the ball though, he is a mess - takes bad angles vs. the run and pass and he struggles in coverage. To answer your question, he is a great player in their defense because Pendergast found a role he can excell in.

Reed allowed more completions, more yards and a higher completion percentage this season, had fewer passes broken up and allowed only two fewer touchdowns than Roy.

MORE BRAINS!!!!!! said:
Roy Williams and the Case of the Missing Coverage Skills
by Will Parchman

As I sit here in the dark of my study, I’m trying to figure something out. It’s something that has been bothering me since Parcells arrived on the scene and something so widely accepted that it immediately raises red flags: Roy Williams can’t cover anybody. You know you’ve heard it - we all have. In fact, you may have said it at some point in an angered or frustrated state, most likely following some particularly heinous blown coverage or yet another big play yielded by our secondary. There’s an old addage that goes something like, “If enough people repeat something, it becomes truth.” There’s also another one that says there is always some truth to stereotypes or else they wouldn’t exist in the first place, but I think our opinion on Roy Williams should lie somewhere in the middle.

While taken slightly out of context, here are some quotes from a few Cowboys fans I know who have graciously provided me with ammo to begin our great debate.

“Let’s make him a linebacker, because the dude obviously cannot cover deep.”

“He can hit. Can’t tell you much else about him, but he can hit the white off Jerry Lee Lewis.”

“Don’t you pay attention to football? If I had a nickel everytime Roy looked completely lost this year I’d have about 85 cents.”

While relatively small in sample size, they prove my point. There is a general consensus that Roy Williams couldn’t cover Willie Roaf, and this popular perception simply isn’t true. The educated fans that follow Roy in his week-to-week dealings usually aren’t of this opinion, but if we were all educated there would be no purpose for writing of any sort. Allow me to submit for your approval some overall statistical rankings from the Cowboys’ defense of 2005.

QB Completion % allowed – 54.7% (2nd)
Yards per attempt allowed – 6.23 (15th)
TD’s allowed per Pass Attempt – 1 per 27.5 attempts (14th)
INT’s per pass attempt – 1 per 33.00 attempts (13th)
INT Per Pass Attempt minus TD per Pass Attempt (13th)
QB Rating Allowed – 73.11 (9th)

For a defense nursing it’s #2 corner back to health for the entire second half and without any kind of free safety, those do not reflect a secondary that has a deficiency at SS. Where the disconnect comes for some fans is around the fact that the Cowboys have literally set Roy Williams up to fail. In 2002-2004 he played as a FS, where he was clearly overmatched by the speed of the game but still made timely plays in an effort to conceal the weaknesses at almost every position around him. He was clearly not FS material in the NFL, but the Cowboys had no other options with Woody at SS… but they made do, because Williams has pheonomenal athletic ability (and pssst… here’s a hint - he still does… did you watch the Pro Bowl?). This past season he was moved to a more natural position for him and yet it was during the first season of a 3-4 experiment, a scheme which is highly reliant upon linebackers and safeties to make up the ground that extra defensive backs are not on the field to cover. It isn’t that Roy isn’t able to succeed in a 3-4, but the Cowboys had little (read: no) support at FS, which ultimately meant that Roy is the guy who tries to cover Killer Keith or Willie Pile’s clumsy tracks… he is, after all, the last in a long line of defenders. If you don’t believe that Roy was playing beside a complete defensive disaster in Davis, look at a failed Cover 2 assignment from the Killer himself against the Chiefs in Week 14.

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Now mind you, the Cowboys are clinging to a 24-21 lead at this point, there are five minutes remaining in the game and the FS is looking pass all the way. Larry Johnson was ripping the Cowboys up, sure, but there were wide gashes in the middle of the secondary not because of LJ but because Green had been pin-pointing his throws all day. Here we see the play developing that would ulitmately end in a TD to Kennison (the WR on the right side) because Davis blew his coverage. Samie Parker is the wide out on the far side and both he and Kennison are running 15-yard out-routes while vicious weapon Tony Gonzalez is running an inside seam route up the middle of the field.

This is a well designed play that likely would have netted the Chiefs a first down even if Davis had been doing his job, but unfortunately the result was much more severe then just a chain-mover. Where Davis errs is he misses the fact that Green had checked off Parker, partially because Roy had done a great job cheating to the outside corner before the play began (along with a shallow route by Parker coupled with great underneath coverage), forcing Green to look down the middle/to his right. Davis never recognizes this (and play recognition was the first thing I always harped on with Davis in the regular season). I circled Roy because after Green moved past Parker, he recognizes the shift and begins drifting towards the inside to help Fujita over the top with Gonzalez. Thinking he needed to do the same, Davis shadows Gonzalez’s other shoulder, not understanding what just took place, while Terence Newman - on the 40 - is drifting in front of Kennison (per the Cover 2 formula), expecting somebody to have contain behind him. Newman’s coverage had to be closer to the line of scrimmage because he was responsible for the flat that Larry Johnson had created when he came out of the backfield as a receiver, creating a nice little pocket for Kennison. Unfortunately, Davis doesn’t read any of this before he makes his first move. Killer Keith’s coverage was technically correct (very, very technically). You are taught to take the over-top read if it is there and in your general proximity, which it was. The problem arises when Davis fails to realize the stellar, on-his-feet adjustment Roy had made and doesn’t adjust himself. Plus, no matter what the situation with Gonzalez, he never should have drifted that far over, and the result was this…

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Once again, Davis recognizes what happens, but well after the ball had left Trent Green’s hand, and he clearly doesn’t have the speed to catch up with Fast Eddie Kennison. He had simply left himself too much ground to cover and through his inaction wasn’t able to adjust. You’ve got three guys covering Tony Gonzalez and none on Kennison… what is wrong with this picture?

This is what Roy had to deal with for most of the ‘05 season. That is not to say, of course, that he didn’t blow his share of assignments. In fact, to show you that I’m not here to toot Roy’s horn, here is a piece I wrote about the safety play in the Week 16 Carolina game:
Roy Williams’ issue was similar, only his failure to react caused six points instead of three. Aaron Glenn had coverage on functional 6'3 rookie Drew Carter, who was running a post/skinny slant route towards the middle of the field. Williams, much like Davis before him, froze and went nowhere for approximately three seconds, giving Glenn, who was clearly expecting Williams’ help to the inside, no chance against the perfectly thrown rope to Carter. This seems to be a recurring theme with our safeties. They don’t read coverages/schemes quickly enough and the play develops at a higher speed than they can handle… this means that they’re usually a second or two late to the play, which can mean the difference between an interception and a touchdown.
As you can see, I have acknowledged Roy’s coverage skills or lack thereof in the past, but there is a general popular misconception about how bad it truly is. Scouts Inc. has Roy rated as a 90 overall, the best overall ranking for any safety in the entire league, and you don’t get that by being the worst coverage safety around. He has the lateral quickness and top speed to keep up with any tight end in the league (save maybe Gates), and barring some kind of inconceivable calamity at FS this off-season, he should also have a complimentary color alongside him next season. This means that he might actually have someone who has the ability to read plays on the fly half as well as he can, which makes for a pretty scary tandem to pair with the already-scary Newman-Henry combo.

Me...with no brains I can still come up with better crap than this thread said:
It was a variation of Cover 4. On both plays, Roy's primary responsibility was the inside receiver if he runs a vertical route. On the first one, it was the receiver running the post from the slot position. On the second one, it was Cooley, who ran a deep out. As soon as Cooley cut out, Roy could leave him and help on Moss, which is what he did.

Instead of simply having a deep quarter to defend, Roy's primary read is the inside receiver on his side. If that receiver runs a deep route, he's Roy's responsibility, no matter what the outside receiver does. Glenn's responsibility is the outside receiver if he runs a deep route, no matter what the inside receiver does. Roy can't leave the inside receiver until he KNOWS he isn't running a vertical route.

On the first TD, Roy's guy did run a vertical route (a post), and Roy couldn't abandon him until the pass was in the air. On the second one, Roy couldn't abandon the inside receiver until he cut out at 12 yards -- which is exactly what Roy did. In both cases, Roy did exactly what he should have. Glenn, on the other hand, was fully responsible for covering Moss on both plays, and he didn't (he had poor coverage on the first one and misplayed the ball on the second).

In summation, it's not a straight four deep coverage like you might be familiar with off Madden or playing in high school. It is not designed to keep the Commanders as a whole from going deep, rather each defender is supposed to keep one defender from going deep. Roy's primary responsibility was to prevent the inside receiver from getting deep. On both plays, if Roy doesn't take his primary responsibility outof the play, there is a big first down to them. Granted, it's beet than a TD, but...

One of the weaknesses of that coverage scheme is when the cornerback thinks he's going to have help from the safety but he doesn't -- which is what seemed to happen both times. But the reason Glenn didn't have safety help WASN'T because Roy didn't do his job, it was because Roy DID his job.

Parcells was asked if Roy was supposed to help Glenn on those two plays. Parcells' reply was, "No, it wasn't really his play. OK? It wasn't really his play. So ... I was asked that question after the game, and I told you whose play it was."

/thread.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1501738 said:
Post a comment, post a response. Don't just criticize someone's opinion.

And if you don't like the post, just move on to the next. Simple. Put that under yer hat.:D



So I just re-read the rules, and I didnt see it listed anywhere that people had to get permission to post in threads from gimmetheball. You should have them add that
 

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joshjwc9;1501762 said:
How about Roy in 2006? He somehow used magic to get 5 interceptions? If he was sooo bad back in 2005 he wouldnt have never been in position to make plays....

I just wish someone would find that BP press conference....

Is the 5 including the almost game changing INT in playoff game vs. Seattle? :bow:
did he have one or two in that game?
 

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Boy! I bet 31 other teams in the league would like to have Roy as their weakest link on their team.

:rolleyes:
 

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"Roy Williams, you're not the weakest link. Hello."​
 

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bunch of freaks...

I have a pet wombat, if you are a fan of abstract responses, or if you just love marsupials.


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On another note, I remember RW covered quite well in his rookie year... I didn't see any problems then???

So he's gotten worse you say Jose?

Oh si, yo comprendo ahora.
 

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Actually if I understand what Wade's plans to do, he plans use Williams close to the LOS as a dime linebacker. When that happens, Wade will bring in 2 DBs (specifically Hamlin & Watkins) to cover WRs & TEs. How Wade stacks the DL & other linebacker positions in the dime back will be interesting.
 
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