Adrian Peterson threatening retirement

[Rogah]

I guess this is as close to an actual answer as I'm going to get.

But if the Vikings don't have to honor it, it's hypocritical to expect it from the player.

Then contact the NFLPA and let them know your opinions. They seem quite happy with the hypocrisy being part of the CBA.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Don't preach to anyone about having a clue until you get one yourself. If a player is cut, the team that did it is failing to honor the contract agreed to by both parties. You can lie to yourself, but don't trying lying to me.

The Vikings are cheaters - they put footballs in front of space heaters - he has a history of defending cheaters . . . . .

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Then contact the NFLPA and let them know your opinions. They seem quite happy with the hypocrisy being part of the CBA.

Contact Roger Goodell, the owners seem quite happy with the ability of players to hold out

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It's clear you don't have the first clue about contract law. MANY contracts contain clauses whereby 1 party has the option to terminate the contract without penalty or further obligation. Usually they have to give something in exchange for such a clause, as Minnesota did in terms of guaranteed dollars up front.

Maybe it's you who doesn't have a clue, because teams can do this even if the player receives no signing bonus, so that is not the reason Minnesota has the right to do this.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

And if Peterson doesn't like the NFL industry standard, he is free to talk to his union rep - or fill out an application at McDonald's

And if the owner of the Vikings doesn't like Peterson's tactics, they are free to speak to Roger Goodell - or sell his team for a McDonald's franchise, no?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Didn't know AP was suspended...accuses others of not understanding the situation.

 

[Rogah]

And if the owner of the Vikings doesn't like Peterson's tactics, they are free to speak to Roger Goodell - or sell his team for a McDonald's franchise, no?

I don't hear the Vikings whining to change the terms of the deal. The only one who is unhappy to honor the contract they each signed in good faith is Peterson.

The VIkings have 3 option years, as per the terms of the contract and CBA, whereby they can keep Peterson or cut him without owing any further payments. Furthermore they can make those decisions a year at a time. They're perfectly happy. The only one complaining is the whiny crybaby Peterson.

 

[Rogah]

Maybe it's you who doesn't have a clue, because teams can do this even if the player receives no signing bonus, so that is not the reason Minnesota has the right to do this.

I never said the signing bonus gives them the right to do this. The CBA gives them the right to do this. I just mention that to reply to people who think the fact the Peterson is a talented running back justifies not honoring his end of the deal.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't hear the Vikings whining to change the terms of the deal. The only one who is unhappy to honor the contract they each signed in good faith is Peterson.

They are "whining" about his absence and everything else he has done this offseason, which are all things he is allowed to do under the current CBA. Just like it is "understood" that players can be cut towards the endof a deal, especially if their performance slips, it is "understood" that players can hold out for a new deal.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I never said the signing bonus gives them the right to do this. The CBA gives them the right to do this. I just mention that to reply to people who think the fact the Peterson is a talented running back justifies not honoring his end of the deal.

You definitely said they gave guaranteed dollars upfront in exchange for a clause that allows them to terminate the contract. At best you gave a poor example

 

[Rogah]

You definitely said they gave guaranteed dollars upfront in exchange for a clause that allows them to terminate the contract. At best you gave a poor example

In this particular instance, they gave a lot of guaranteed money and in exchange got 3 option years at the end. If Peterson did not want his rights controlled by the Vikings in '15, '16 and '17, then he shouldn't have signed the deal and taken their $36 million guaranteed dollars.

Other less-talented players sometimes have to sign contracts with 0 guaranteed dollars and the whole contract is (essentially) year-to-year options.

That fact does nothing to change a single thing I said.

 

[Rogah]

They are "whining" about his absence and everything else he has done this offseason, which are all things he is allowed to do under the current CBA.

Really? Where? I didn't see any twitter rants by the Vikings. Where are they whining? I think their coach answered a question when it was asked him, but I would like to see where they are whining.

it is "understood" that players can hold out for a new deal.

Absolutely he can hold out into the season. He won't because it will cost him millions of dollars, but he can certainly do that.

 

[Stash]

Not sure that follows. The Vikings are doing the paying, and the player is the one receiving the money. One side can reserve the right to cancel the deal if they don't think they're getting what they paid for. Just like, if a player were concerned he might likely outperform his contract if he signed for a long term he might opt for a single year deal, instead. A la Greg Hardy. It's not hypocritical because the parties aren't both brining the same things to the table. The party bringing the money to the table *ought* to have a recourse in the event they don't feel they're getting what they've paid for. It's only an issue because there are other sports leagues who have foolishly committed to guaranteeing payment for an outcome that's not guarantee-able.

I'm not advocating the NFL guaranteeing contracts. I think that's a bad deal and one that hinders motivation. But I'm not going to blast players who wants deals revisited when teams routinely cut players and don't hold up their end of deals either.

 

[Stash]

Well you obviously have no clue what an escape clause in a contract is.

You're fabricating options and clauses in a desparate attempt to support a failed position. And you're failing miserably.

Then every single team in the Naitonal Football League regularly fails to honor contracts.

Of course they do, all the time. That's why I'm not longer ignorant enough to blame players for wanted contracts reworked either. I see it for the two-way street it is.

Geez, you think someone would sue those teams with all the failing-to-honor-contracts going on.
OK, then here's a dose of the truth: You have no idea what you are talking about.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[Nightman]

Not sure that follows. The Vikings are doing the paying, and the player is the one receiving the money. One side can reserve the right to cancel the deal if they don't think they're getting what they paid for. Just like, if a player were concerned he might likely outperform his contract if he signed for a long term he might opt for a single year deal, instead. A la Greg Hardy. It's not hypocritical because the parties aren't both brining the same things to the table. The party bringing the money to the table *ought* to have a recourse in the event they don't feel they're getting what they've paid for. It's only an issue because there are other sports leagues who have foolishly committed to guaranteeing payment for an outcome that's not guarantee-able.

If the Vikings want Peterson to honor the deal then they should be expected to honor it as well. Just because they are paying him and have paid him in the past they don't get to string him along without consequences. Both sides being satisfied is the sign of a fair deal. Just because you have a hammer it doesn't mean you should use it to kill an ant. It wouldn't be fair if Peterson held out into the season and then just retired. He would be tying up millions in cap space and leaving the team in a tough spot. He could do it, but it would be a jerk move. See Ratliff.

Everyone is pretending this is some rare dispute instead of admitting that everyone knows all NFL contracts are basically toothless after the guaranteed money is gone. MINN can cut him and owe him nothing and Peterson can retire and owe them nothing. All signing bonuses aren't created equal. Some are meant to cover many years of the deal and some are meant to be the base salary for year one and two. Peterson has been paid well, but he deserved it since he is one of the top RBs this generation. MINN doesn't get extra credit for paying top dollar for a star and they definitely don't get any future considerations for past contract details.

 

[Nightman]

You're fabricating options and clauses in a desparate attempt to support a failed position. And you're failing miserably.



Of course they do, all the time. That's why I'm not longer ignorant enough to blame players for wanted contracts reworked either. I see it for the two-way street it is.



Pot meet kettle.

He keeps trying to invent these things to buttress his terrible argument. It was option years and now it's escape clauses. He just can't admit he hates Peterson and he hopes the Vikings actually screw him over.

Peterson clearly wants out of his deal, but he is also making it clear that if MINN wants to play hardball and keep him, then he will be a PITA and that he wants his contract restructured to guarantee more money. That is something star players do every year.

 

[Stash]

He keeps trying to invent these things to buttress his terrible argument. It was option years and now it's escape clauses. He just can't admit he hates Peterson and he hopes the Vikings actually screw him over.

I'm fine with him having a differing opinion in Peterson to Dallas. But when it goes to the extremes of just making up nonsense to try to justify a blatant double standard? Yeah, he can lie to himself, not anyone else.

But I'm done discussing it with him. He either gets it or he doesn't.

 

[Nightman]

I'm fine with him having a differing opinion in Peterson to Dallas. But when it goes to the extremes of just making up nonsense to try to justify a blatant double standard? Yeah, he can lie to himself, not anyone else.

But I'm done discussing it with him. He either gets it or he doesn't.

I agree.

Everything I'm posting is just my read on the situation based on what is known.

I don't know what is going to happen, but I don't expect MINN to just honor the contract and pay Peterson.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I can't keep up with this thread. Could someone PM me and let me know who's winning? Thanks!

 

[joseephuss]

I'm not advocating the NFL guaranteeing contracts. I think that's a bad deal and one that hinders motivation. But I'm not going to blast players who wants deals revisited when teams routinely cut players and don't hold up their end of deals either.

When have the Vikings not held up their end of the deal with respect to Peterson?