Adrian Peterson threatening retirement

[Doomsday101]

I disagree. People will write off a bad season due to the obvious issues he has playing for the Vikings.

However I am on the fence with him anyway. I don't know what kind of contract he will demand and I don't know that Dallas will agree to a deal with him even if he was cut. Only our front office knows that.

I believe 100% that the Vikings are making a mistake by keeping him when he doesn't want to be there. He had 1200 yards in 2013. They will end up getting nothing in return when he has another 1200 yards this year and gets cut after the season due to his salary ect. This is what teams do when they have no marketable faces on the roster who can sell the tickets and luxury boxes like Peterson does.

They are depending on him to be a professional, players say many things as a means to get more or have changes made to existing contracts. Personally I think Peterson will go once the mandatory camp comes around and will do his job. After next season the Vikes will have to once again make the choice of trading or releasing him since AP is still under a contract with them until 2018. If Minn chooses to release him how would it benefit AP to be coming off a poor season?
I think Minn knows very well AP will come in and play hard

 

[Doomsday101]

That's a silly analogy. When the deal was signed, everyone knew that if the Vikings cut him, he keeps the signing bonus (and would be due all guaranteed funds). Everybody also knew that the final 3 years of the deal were each club options, with no obligation for the Vikes to keep him, no obligation for the Vikes to cut him, and no obligation for the Vikes to trade him. Their only obligation is if they keep him, they have to pay $13/$15/$17 million respectively.

If he didn't like those terms, he should not have signed the deal.

I was agree with you and do not think it is silly analogy to show that teams take risk on these deals and when things do not work out the team is not compensated the player is not forced to give up anything nor should they. In this case Minn took the risk and paid out a hugh deal for the next 6 season, when AP got injured they still paid him as they should have. Now that they are out from under the rock of bonuses and guaranteed portion of the contract it allows them more leeway in how they want to proceed but that too is the right of franchises

 

[Rogah]

I disagree. People will write off a bad season due to the obvious issues he has playing for the Vikings.

Bull. He had a good-but-not-great (by his standards) 2013 and barely played in 2014. If he has a mediocre 2015, teams are going to see a 31 year old RB who hasn't had a great season since 2012.

His performance on the field this year will directly impact the money he gets.

 

[Rogah]

I was agree with you and do not think it is silly analogy to show that teams take risk on these deals and when things do not work out the team is not compensated the player is not forced to give up anything nor should they.

That's an excellent point. By guaranteeing $36 million, they took a pretty big chance on the guy.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's an excellent point. By guaranteeing $36 million, they took a pretty big chance on the guy.

And if AP shows up for camp he will be paid 15.4 mill that Minn will have to pay for the entire season. If AP gets hurt they still pay him 15.4 mill, if he has a bad season he still gets 15.4 mill. After the season is done Minn has to make a choice trade or release since AP is still under contract and slacking off this season in no way helps AP at all, heck next year if he remains in Minn that is once again 15 mill dollar deal and if released AP I think understands well enough that teams will not be as interested in a 31 year old RB coming off a bad season especially one who missed the season before and had a less than stealer season in 2013 and was also injured at the end of the 2013 season.

 

[erod]

Peterson is trying as hard as he can to force his way out. I'd even bet his agent told Jerry privately, "Look, this isn't how Adrian is, but he's going to be a royal butt all summer long." I think he shows up the day before the season starts if they don't trade him.

It might work. That organization can talk tough if it wants, but do they really want their whole TICKET SELLING summer and training camp to be about this, and this alone? If Peterson persists, he can just hang over that team like a dark cloud.

And do they really just sit him out of petulant spite? Do they want to tell their fan base, we could have gotten a high draft pick for him, but we wanted to make him suffer? That would be a stupid football decision.

What Peterson is doing is wrong. But on the other hand, he's been a good soldier for a long time with a horrific franchise.

 

[Stash]

I think they have honored the deal it was a 6 year deal not a 3 year deal, I think if Peterson chooses to play and not retire Minn is paying 15 mill for his services and once the season starts they are on the hook for it

Dance, dance, dance...

 

[Stash]

I'll ask you the same question: How are they not honoring the contract? Please do keep in mind that the contract is structured in such a way (in conjuntiton with the CBA) such that each of the final 3 years are club options, and there are no guarantees how the club will exercise those options.

That's untrue, but I'm sure you know that. It's a contract. They're not option years, they're terms agreed to by both sides. But some people want to dance around that fact to try to make it look OK when a particular side fails to honor them.

Hypocrites.

 

[Stash]

Gee, I didn't realize that speculating was against forum rules.

We all must have missed the part where you were doing that and instead focused on the part where you stated it as fact.

Tell us, smart guy, which part of my statement do you disagree with? Do you think he would rather get $16 million over the next 2 years or $13 million over the next 1 year (then be a UFA)?

I think he wants out. The most important thing for him I believe is getting out of Minnesota and to Dallas. I believe that finances are a distant second. But if the Vikings are going to be expect him to honor a contract, he expects the same commitment from them.

 

[Stash]

That's correct but they would have to give a huge signing bonus.

No team would have to assume a cap hit that large, but also no team would get him for fewer real dollars.

I disagree.

 

[Stash]

I sure wish someone would explain what part of the contract the Vikings are not honoring. Have they withheld any payments for services rendered? Have they failed to provide the amount of guaranteed money agreed to? Is there any single thing in the contract promised to Peterson that has not been provided?

According to your own logic, any time a team cuts a player with time left on his deal, they are not "honoring the contract." I am sure that means you think Dallas should immediately convert all time remaining on all their players' contracts into guaranteed dollars. Otherwise they're not honoring the contracts, right? Right?

That's pretty obvious. You either honor a contract or you don't. There's no grey area.

Practice what they're preaching to him and not be hypocrites. He's calling an obvious bluff.
The 2nd rate franchises are the ones who cave into player demands. I respect the Vikings for not doing so.

So then the Cowboys are "second rate" for restructuring Scandrick's deal and giving him more money? Just so we're consistant here...

 

[Doomsday101]

Dance, dance, dance...

I'm not dancing at all I said straight forward that Minn has paid him what they agreed on, based not on a 3 year deal but a 6 year deal. AP has his money in hand that both agreed on. That is not dancing that is being honest that is being factual not spinning because you want AP so bad that no matter what Minn does in your eyes they are wrong.

 

[Stash]

I'm not dancing at all I said straight forward that Minn has paid him what they agreed on, based not on a 3 year deal but a 6 year deal. AP has his money in hand that both agreed on. That is not dancing that is being honest that is being factual not spinning because you want AP so bad that no matter what Minn does in your eyes they are wrong.

Answer the question!

 

[Doomsday101]

Answer the question!

What this question , "Do you expect the Vikings will honor the contract that they're saying Peterson should?"

I think they fully plan to honor this year beyond that who can say, will AP get injured? will AP play drop off? Will AP put up a fantastic season? There are a lot of factors that go into this and the simple fact you are dealing with a 30 year old back who next year will be a 31 year old RB and will be 33 at the end of the full deal.

I think this year he will play, I think a very good season will see him make it to 2016, 2017 and a 17 mill dollar deal? highly unlikely

Some around here are quick to say contracts are based not on what you did in the past but the perceived view of what you will do in the future.

 

[Rogah]

That's untrue, but I'm sure you know that. It's a contract. They're not option years, they're terms agreed to by both sides. But some people want to dance around that fact to try to make it look OK when a particular side fails to honor them.

Hypocrites.

Those final 3 years are, for all intents and purposes, club option years - and Peterson knew it when he signed the deal.

The only people dancing here are those who act like those 3 years were guaranteed promises..

 

[Rogah]

We all must have missed the part where you were doing that and instead focused on the part where you stated it as fact.



I think he wants out. The most important thing for him I believe is getting out of Minnesota and to Dallas. I believe that finances are a distant second. But if the Vikings are going to be expect him to honor a contract, he expects the same commitment from them.

Yes we all agree he wants out, but you completely ignored my question. I'll try again:

Do you think he would rather take $13 million from Minneosta this year then be a UFA, or take $16 over the next 2 years?

You know I'm right, it's just funny how you can't admit it.

 

[DFWJC]

Peterson is trying as hard as he can to force his way out. I'd even bet his agent told Jerry privately, "Look, this isn't how Adrian is, but he's going to be a royal butt all summer long." I think he shows up the day before the season starts if they don't trade him.

It might work. That organization can talk tough if it wants, but do they really want their whole TICKET SELLING summer and training camp to be about this, and this alone? If Peterson persists, he can just hang over that team like a dark cloud.

And do they really just sit him out of petulant spite? Do they want to tell their fan base, we could have gotten a high draft pick for him, but we wanted to make him suffer? That would be a stupid football decision.

What Peterson is doing is wrong. But on the other hand, he's been a good soldier for a long time with a horrific franchise.

But given that Peterson has ALWAYS been like this regarding players vs ownership, Jerry would know not to believe the agent.

I mean, this is the guy who has been very vocal about the NFL being "modern day slavery" for the players.
This is really how he feels.

 

[Rogah]

That's pretty obvious. You either honor a contract or you don't. There's no grey area.

According to your silly logic, any team that cuts a player prior to his contract ending (which every team does all the time) is "not honoring the contract."

The Vikings have honored every single part of that contract they said they would. But part of that contract (in conjunction with the CBA) is the right to consider the final 3 years as club options.

 

[Rogah]

But given that Peterson has ALWAYS been like this regarding players vs ownership, Jerry would know not to believe the agent.

I mean, this is the guy who has been very vocal about the NFL being "modern day slavery" for the players.
This is really how he feels.

Amen. People who think this is all just one big ploy to play for Dallas are fooling themselves. He wants money and if he got cut bug the Vikings, he will go wherever the money is.

 

[Stash]

According to your silly logic, any team that cuts a player prior to his contract ending (which every team does all the time) is "not honoring the contract."

The Vikings have honored every single part of that contract they said they would. But part of that contract (in conjunction with the CBA) is the right to consider the final 3 years as club options.

It's fact. Both sides honor a contract to completion or they don't. No grey area.