Albert Breer note on La'El Collins going undrafted

ChldsPlay said:
You don't think every business caps how much they are willing to pay their employees? It's called budgeting.
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Thank you for the business lesson.

Are businesses allowed to form a contract with other businesses to artificially keep all the workers who they are competeing for from making over a certain amount of money?

Having a rule capping their salaries is not even close to the same as budgeting. How'd you like if they capped your salary? How would the owners like it if what they could make was capped?

It is a cap preventing the players from earning their market values. The NFL is made up of teams. These teams are individual businesses competing against each other to acquire labor and product.

They like to have it both ways. It's funny(to me) they have so many pompon waving supporters.

On 3-----GO OWNERS!!! Stick it to those players that are only entertaining us because of the wonderful talent you provide them.
 
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Carharris2 said:
Thank you for the business lesson.

Are businesses allowed to form a contract with other businesses to artificially keep all the workers who they are competeing for from making over a certain amount of money?

Having a rule capping their salaries is not even close to the same as budgeting. How'd you like if they capped your salary? How would the owners like it if what they could make was capped?

It is a cap preventing the players from earning their market values. The NFL is made up of teams. These teams are individual businesses competing against each other to acquire labor and product.

They like to have it both ways. It's funny(to me) they have so many pompon waving supporters.

On 3-----GO OWNERS!!! Stick it to those players that are only entertaining us because of the wonderful talent you provide them.
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If it is agreed upon through collective bargaining with employees, yes. You seem to be confused about the business structure of the NFL. These are not 32 teams in commercial competition with each other. The competition is on the field. Instead of looking at it as 32 companies, try looking at it as 1 company with 32 departments that all try to get the best personnel or their department. The one entity is built upon some type of balance among the "departments." There is an overall budget for employees, and each department gets an equal share of that budget to allocate as they see fit.

And guess what, my salary is capped. It's capped at whatever the maximum my employer is willing to pay me. Just like every single other person that works for someone. If anyone wants to be free from that, then they can start their own business. Nothing is preventing the players from earning their market values.
 
So if Collins has a great season will we be able to afford to keep him? I'd much rather keep Frederick (Martin and Tyron Smith will be career Cowboys) because of his leadership if it came down to Frederick and Collins. I do think they should keep the line as strong as possible for as long as possible even at the expense of signing offensive and defensive weapons. Hopefully Romo's contract going off the books will help in this regard.
 
ActualCowboysFan said:
They have to watch baseball and basketball and just cringe.
Much less successful leagues.
Massive guaranteed contracts.
Guys retire and can still walk and talk.
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Chris Bosch is killing the Miami Heat. He hasn't played in forever and won't ever be medically cleared to play and they still owe him on his 100 million dollar contract.
 
Carharris2 said:
The NFL players take it in the rear. They have no leverage, I guess.

The owners must not be doing that well either since they are forced to have tax payers pay for "their" stadiums in most cases.
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Yes
When Dez got hurt and could not play for most of the year he had to pay back his guaranteed bonus
Romo did the same last year

Yep, those players sure take it in the rear
 
mancefine said:
So if Collins has a great season will we be able to afford to keep him? I'd much rather keep Frederick (Martin and Tyron Smith will be career Cowboys) because of his leadership if it came down to Frederick and Collins. I do think they should keep the line as strong as possible for as long as possible even at the expense of signing offensive and defensive weapons. Hopefully Romo's contract going off the books will help in this regard.
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Collins will still be a restricted free agent next year. So they can give him a 2nd round tender ($2.746) or possibly a 1st round one ($3.91). Another team theoretically could still sign him to an offer sheet but they would have the right to match or the other team would have to give up the tender in compensation. And after tendering they could also sign him to an new contract as well.
 
ChldsPlay said:
If it is agreed upon through collective bargaining with employees, yes. You seem to be confused about the business structure of the NFL. These are not 32 teams in commercial competition with each other. The competition is on the field. Instead of looking at it as 32 companies, try looking at it as 1 company with 32 departments that all try to get the best personnel or their department. The one entity is built upon some type of balance among the "departments." There is an overall budget for employees, and each department gets an equal share of that budget to allocate as they see fit.

And guess what, my salary is capped. It's capped at whatever the maximum my employer is willing to pay me. Just like every single other person that works for someone. If anyone wants to be free from that, then they can start their own business. Nothing is preventing the players from earning their market values.
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The teams are in competition for the players. At least when they become free agents. You are confused about the competition amongst the teams. At least one team. That's America's team. The team that does not share merchandise revuenue with the other teams. So they are in competition in that market at least.

The owners are preventing the players from earning their market values. Yes. It is through collective bargaining that they've achieved this and that doesn't make it any less anti free market. The players are the product and the labor force. They lack any real competition like the other major sports which would give them leverage. Which makes this different from most, if not all, other businesses.

The problem with your 32 departments example is that these 32 departments in a normal market wouldn't have an exclusive business for these workers to display their talents. The restrictions for the number of franchises, which very well could be profitable, makes this monopoly work and enables the capping of labor and product costs while at the same time leaving some markets open to use as leverage so they can threaten to leave cities for another. It's a racket in many ways.
 
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Bryan Broaddus made an interesting prediction lately that La'el Collins will eventually return to his old spot at LG, while Green return to his old spot at RT. It should prove interesting to see whether or not that bold prediction comes to pass or not. Of course, he's betting that Green's health will also accommodate and facilitate his return to that position. To be continued . . . ;)
 
Bullflop said:
Bryan Broaddus made an interesting prediction lately that La'el Collins will eventually return to his old spot at LG, while Green return to his old spot at RT. It should prove interesting to see whether or not that bold prediction comes to pass or not. Of course, he's betting that Green's health will also accommodate and facilitate his return to that position. To be continued . . . ;)
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perhaps it will get green a lil nervous and facilitate doing everything it takes to earn the spot? not impressed with this guy so far...if it is based on injury, then so be it...it just means that the coaches are close to moving on...if it is based on something else, then the coaches putting a superior talent there should "motivate" Green somewhat...either way, good move to put collins out there
 
Bullflop said:
Bryan Broaddus made an interesting prediction lately that La'el Collins will eventually return to his old spot at LG, while Green return to his old spot at RT. It should prove interesting to see whether or not that bold prediction comes to pass or not. Of course, he's betting that Green's health will also accommodate and facilitate his return to that position. To be continued . . . ;)
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A lot of the time I would bet on whatever is opposite of what Broaddus predicts and I usually won.
 
Pants said:
perhaps it will get green a lil nervous and facilitate doing everything it takes to earn the spot? not impressed with this guy so far...if it is based on injury, then so be it...it just means that the coaches are close to moving on...if it is based on something else, then the coaches putting a superior talent there should "motivate" Green somewhat...either way, good move to put collins out there
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Lots of competition will be the calling card of the upcoming camp. I'm hoping the best man for each of the OL spots will be found. Of course, just because Broaddus predicted Green to end up being our RT when all is said and done doesn't mean it's a sure thing, either. On the other hand, perhaps it's just as well that Green doesn't get over-exposed to too much practice getting ready for live action, considering his vulnerability to injury. I think La'el will do well wherever he ends up, though.
 
Carharris2 said:
The teams are in competition for the players. At least when they become free agents. You are confused about the competition amongst the teams. At least one team. That's America's team. The team that does not share merchandise revuenue with the other teams. So they are in competition in that market at least.

The owners are preventing the players from earning their market values. Yes. It is through collective bargaining that they've achieved this and that doesn't make it any less anti free market. The players are the product and the labor force. They lack any real competition like the other major sports which would give them leverage. Which makes this different from most, if not all, other businesses.

The problem with your 32 departments example is that these 32 departments in a normal market wouldn't have an exclusive business for these workers to display their talents. The restrictions for the number of franchises, which very well could be profitable, makes this monopoly work and enables the capping of labor and product costs while at the same time leaving some markets open to use as leverage so they can threaten to leave cities for another. It's a racket in many ways.
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The fact that football is a limited industry does not change anything about the free market.
Limiting the size of this one entity does not make it less of a free market. In fact, if the market was that strong and these other cities could have teams, then someone can start other leagues with their own rules, etc. And of course, players are free to find employment anywhere else in the world. They are not entitled to a job in football. They are not entitled to whatever they want to make. Nobody is.

And cities are free to say no.
 
Bullflop said:
Bryan Broaddus made an interesting prediction lately that La'el Collins will eventually return to his old spot at LG, while Green return to his old spot at RT. It should prove interesting to see whether or not that bold prediction comes to pass or not. Of course, he's betting that Green's health will also accommodate and facilitate his return to that position. To be continued . . . ;)
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That would be putting our five best out there. But that speaks more to our lack of OL talent behind the top four than it does Green.
 
I don't think its Collins vs. Green at RT but rather Green (at RT) vs. Cooper (or someone) else at LG based on performance and availability. Collins is our 4th best Olineman and will be on the field, barring injury, one way or the other IMO.
 
combineengineer said:
I don't think its Collins vs. Green at RT but rather Green (at RT) vs. Cooper (or someone) else at LG based on performance and availability. Collins is our 4th best Olineman and will be on the field, barring injury, one way or the other IMO.
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My guess is that if Green is healthy leading up to game 1, that he will be the RT with Collins back at LG.

Then if Green gets injured again, Collins moves to RT permanently.
 
Alexander said:
That would be putting our five best out there. But that speaks more to our lack of OL talent behind the top four than it does Green.
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To be completely candid here, I've never regarded Green as one comparable to the talent offered by the rest of the OL. By far, the primary hope that I hold for him is for him to to stay healthy throughout the year until we can draft another RT capable of being a healthy and capable starter.

I see Green as possibly being better suited to serve as a backup. His lack of durability doesn't appear worthy of a starter. As far as his overall performance is concerned, I think we'll get a much better idea what he's capable of once the upcoming season is in the books.
 
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combineengineer said:
I don't think its Collins vs. Green at RT but rather Green (at RT) vs. Cooper (or someone) else at LG based on performance and availability. Collins is our 4th best Olineman and will be on the field, barring injury, one way or the other IMO.
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