Albert Breer on Jaylon Smith

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So is the nerve firing or not? Just last week everyone was saying it wasn't firing and he was just going to play that way. Now Albert says it is.

All liars should be shot on sight.

The report from Rappaport was the former and it read like a worst case scenario interpretation of what Stephen said at the combine. He said that there was no improvement in the nerve.

That was amidst all kinds of reports that the nerve was regenerating.

Breer was at the combine and answered the questions we have been asking regarding the nerve firing and him being able to move his foot directly. The rest of the article was speculation as to how he would perform if he had to wear an AFO.

I know who I find more credible personally and that is Breer by a mile.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Is this a joke?

On the one hand say that you believe that his peroneal is innervating and then on the other grandstand on a Rappoport quote stating that there is no improvement.

Then you accuse me of ignoring statements. Nevermind that the two statements are mutually exclusive.

And accusing me of ignoring arguments is more vitamin I coming from the guy who ignores any argument he doesn't have a rebuttal for. Ignoring merit and fixating on me is what you do. You love to talk about me. Your above post is yet another example of it.

Bottomline is that he can now pick his foot up at an interval of about once a second. We have seen him do it. We also have corroboration that the muscle is innervated and he has dorsiflexion.

You are flat-out lying.

End of story.

Go to that thread, find my post where I'm supposedly grandstanding on Rappoport's quote and provide it. Go ahead. You made the claim. Back it up.

Don't pivot or digress. You've accused me of something very specific which should be easy to support. I've teed it up for you; simply go fetch the quote.

You're flailing making up a strawman because you don't know what to do with the fact I'm on record with my belief that Jaylon recovery has progressed, but you're feelings are hurt because I don't buy into your uninformed extrapolations from the available evidence and your strident and unsubstantiated conclusions.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are flat-out lying.

End of story.

Go to that thread, find my post where I'm supposedly grandstanding on Rappoport's quote and provide it. Go ahead. You made the claim. Back it up.

Don't pivot or digress. You've accused me of something very specific which should be easy to support. I've teed it up for you; simply go fetch the quote.

You're flailing making up a strawman because you don't know what to do with the fact I'm on record with my belief that Jaylon recovery has progressed, but you're feelings are hurt because I don't buy into your uninformed extrapolations from the available evidence and your strident and unsubstantiated conclusions.

Like it's hard.

Case-in-point #3, you said "I asked you for specifics of what other progress that could explain his increased performance and you have none." The problem with this BS is claim is that I've outlined where I think Jaylon's progress is. Ironically, I think we have the same outlook on his rehab/recovery status outside of the fact I won't make claim that he's lifting his foot without any credible evidence. Rappaport came out with his report and you shot the messenger, yet Mike Fisher just stated this past Wednesday that "Jaylon Smith has dropfoot." You've conveniently ignored that; go figure.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/jaylon-smiths-nerve-not-firing.372992/page-18#post-7237587

You were doubling down on this post of yours from earlier that you claimed that I ignored.

By Mike Fisher

I’ve reported it all a skillion (a Jerry Jones pet number) times:

*Jaylon Smith has dropfoot.

*There is “medical hope’’ regarding the nerve in his knee firing, but there are no guarantees.

*The suggestion that he can play with a brace on his foot and ankle to supplement the feeling in the knee and stabilize the dropfoot is a theory, not a fact.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/jaylon-smiths-nerve-not-firing.372992/page-13#post-7235084

Now you are shooting the messenger, ignoring Florio, and claiming that I am the one that plays 3 card monte. It's a cheap tactic to poison the well like that.

Still have not heard an explanation of what I do to reframe the dropfoot argument.

 

[AmericasTeam81]

When do OTA's begin?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When do OTA's begin?

They did not announce the schedule until April last year but it is usually end of May. The draft is not until the end of April and they have a rookie minicamp where a lot of second year guys go quickly following that.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/jaylon-smiths-nerve-not-firing.372992/page-18#post-7237587

You were doubling down on this post of yours from earlier that you claimed that I ignored.

So where is the grandstanding on the content of Rappaport's tweet? You're floundering just cutting and pasting links with the hope of trying to make it appear like you've actually responded to the challenge; this is just baseless empty posturing from you, smh.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/jaylon-smiths-nerve-not-firing.372992/page-13#post-7235084

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/jaylon-smiths-nerve-not-firing.372992/page-13#post-7235084

Now you are shooting the messenger, ignoring Florio, and claiming that I am the one that plays 3 card monte. It's a cheap tactic to poison the well like that.

Still have not heard an explanation of what I do to reframe the dropfoot argument.

WTH are you talking about, lol? Ignoring Florio?

My post that you just quoted was a post taken from scout.com from Mike Fisher. You had chastised xwalker on another thread for not being able to produce a quote from Mike Fisher reporting Jaylon had drop foot as if you'd believe it if it could actually be sourced. I posted it. Predictably, you went into damage control and now throw Mike Fisher under the bus for reporting something contrary to your conclusions. You're far too predictable and easy. You feign objectivity but filter out any information that's in conflict with your opinion. Basically, you're useless.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/06/myles-garrett-combine-cleveland-browns-nfl-draft

Jaylon Smith’s Drop Foot

Photo: Max Faulkner/Fort Worth Star-Telegram/TNS via Getty Images
Cowboys linebacker Jaylon Smith is still recovering from the serious knee injury he suffered in his final collegiate game at Notre Dame.
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told Dallas reporters on Saturday that 2016 second-round pick Jaylon Smith would be able to play in the fall with the help of an AFO (ankle/foot orthoses) brace.

Now, the whole truth, as I understand it: The team very much views any and everything it gets from Smith in 2017 as a bonus. In last year’s draft, nerve damage and a resulting case of drop foot knocked Smith, previously a potential top-5 pick, out of the first-round altogether. The nerve has started firing again, and he’s gained foot activation, but he’s nowhere close to full strength and may never get there.

Can he be effective playing with the brace? This sounds harsh, but it’s unlikely.

The brace is designed to allow the most basic of things—your foot to clear the ground when you take a step forward. It’s designed to stabilize but it doesn’t recreate the energy you normally generate when you push off your foot. And that’s why Dr. Thomas Gill, the former Patriots team doc who saw ex-New England RB Robert Edwards go through this scenario almost two decades ago, is skeptical on Smith.

“A hinged AFO will allow you to have your foot flex up, but not have it slap down,” Gill said over the weekend. “So basically you wear a brace so when you’re running or walking, your foot can have clearance when you swing your leg forward. But it’s not built for speed.

“Robert Edwards, he played with it for a while but lasted less than a season doing that. And he was a running back. You have to be a freakish athlete where you can afford to lose 20 or 25 percent of your speed, at least, and 45 percent of your power, and still be able to compete in the NFL.”

And playing with the ailment isn’t without risk, either.

“The risk is that you’re going to be more prone to injury. Your foot’s going to get caught in an awkward position,” Gill continued. “So if you’re in a pile-up, you know the classic high ankle sprain mechanism where the guy falls on the back of your leg? That leg’s going to be a lot more prone to getting caught in an awkward position, because he can’t point his toe.”

Now there’s a chance the nerve improves over time and Smith gets back to full speed down the line. But Dallas isn’t counting on anything like that in the short term.

INTRIGUE!!!!!

 

[gmoney112]

I just want to know already.

GIVE ME AN ANSWER!!!!!!!

Hope the best for him, but once they added that he's going to play "... even if he has to use the brace", kinda took the wind out of my sails a bit.

 

[AbeBeta]

Interesting take and well explained.

The only comment I would make is that the technology of braces today is very likely far superior than the braces Edwards tried back in the day.

But he will never be the same playing with a brace. The best you can hope for is that he is an average player with the brace.

Yeah. An actual doctor wouldn't know that. Great post!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

@CalPolyTechnique xwalker wasn't in that thread. He had not posted since the thread on the video with my stills and whatnot from last week.

Further, you said nothing of xwalker in your post. You just posted the article heading it with, "From Mike Fisher himself."

Furthermore, even if it is true that you were referring to xwalker from a week earlier in a different thread it still speaks to your lack of logical consistency. You are posting something that contradicts what you claim now is and always has been your position.

As for Rappoport, I am not going to get bogged down into the semantics of the word "grandstanding" as you are clearly trying to do. It is both boring and besides the point.

I post you clearly contradicting yourself on your current position, pointing to Rappoport's tweets where he said there was no progress with the nerve.

If you want to try to dissemble into more ad hominems and ridiculing characterizations as the basis of your argument then I am going to just ignore you.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

@CalPolyTechnique xwalker wasn't in that thread. He had not posted since the thread on the video with my stills and whatnot from last week.

Further, you said nothing of xwalker in your post. You just posted the article heading it with, "From Mike Fisher himself."

Furthermore, even if it is true that you were referring to xwalker from a week earlier in a different thread it still speaks to your lack of logical consistency. You are posting something that contradicts what you claim now is and always has been your position.

As for Rappoport, I am not going to get bogged down into the semantics of the word "grandstanding" as you are clearly trying to do. It is both boring and besides the point.

I post you clearly contradicting yourself on your current position, pointing to Rappoport's tweets where he said there was no progress with the nerve.

If you want to try to dissemble into more ad hominems and ridiculing characterizations as the basis of your argument then I am going to just ignore you.

Ah yes, here's you going into your tried and true obtuse reasoning to purposely strain at the obvious.

Did you or did you not chastise xwalker for not being able to provide that quote from Mike Fisher? You sweated him about it as if you'd take it serious if he could produce what he was referencing and then pounced on him when he couldn't produce it immediately. I remembered that and did you one better by providing you a recently dated post from Mike Fisher stating exactly what xwalker claimed.

As for your Rappoport lie...of course you don't want to get "bogged down into the semantics." You spoke out your rear end again and got called-out and now you to recalibrate your claim. I never endorsed Rappoport's tweet. I highlighted your favorite predictable tactic of dismissing ANY AND ALL reports that contradict your claims, which is something you've been called-out by others as well. Now you're off to build your next strawman claiming I'm "ignoring Florio?" Let me guess, Florio said something that supports your claim and so now you're championing him as the bastion of truth.

Now the empty threats of putting me on ignore which boiled down is nothing more than you getting exposed for lying and hoping you can make the situation go away because your stories are crumbling.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Cowboys take players off their board every year.

The player with nerve damage happened to have the Cowboys own doc so they had inside knowledge about a top 5 impact player in the draft.

The two situations aren't the same.

I dont see how the Cowboys taking him or not taking him off the board has anything to do with our conversation. He obviously shouldnt have been off the board as the guy is a stud.

If he was off the board, it was a mistake. Just like NOT drafting him was a mistake.