Albert Breer on Jaylon Smith

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Albert Breer isn't a medical doctor, so his diagnosis is irrelevant. He even qualifies his statement with this:

He says he has "foot activation", whatever that means, and the follows it up with a couple of paragraphs about why he is still wearing an AFO. Obviously, if he is wearing a device that "will allow you to have your foot flex up, but not have it slap down", then he does not have full range of motion, as "Dallas isn’t counting on anything like that in the short term."

I generally like your posts, and I don't really care if you are smarter than me. You very well may be. What annoys me about this subject is that you take a hard line stance, without adequate knowledge of the subject, knowledge you will never have, and you belittle anyone who doesn't agree with your assertions. As I said before, your opinion on the subject is just as valid as the guy at the liquor store. You've been proven wrong on this subject multiple times, but continue your passive aggressive attacks on people.

This has run its course. If you would like to continue the discussion via PM, that's fine.

Oh goodie I get the last word.

You won't even acknowledge the nerve firing. That is telling. And I really like the obtuseness about what it means that he can now activate his foot. For some people never admitting an error is more important than the truth apparently.

The next several paragraphs are not about why he would have to wear the brace. The next few paragraphs were talking about how he would perform if he wore the brace. Not remotely the same thing. Read it again.

And a device that prevents your foot from slapping down and allows you to flex it up implies a full range of motion. It doesn't slap down but it still goes down. And if it flexes up then it is what it is: up and down.

As for what Dallas "counts on" you should listen to what Jerry has to say about ambiguity and how comfortable he is with it. All the Jones have been very systematic about not guaranteeing any particular outcome regarding Jaylon. That really is neither here nor there in terms of his actual prognosis.

It is interesting how you bias out anything you don't want to hear from non-doctors and with the same brain take everything that supports your preferred outcome from them. Jerry and Breer are not doctors so we should ignore what they say about his foot and nerve directly but we should pay attention when they say they aren't counting on him and when you think they are saying why he should wear a brace. Convenient.

As for the last bit, you feign the humility but then insist that my opinion is no more valid than anyone elses. You cannot even keep consistency in your own paragraph. You are hardly the first person that has come at me as you do. You all do the same thing.

Further you don't seem to understand the difference between a factual statement and a statement of opinion.

When I say that a video shows Jaylon dropping his foot and picking it backup that is fact and not opinion.

When I say that a nerve regenerates at an average of 1mm a day and given the distance of the injury it should be done regenerating to the foot in 6 months that is fact not opinion.

When I say that a nerve injury left the outer nerve intact and it has an average outcome of a time period based on actuarial data that is not opinion.

When I say that he is wearing a Ritchie Dynamic AFO at training camp that is fact not opinion.

When I say that he was medically cleared to resume physical activity from his ACL and PCL injury that is not opinion.

When I say that he is playing with his nieces, fully dressed, and not wearing an AFO that is not opinion.

Now you can dispute the truth of any of those facts or whether or not they lead to a conclusion but whether or not I have a medical license is irrelevant to the truth of them. There is an objective truth and it is still the truth no matter how repugnant you think it is.

That is what you don't seem to understand. I present facts, welcome others to present other facts, and to argue what is true or not so we can all come to our own conclusions. What I am hostile to people that do as you do and bias out facts that are contrary to their preferred outcome on the basis of my credibility. That is all you ever do.

 

[RoboQB]

My daughter is a orthotic & prosthetic technology specialist. I just talked to her about this specific case and she confirmed to me that the materials they use now days are far superior in recreating realistic movement of human appendages. She is very familiar with the brace that athletes use to overcome "drop foot" and suggested to me that Jaylon should have no problem adapting to the device and resume being all he can be.

I need to verify your daughter's creditials. What is her cowboyszone username?... lol... j/k

 

[negativecreep]

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/06/myles-garrett-combine-cleveland-browns-nfl-draft

Jaylon Smith’s Drop Foot

Photo: Max Faulkner/Fort Worth Star-Telegram/TNS via Getty Images
Cowboys linebacker Jaylon Smith is still recovering from the serious knee injury he suffered in his final collegiate game at Notre Dame.
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told Dallas reporters on Saturday that 2016 second-round pick Jaylon Smith would be able to play in the fall with the help of an AFO (ankle/foot orthoses) brace.

Now, the whole truth, as I understand it: The team very much views any and everything it gets from Smith in 2017 as a bonus. In last year’s draft, nerve damage and a resulting case of drop foot knocked Smith, previously a potential top-5 pick, out of the first-round altogether. The nerve has started firing again, and he’s gained foot activation, but he’s nowhere close to full strength and may never get there.

Can he be effective playing with the brace? This sounds harsh, but it’s unlikely.

The brace is designed to allow the most basic of things—your foot to clear the ground when you take a step forward. It’s designed to stabilize but it doesn’t recreate the energy you normally generate when you push off your foot. And that’s why Dr. Thomas Gill, the former Patriots team doc who saw ex-New England RB Robert Edwards go through this scenario almost two decades ago, is skeptical on Smith.

“A hinged AFO will allow you to have your foot flex up, but not have it slap down,” Gill said over the weekend. “So basically you wear a brace so when you’re running or walking, your foot can have clearance when you swing your leg forward. But it’s not built for speed.

“Robert Edwards, he played with it for a while but lasted less than a season doing that. And he was a running back. You have to be a freakish athlete where you can afford to lose 20 or 25 percent of your speed, at least, and 45 percent of your power, and still be able to compete in the NFL.”

And playing with the ailment isn’t without risk, either.

“The risk is that you’re going to be more prone to injury. Your foot’s going to get caught in an awkward position,” Gill continued. “So if you’re in a pile-up, you know the classic high ankle sprain mechanism where the guy falls on the back of your leg? That leg’s going to be a lot more prone to getting caught in an awkward position, because he can’t point his toe.”

Now there’s a chance the nerve improves over time and Smith gets back to full speed down the line. But Dallas isn’t counting on anything like that in the short term.

I will just wait and see, all this JS back and forth stuff is making my head spin, is he getting better? I don't know because he says he is, Jerry says he is, our incredible team Doc gave us the thumbs up to draft him, but articles like this keep popping up daily. Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Glad to see you are taking your Vitamin I. The thread they closed had you going from grandstanding on Rappoport's claims of no improvement in the nerve to you claiming that you have thought the nerve had been firing the whole time.

I posted my original stance from days after the draft. Neither of you have the ability to back up your claims.

Nope.

Myself, xwalker, CyberB0b and others have defended our claims, you just continue to play a shell game, moving the goal posts, treating your extrapolations as fact and blatantly ignoring answers provided to you and mindlessly parroting back the question as if it's being ignored...and of course (as always), all while claiming victory.

Case in point: You claim "The thread they closed had you going from grandstanding on Rappoport's claims of no improvement in the nerve to you claiming that you have thought the nerve had been firing the whole time."

So, I see you're trying a new tactic out in claiming that I just supposedly came around to Jaylon's nerve firing in the span of one thread. Of course, your claim has no basis in reality...

Ian Rapapport's tweet about Jaylon's nerve supposedly not firing was on March 1.

This (below) was my comment from Feb. 17. (post #187):

"And your point about Jaylon's nerve recovering and firing is what? I've never disputed that. I'm right on board with that prognosis. I believe his nerve has regrown and the innervation into the muscle is taking place, strength and function are returning, but there is still progress to be made."

Take the rest morning off, regroup and think of way to ignore, deflect or pivot from this.

 

[Chuck 54]

We will know from free agency and the draft what the Cowboys really think of his chances. If they truly believe he can play, they won't waste precious cap dollars or draft picks on any LB who will sit behind Smith and Lee. If we use free agent dollars or a draft pick on a Mike, it will be clear they still feel it's a long shot.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

What a waste of a premium pick.

 

[negativecreep]

What a waste of a premium pick.

Hope not, but I'm leaning that way right now, what was he number 34? Wow, fingers crossed.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I think Breer is usually a good journalist but his take on Jaylon was very poor. Because he talked to a guy who worked with a guy 20 years ago that had a somewhat similar - but not nearly the same - injury. As if each individual case isn't unique and as if there haven't been any advances in this field in 20 years. That's lazy journalism folks.

Typical east coast guy jumping on any train to make Dallas look bad - regardless of merit.

 

[CowboyRoy]

there was only Yannick Ngakoue who was not rated highly AFTER our 2nd round pick that had a good season.
he had 8 sacks but i dont think he was on our board, at least not very high if he was.
he was supposed to be quite raw.
furthermore,i believe he was taken 2 picks AFTER our 3rd round pick.
we may have been trying to trade up for Ohgah who was taken 2 ahead of JSmith.

You wanted a guy, I just gave you one. In a redraft of the 2016 draft he was going in the first round as were several other pass rushers. Some of them very high up. Just like Prescott was taken in the 4th, but was now the #1 pick in a redraft.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Don't have the list in front of me (and I'm not going to look for it ha!) but I think he was taken off the Cowboys board.

So what?

 

[IrishAnto]

The way I see it is this: Nobody really knows and only time will tell.

I hope for the best, but expect the worst.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So what?

That means we wouldn't have ever considered drafting him.

 

[phildadon86]

I'll be honest.

It wouldn't bother me in the least if we didn't see another Jaylon Smith article until August 1.

i could make it too the first game of the regular season and be totally fine with it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That means we wouldn't have ever considered drafting him.

No, that means that they may have not have considered it. Amazing how a quality pass rusher is off the board (based on your unconfirmed theory), yet a guy with nerve damage in his knee that wont play for at least a year is high on their list? So you take anything the Cowboys do or say as gospel? It has nothing to do with WE. WE is you and me and the fans.

Would you even consider that the Cowboys made a mistake? Going back in time would you take Smith or the rookie pass rusher with 8 sacks?

 

[DallasDomination]

45% of power is a lot. What's going with that assesment.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nope.

Myself, xwalker, CyberB0b and others have defended our claims, you just continue to play a shell game, moving the goal posts, treating your extrapolations as fact and blatantly ignoring answers provided to you and mindlessly parroting back the question as if it's being ignored...and of course (as always), all while claiming victory.

Case in point: You claim "The thread they closed had you going from grandstanding on Rappoport's claims of no improvement in the nerve to you claiming that you have thought the nerve had been firing the whole time."

So, I see you're trying a new tactic out in claiming that I just supposedly came around to Jaylon's nerve firing in the span of one thread. Of course, your claim has no basis in reality...

Ian Rapapport's tweet about Jaylon's nerve supposedly not firing was on March 1.

This (below) was my comment from Feb. 17. (post #187):


Take the rest morning off, regroup and think of way to ignore, deflect or pivot from this.

Is this a joke?

On the one hand say that you believe that his peroneal is innervating and then on the other grandstand on a Rappoport quote stating that there is no improvement.

Then you accuse me of ignoring statements. Nevermind that the two statements are mutually exclusive.

And accusing me of ignoring arguments is more vitamin I coming from the guy who ignores any argument he doesn't have a rebuttal for. Ignoring merit and fixating on me is what you do. You love to talk about me. Your above post is yet another example of it.

Bottomline is that he can now pick his foot up at an interval of about once a second. We have seen him do it. We also have corroboration that the muscle is innervated and he has dorsiflexion.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Amazing how a quality pass rusher is off the board (based on your unconfirmed theory), yet a guy with nerve damage in his knee that wont play for at least a year is high on their list?

The Cowboys take players off their board every year.

The player with nerve damage happened to have the Cowboys own doc so they had inside knowledge about a top 5 impact player in the draft.

The two situations aren't the same.

 

[Proximo]

At this point I am literally 100% uninterested in any Jaylon article unless it includes direct quotes from HIM or his doctor.

All of these speculation pieces add zero value.

I don't think I've ever seen a topic that's based on speculation be so beaten to death on this board like this topic has.

Maybe the infamous "Dez video". Maybe.

 

[Little Jr]

The new afo shows he has more movement in his foot but it still shows he needs help with the lift.

 

[YosemiteSam]

So is the nerve firing or not? Just last week everyone was saying it wasn't firing and he was just going to play that way. Now Albert says it is.

All liars should be shot on sight.