All 22 film - how covered was Dez

[CowboyStar88]

So let's see here that is @CyberB0b @erod @Section444 and @xwalker Anything to say for yourselves?

You forgot Gameover

 

[drawandstrike]

Except if you look at Brady and Rodgers, these games are outliers.

Rodgers had 40 touchdowns last year. Brady had 28 in 12 games (good for 37 for a full year). That's compared to 24 Dak had last year.

Am I convinced that he is going to outpace himself compared to a few veteran QBs that had mild mannered games?

Nope.

We have a highly efficient QB with 1 of the strongest ground games backing him up. He doesn't NEED to toss 40 TD's a yr. He only needs to toss around 20 or so and let Zeke & the RB's have the other 20 TD's.

Last season Dallas scored 24 TD's rushing the ball and 25 throwing it [1 by Romo & 1 by Dez Bryant]. I'm fine with Dak managing around a 90 QBR per game and tossing just 20-25 TD's while Zeke and the RB's score about 24 times this season.

 

[Blackspider214]

I want Dak to throw it up for him on occasion. I trust Dez on contested throws. Learn that back shoulder throw that was indefensibly deadly with Romo.

It will come with time. Those are the throws QB are the most nervous to do, especially the young ones. It's usually frowned upon to just throw it up there. But when you have certain WRs, it is not a bad idea.

 

[Jstopper]

Jenkins manned up on Dez most of the night as usual. That doesn't mean there was never a safety over the top of anything.

BREAKING: THE NEW YORK GIANTS HAVE SAFETIES!

LOL, good gosh.

But you're the one who said there was no safety over the top? Do you think everybody else is stupid and cannot read what you blatantly said? Nice backpedal tho, you ever thought about being a cornerback?

 

[Jstopper]

Some poster that I've never heard of posted a review specifically to show that Dez was not always single covered. Is that supposed to mean something to me?

I've posted dozens of reviews here over the years and this guy has posted 1 as far as I know.

An actual review posted with all-22 that shows your Dez statements are misguided at best and agenda driven blatant lies at worst

 

[erod]

But you're the one who said there was no safety over the top? Do you think everybody else is stupid and cannot read what you blatantly said? Nice backpedal tho, you ever thought about being a cornerback?

Do you honestly think I meant every single play of the game?

I guess I need to better understand my audience.

 

[Jstopper]

Do you honestly think I meant every single play of the game?

I guess I need to better understand my audience.

Which again is a blatant lie. So now you say Jenkins manned him up majority of the night solo when there are more plays he had safety help than plays that he didnt. LOL this gets funnier by the post

 

[erod]

Which again is a blatant lie. So now you say Jenkins manned him up majority of the night solo when there are more plays he had safety help than plays that he didnt. LOL this gets funnier by the post

Yes, he did.

Did you watch the damn game? LOL

 

[CATCH17]

Thanks for the play-by-play breakdown.

Guys like Julio, AB, etc. play different schemes with different purposes and concepts. This game was the most I've ever seen Dez play in the Y. He almost always plays in the X and year-after-year runs the most 9 routes of any WR in the league. And that's with a team that doesn't throw that much since 2014. And #2 in terms of the amount of 9 routes in the league is T-Will. And prior to Dez...T.O. and Miles Austin were league leaders in amount of 9 routes ran in a year.

We are a scheme that wants to get about 50/50 split in run vs. pass plays. These days going 50/50 is like going 55/45 run/pass back in the 90's.

So we run a ton of 9 routes to stretch the field vertically to help open up the run game and get 7 in the box instead of 8 or 9 in the box. Whereas players like Brown, Jones, etc. are in offenses designed to get them the ball particularly in open space quite frequently. There was a particular play that we had where Dez ran a route that took 3 defenders with him and Beasley took 1 defender and I think it was Witten took another player and then T-Will delays his route and runs a slant underneath and Apple gets lost in the wash and T-Will is wide open and runs for a huge gain. AB and Julio will sometimes serve the same function as Dez did on the play (carrying 2-3 defenders with him to get another WR open), but the key difference is that often times they play the role that T-Will plays (gets open underneath on a play clearly designed for them). That's rarely the case for Dez.




YR

Makes you wonder why they don't want a true 4.3 guy at WR that just rips the sidelines and gives our bigger guys a breather.

 

[Rockdoc]

My father used to tell me "a word is enough for the wise."

For many here they need a few words. I'm here to help.

my dad too "a word to the wise is sufficient"

on Dez, i think the team played like they had the game under control. made me a little nervous, but i am confident we could have scored more points if we needed to. Dez would have been part of that

 

[Jstopper]

Yes, he did.

Did you watch the damn game? LOL

Yeah I did watch the game. And all you can see in the game is what is in the screen when the camera pans over to where the QB throws the ball to. Which is why the OP broke it down with all 22. Do you not know how to read? Go up and read how many of the plays where Jenkins manned up did he have safety help and then look at how many plays he got dusted by Dez when he had no safety. Jesus this isn't hard, you're playing dumb on purpose because you don't want to admit you were wrong.

 

[CyberB0b]

Yeah I did watch the game. And all you can see in the game is what is in the screen when the camera pans over to where the QB throws the ball to. Which is why the OP broke it down with all 22. Do you not know how to read? Go up and read how many of the plays where Jenkins manned up did he have safety help and then look at how many plays he got dusted by Dez when he had no safety. Jesus this isn't hard, you're playing dumb on purpose because you don't want to admit you were wrong.

Did he happen to post any gifs, stills, or videos? I mean, that would help. Naming every time there is a safety playing deep is kind of asinine. A cover 2 doesn't mean he was double covered.

 

[Zman5]

No argument from the peanut gallery.

So are you an acorn or a peanut?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Do you honestly think I meant every single play of the game?

I guess I need to better understand my audience.

What exactly is ambiguous about "They did not have a safety over the top of Dez last night. Jenkins had him alone all night."

But you're the same guy who claimed Dez faded in the 4th quarter despite his entire career stating otherwise. When confronted with facts you called it drivel.

Erod is the definition of the" backfire effect."

http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-backfire-effect-why-facts-dont-win-arguments

 

[Zman5]

Thanks for the play-by-play breakdown.

Guys like Julio, AB, etc. play different schemes with different purposes and concepts. This game was the most I've ever seen Dez play in the Y. He almost always plays in the X and year-after-year runs the most 9 routes of any WR in the league. And that's with a team that doesn't throw that much since 2014. And #2 in terms of the amount of 9 routes in the league is T-Will. And prior to Dez...T.O. and Miles Austin were league leaders in amount of 9 routes ran in a year.

We are a scheme that wants to get about 50/50 split in run vs. pass plays. These days going 50/50 is like going 55/45 run/pass back in the 90's.

So we run a ton of 9 routes to stretch the field vertically to help open up the run game and get 7 in the box instead of 8 or 9 in the box. Whereas players like Brown, Jones, etc. are in offenses designed to get them the ball particularly in open space quite frequently. There was a particular play that we had where Dez ran a route that took 3 defenders with him and Beasley took 1 defender and I think it was Witten took another player and then T-Will delays his route and runs a slant underneath and Apple gets lost in the wash and T-Will is wide open and runs for a huge gain. AB and Julio will sometimes serve the same function as Dez did on the play (carrying 2-3 defenders with him to get another WR open), but the key difference is that often times they play the role that T-Will plays (gets open underneath on a play clearly designed for them). That's rarely the case for Dez.




YR

I posted on another Dez hate thread that we need to stop Dez from running all those 9 routes and have him run more of routes T-Will gets to run. We'll get better gains because Dez is better open space runner than T-Will. Once Dez gets going, not many DBs want to tackle him.

 

[Zman5]

Except if you look at Brady and Rodgers, these games are outliers.

Rodgers had 40 touchdowns last year. Brady had 28 in 12 games (good for 37 for a full year). That's compared to 24 Dak had last year.

Am I convinced that he is going to outpace himself compared to a few veteran QBs that had mild mannered games?

Nope.

You want to compare Dak's rookie year stats with Rogers and Brady's stats in their 10th plus seasons?

Brady had 29 TDs and 12 INTS his first full year as a starter. Aaron Rogers had 28 TDs and 13 INTS as a full time starter. And both guys were already in the NFL for few years when they became full time starters.

Dak had 24 TDs but only 4 INTS last year as a rookie.

 

[ilykdrama]

Dez can't run routes. I'm a fan. But he's only good for contested balls one on one. That might just be his game. Used to be AWFUL to think about, but with Zeke we don't really need a deep threat as much.

 

[Shuff]

So somehow your opinion which carries no weight is more valid than someone who just broke it down with all22? Lol please show yourself to the exit door

Dez is NOT an elite WR. He is shut down often and does not create enough space from his defender most of the time. I like him and he motivates the team, but I would rather see him shut up and start putting up Julio and Antonio type numbers.

 

[Jstopper]

Dez is NOT an elite WR. He is shut down often and does not create enough space from his defender most of the time. I like him and he motivates the team, but I would rather see him shut up and start putting up Julio and Antonio type numbers.

He's not going to put up those type of numbers in OUR run first offense. That is football 101 dude.

 

[xwalker]

An actual review posted with all-22 that shows your Dez statements are misguided at best and agenda driven blatant lies at worst

No I just re-reviewed the game and much of his review is wrong.

I can post a snap per snap review but I don't think you'll believe anything that does not fit your agenda.

Your in a big group of Dez fans that can't deal with any criticism. Fans of other other players are usually much more open minded about those players but most Dez fans are extremely sensitive.

You might not even have enough awareness to know that I've done many All-22 reviews here in the past. I might have been the 1st to do an All-22 review now that I think about it.

I think the majority of the sensitive Dez fans are males about 25 years old plus/minus a few years.