All 3 QBs had best years with TO...

[TellerMorrow34]

I believe it would be a little premature to say that Romo had his best years with TO simply because the only years he's had are the ones with TO. We'll have to see what Romo can do over the next few years to know if that will be the case with Romo or not.

 

[Biggems]

you cant include Romo on that list. TO has been with him since that Giants game where he took Bledsoe's job.

give it about 2-3 years without TO and then you can see if Romo's name belongs on that list.

 

[jackrussell]

I guess I could point out that Romo had his worst year with TO.

That certainly proves something also I'm sure.

 

[Biggems]

I guess I could point out that Romo had his worst year with TO.

That certainly proves something also I'm sure.

it means nothing cause TO has been there ever since Romo has been actually playing. We have to wait and see how Romo does without TO.....before we put him on this list.

 

[BigDinAZ]

T.O. makes the QBs look good because of his YAC (Yards After Catch) stats. That man can extend plays better than most. It's one thing to go 20yds down field, make a catch, and get hit for positive yardage, but it's a whole other monster when you can take a 15yd reception and turn it into a 30-40yd gain

 

[jackrussell]

it means nothing cause TO has been there ever since Romo has been actually playing. We have to wait and see how Romo does without TO.....before we put him on this list.

That's pretty much what I'm saying.

 

[coogrfan]

Garcia, was a probowler with TO and put up great stats.....

McNabb had his best year with TO

Romo had 3 good years with TO

Whatever team he goes to the QB normally has their best year, regardless of the distractions, if I'm A QB trying to get Paid, I want TO.......

That's the grey area, that no one speaks of TO.....

Maybe so, but do you think any of those players would want Owens back?

 

[Juke99]

Steve Young is always exlcuded. Romo hasn't had a season without him to compare to. I think he will do better in 2009 than he did in 2008.

I agree. Before Romo got overly conscious of keeping Owens in the game, he used to spread the ball all over the field. It was an aspect of his game that I felt was a huge upgrade from Bledsoe and it was great to have a QB who simply threw the ball to guys because they were open.

I'm expecting to see that QB again this year.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I agree. Before Romo got overly conscious of keeping Owens in the game, he used to spread the ball all over the field. It was an aspect of his game that I felt was a huge upgrade from Bledsoe and it was great to have a QB who simply threw the ball to guys because they were open.

I'm expecting to see that QB again this year.

Me too. Nothing against TO but I do believe he is such a talent, and such a loud one, that Romo did feel the need to make sure and try and get the ball to him more than anyone else and sometimes it lead to greatness and other times it lead to disaster.

I think we'll find that Tony will return to the guy who throws the ball around the place and finds whoevers open again.

 

[Juke99]

Me too. Nothing against TO but I do believe he is such a talent, and such a loud one, that Romo did feel the need to make sure and try and get the ball to him more than anyone else and sometimes it lead to greatness and other times it lead to disaster.

I think we'll find that Tony will return to the guy who throws the ball around the place and finds whoevers open again.

Yep. One of the great things we all heard about Romo early on was how he would always look downfield, even when scrambling for time, to find the open player.

We didn't see much of that last year.

 

[khiladi]

I agree. Before Romo got overly conscious of keeping Owens in the game, he used to spread the ball all over the field. It was an aspect of his game that I felt was a huge upgrade from Bledsoe and it was great to have a QB who simply threw the ball to guys because they were open.


I'm expecting to see that QB again this year.

And yet, in the biggest game of his career, he forced the ball to a triple-covered Terry Glenn. Against the Ravens, it was Witten he forced it to, while both Crayton and TO were wide-open. Hell, I remember Tony Romo throwing a bone-headed INT in pre-season, when the CB was draped all over the WR who wasn't TO, running to the side of the end-zone. It was chanted all year long, before this year that Tony Romo has a tendency to force the ball and make some bone-headed decisions. But everybody chanted that they could live with it, because he throws 3 TDs. It is quite obvious now, they cannot live with it. They like to escape blame not by saying is TOs fault that Romo forces the ball. Wasn't it Bill Parcells who said that Tony Romo needs to be reigned in and said he was careless with the ball. It is as if the TO-haters just forgot what they use to loudly proclaim. The fact is, Owens is the scape-goat for Garrett's horrible play-calling. The Cowboys in 2007 were a high-octane offense. When teams decided to take away the vertical passing game as a result of TO, Jason Garrett couldn't adjust. It opened a whole new realm of what Tony Romo had to work with. All of Romo's bad tendencies suddenly got displayed in full force. He was running for life all day, while the huge OL had to sustain blocks for a long time, while the WRs had to run 40 yards downfield all the time. That is why the TOs of the Cowboys offense weren't exclusive to INTs, but fumbles on Romo's part.Like I said, Garrett is as bad as Coslett, but I'll give him some lee-way simply because he is young. It is amazing how Garrett gets such a pass. And people say Jerry needs to step out of the nostalgia of the early 90s. Well, you wanna step out of it, then get rid of the baggage that is here because of it...

 

[khiladi]

Yep. One of the great things we all heard about Romo early on was how he would always look downfield, even when scrambling for time, to find the open player.


We didn't see much of that last year.

Huh? Scrambling for his life was happening consistently, with Tony trying to buy time. It just so happens that Tony Romo isn't Superman and talent alone isn't going to win you championships. Coaching has to play a part. The yards per catch weren't that bad for Romo, meaning the passing game was still vertical. Romo was looking vertical the whole time. The problem is we didn't and don't have a short passing attack. That is why teams took away the downfield threat, by adding safety help over the top and Garrett didn't adjust. Hell, just look at the game log against the Ravens, when Dallas went 3 and out for around 5 drives. Consistently, Dallas was playing against 3rd and long, because Garrett wasted away drives by trying to take big chunks of the field.

 

[Juke99]

The fact is, Owens is the scape-goat for Garrett's horrible play-calling.

Have to be honest, I stopped reading at this...

yes, Owens is the best football player that ever walked the planet and it's only because all of the other NFL teams are morons that he was forced to take a ONE year contract, with the BUFFALO Bills..(because no one else offered him one)

Lemme ask you a question because all of you guys standing up for Owens seem to have one thing in common...Is it just POSSIBLE that Owens was a problem and that Garrett might be also? Is it possible that Garrett hasn't burned his bridges with three franchises now, so he gets a bit more leniency?

Why does knocking Owens mean that the person who is knocking Owens is blindly supporting Garrett and Romo? Do you guys all live in that much of a black and white world that no gray area exists.

Geezlouise. It's just amazing how people go to such extremes.

For me, here's what I'll say. Owens time was up. He's fading. I don't have to prove it. The rest of the NFL just did. No one, other than the Bills, felt he was worth it and both Owens and Rosenhaus knew it or they would have waited for other offers. Garrett had one good year (with Sporano) and one not so good year. Romo has yet to show he can be clutch.

OK... Now I'm on record. Because I knock Owens doesn't mean I am scapegoating or blindly supporting the others.

Geezlouise! :bang2:

 

[Juke99]

Huh? Scrambling for his life was happening consistently, with Tony trying to buy time. It just so happens that Tony Romo isn't Superman and talent alone isn't going to win you championships. Coaching has to play a part. The yards per catch weren't that bad for Romo, meaning the passing game was still vertical. Romo was looking vertical the whole time. The problem is we didn't and don't have a short passing attack. That is why teams took away the downfield threat, by adding safety help over the top and Garrett didn't adjust. Hell, just look at the game log against the Ravens, when Dallas went 3 and out for around 5 drives. Consistently, Dallas was playing against 3rd and long, because Garrett wasted away drives by trying to take big chunks of the field.

"Huh" Is right. What the heck are you responding to.

Where did I say anything about Garrett?

Let's go back and review. I said that one thing that I liked about Romo in the beginning is that he tended to scan the field when scrambling. I didn't say that's all I want him doing...I didn't say it was the way to win...it was a pretty simple statement, I liked when Romo was buying time that he'd scan the entire field.

How on earth that comment got me this response, is beyond me.

 

[khiladi]

Have to be honest, I stopped reading at this...

yes, Owens is the best football player that ever walked the planet and it's only because all of the other NFL teams are morons that he was forced to take a ONE year contract, with the BUFFALO Bills..(because no one else offered him one)

Lemme ask you a question because all of you guys standing up for Owens seem to have one thing in common...Is it just POSSIBLE that Owens was a problem and that Garrett might be also? Is it possible that Garrett hasn't burned his bridges with three franchises now, so he gets a bit more leniency?

Why does knocking what Owens mean that the person who is knocking Owens is blindly supporting Garrett and Romo? Do you guys all live in that much of a black and white world that no gray area exists.

Geezlouise. It's just amazing how people go to such extremes.

For me, here's what I'll say. Owens time was up. He's fading. I don't have to prove it. The rest of the NFL just did. Garrett had one good year (with Sporano) and one not so good year. Romo has yet to show he can be clutch.

OK... Now I'm on record. Because I knock Owens doesn't mean I am scapegoating or blindly supporting the others.


Geezlouise! :bang2:

And nobody wanted Jason Garrett as a head coach this year, despite being the hottest commodity in the league the year prior. TO does deserve more leeway, because TO is a HoF receiver that has a track record to performing. He has done nothing equivalent to what he did in Philly and the 49ers. Everybody has come out and supported him, including people who aren't part of the organization anymore. He has made every QB better statistically.I don't care if TO is fading. Everybody fades, but the fact is, whether or not that fading makes him not relevant to a good offense. That is why, when people are confronted with production regarding TO, they changes course and say things like 'chemistry'... There is nothing to say TO has faded as a non-relevant WR. He is better then the whole crop of WRs at Dallas right now.The fact is, you made a stupid statement about Romo that isn't substantiated by evidence. he was looking downfield, with his YPC pretty high and he was trying to buy time with his feet... The very nature of Garrett';s play-calling has been and was vertical. You stopped reading and then tried to defend Garrett? If your honest about the issue, then why not look at Garrett? If every defensive player called him out, then why Garrett? if teams kept doubling Owens, then why Garrett for not adjusting? If Roy Williams called out Garrett then why not Garrett? Then it comes to TO, Dallas media morons suddenly write good articles, because they mask their hatred of TO under anonymous sources.

 

[jterrell]

Steve Young is always exlcuded. Romo hasn't had a season without him to compare to. I think he will do better in 2009 than he did in 2008.

Young's last NFL season as a starter was 1998 and he had T.O. He had the most TD passes of his career and also passed for the most yardage of his career that season.

Rice and Owens both had huge years with them both going over 1000 yards and T.O. had 14 TDs while Rice had 9.

 

[khiladi]

"Huh" Is right. What the heck are you responding to.

Where did I say anything about Garrett?

Let's go back and review. I said that one thing that I liked about Romo in the beginning is that he tended to scan the field when scrambling. I didn't say that's all I want him doing...I didn't say it was the way to win...it was a pretty simple statement, I liked when Romo was buying time that he'd scan the entire field.



How on earth that comment got me this response, is beyond me.

Which is a ridiculously absurd statement, because he was doing it all year long this year. That ability you claim he possessed in 2007 is no different then it was in 2008. The difference is, his WRs were in a worse position because the teams figured out Garrett. The defenses knew what was coming. QBs, no matter who they are, do not make a living scrambling for their lives buying time on their feet, even if they have great vision. That means that they are getting no protection and while they may have some good games here and there, they ultimately lose. They start to commit turnovers.It has everything to do with Garrett, who never reigned his QB in. Even Bill Parcells predicted it with Tony Romo...

 

[Juke99]

And nobody wanted Jason Garrett as a head coach this year, despite being the hottest commodity in the league the year prior. TO does deserve more leeway, because TO is a HoF receiver that has a track record to performing. He has done nothing equivalent to what he did in Philly and the 49ers. Everybody has come out and supported him, including people who aren't part of the organization anymore. He has made every QB better statistically.I don't care if TO is fading. Everybody fades, but the fact is, whether or not that fading makes him not relevant to a good offense. That is why, when people are confronted with production regarding TO, they changes course and say things like 'chemistry'... There is nothing to say TO has faded as a non-relevant WR. He is better then the whole crop of WRs at Dallas right now.The fact is, you made a stupid statement about Romo that isn't substantiated by evidence. he was looking downfield, with his YPC pretty high and he was trying to buy time with his feet... The very nature of Garrett';s play-calling has been and was vertical. You stopped reading and then tried to defend Garrett? If your honest about the issue, then why not look at Garrett? If every defensive player called him out, then why Garrett? if teams kept doubling Owens, then why Garrett for not adjusting? If Roy Williams called out Garrett then why not Garrett? Then it comes to TO, Dallas media morons suddenly write good articles, because they mask their hatred of TO under anonymous sources.

Oh my. This has become like the political zone.

When you show that you can actually read what I wrote and respond to that, let me know. and btw, I'd watch using the word "stupid" when referring to a post. If I wasn't a mod, you'd have just chalked up a nice infraction for yourself.

 

[Juke99]

Which is a ridiculously absurd statement, because he was doing it all year long this year. QBs, no matter who they are, do not make a living scrambling for their lives buying time on their feet, even if they have great vision. That means that they are getting no protection. It has everything to do with Garrett... It is called ghetto ball...

and let's try this one last time....ON THE OCCASIONS, in the beginning, when ROMO bought time with his feet, he tended to look the entire field over. Many QB's just look toward one receiver, or to just the short receivers.

Where on God's good earth did I suggest that this is something that I want him to be doing on every play? All QB's have to scramble on occasion. ON THOSE OCCASIONS, the good ones look downfield as well as to their outlet receivers.

Now, go have an argument with yourself because I have no idea why you keep having a discussion about something I'm not saying.

'night.

 

[khiladi]

Bill Parcells warned that Tony Romo needs to be reigned in. He said he was careless with the ball. The fans started to recognize this in the beginning of the year, but because of their blind adoration of Romo, they said they could live with it. All of the sudden, they blame it on Romo trying to force it to TO.... It is Garrett's fault plain and simple, for not actually giving Romo an offense. Last year was an example of ineptitude, with Romo consistently waiting till one second to get the ball off, while he hurried his player's to the line. And you wonder why we were a TO plagued team...