All in All... we lost a 36 year old wr...

[speedkilz88]

A few years ago if teams would have pressed him he would have tossed the CB and caught a quick pass and been up the field. He no longer could get away from that coverage, so yeah he lost something.

 

[Arch Stanton]

A few years ago if teams would have pressed him he would have tossed the CB and caught a quick pass and been up the field. He no longer could get away from that coverage, so yeah he lost something.

....but but but he has so many strengths.

 

[WV Cowboy]

This is the first opportunity in awhile that this team actually has a chance to be cohesive. I'd gladly sacrifice T.O.'s meaningless stats for this chance that the team can be a TEAM again.

What are you going to do when we all find out next season that they still aren't "cohesive"? Too many softies on this team.

How many playoff games did we win with T.O.?

This is really a silly question considering we haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

 

[88 enough said]

He has not clearly lost a step, and you have never been in the huddle to know anything.

If the QB wasn't already throwing where he wants to, .. whose fault is that?

Age aside, we lost the best WR on the team.

If we don't replace that production, our offense will suffer and our season will be long.

BOO HOO
Go be a fan of whoever signs him. I would rather the cowboys go 1 and 15 then to have to put up with the Crap and Cancerous atmosphere that he brings to the table.

 

[1fisher]

At least that's how I see it.[/QUOTE]

Dr. 1fisher says, "your vision is good"

:wink:

 

[masomenos]

Tho I have concerns about the move, I can see why Jerry did it. Ultimately, Jerry considered T.O. a progress stopper. I remembered that term from some long ago article somebody posted about Parcells.

This team has some young wide receivers coming up. It's not just about Roy or Crayton. It's about being able to give Hurd, Austin, and Stanback a chance to grow.

At least that's how I see it.

I think that's spot on WG.

 

[AKATheRake]

Dude. He can still play at a high level, but TO clearly had lost a step. And the QB had accuracy problems at the end of the year last year, but he was throwing where the plays were designed to go.

Replacing 69 catches and 15.2 avg with Roy Williams and Myles Austin isn't going to be that big a deal. It's the 10 TDs that are going to be tough to replace.

Exactly, the TD's and attention he demands on the field from the opposing defenses is what we are going to have an extremely hard time replacing. The guy can punch those TD's in. Other than Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison no other WR in the league has gotten the rock in the end zone so consistantly the past 8-10 years.

Fitzgerald (12 TD's is most in 1 season) and Andre Johnson (8 TD's is most in 1 season) are pretty much the games 2 best if you are ready to push Moss and T.O aside. Steve Smith and Torry Holt have punched the rock in from 7-12 here or there but Owens was always 13-16 TD's playing 14-16 games a season. Last year was a bit of a dip getting 10.

The ability to get 6 points when you need it is so detrimental in this game, especially when the average margin for loss is from 3-6 points. Having a weapon like that is a huge option and there is pretty much only 2-3 of them available throughout the league. He's been the most consistant year in and out doing it. Roy Williams can be a 10 TD a season WR, when he's playing a full season he's usually around the 8 TD mark.

I'm telling you guys, when you have a WR who almost averages a TD a game year in and year out and he's not on your team anymore, there is going to be a dip when it comes to getting TD's in the red zone. Folk will get a few more FG's and Romo may get a few more INT's unless we're running more down there which I feel we will. Expect these 35 + TD season's out of Romo to be more like 28-30 TD seasons.

I know we're pretty much eating $9.6 million this year but if a Torry Holt, who is as selfless as it gets at the WR position, is still a vertical threat and sharp route runner, we may want to get in on that if we don't have to break the bank. He didn't have a 1,000 yard season for the first time in 8 seasons and he can get you those 7 deep pass TD's playing 16 games. Can probably get him on a good deal. Roy and Witten will be the guys typically in the red zone with Holt a quick out option. I know everyone thinks Austin is the next coming but you can't bank on that, he hasn't done it and he gets injured. He's a nice spot player in larger WR sets against 2nd and 3rd tier corners.

 

[gbrittain]

What are you going to do when we all find out next season that they still aren't "cohesive"? Too many softies on this team.



This is really a silly question considering we haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

I would say if we are not going to win next year because we have a bunch of softies then we are not going to win even if we had TO.

If you are not going to win with TO, then he is definitely not worth the trouble. It is not like the guy is 25.

 

[AKATheRake]

Tho I have concerns about the move, I can see why Jerry did it. Ultimately, Jerry considered T.O. a progress stopper. I remembered that term from some long ago article somebody posted about Parcells.

Lifting this from a blog seems to solidify that thought in my mind



This team has some young wide receivers coming up. It's not just about Roy or Crayton. It's about being able to give Hurd, Austin, and Stanback a chance to grow.

At least that's how I see it.

Absolutely that is 1 of the other reason's but the main reason is so that Romo can clearly lead this team and set an example on winning football games first, spot light 2nd. Before it was the other way around and no matter how good of a teammate T.O could or couldn't possibly be, the media was going to make him a distraction.

Sam Hurd has had his opportunities, Crayton has already received his. The results from those 2 the past 2 years are obvious. Stanback is an enigma and just seems to never get on the field enough. Austin is showing promise but that's against 2nd and 3rd tier corners. 3 out of 4 of those WR's have had injury issues season after season and they are young. Even Roy has had some durability issues.

The only WR that I care to get more playing time is Austin. But I know he won't hold up. So since Jerry has the big physical leeping WR in Roy Williams, if he wanted a vertical threat that runs dynamic routes and has a proven track record of durability and productivity, then Torry Holt fits that bill to compliment Roys skill set.

Holt isn't coming here and we're not going to sign a big name WR if one like that becomes available, but expect to suffer the durability consequences with these WR's we have currently.

 

[juck]

Exactly, the TD's and attention he demands on the field from the opposing defenses is what we are going to have an extremely hard time replacing. The guy can punch those TD's in. Other than Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison no other WR in the league has gotten the rock in the end zone so consistantly the past 8-10 years.

Fitzgerald (12 TD's is most in 1 season) and Andre Johnson (8 TD's is most in 1 season) are pretty much the games 2 best if you are ready to push Moss and T.O aside. Steve Smith and Torry Holt have punched the rock in from 7-12 here or there but Owens was always 13-16 TD's playing 14-16 games a season. Last year was a bit of a dip getting 10.

The ability to get 6 points when you need it is so detrimental in this game, especially when the average margin for loss is from 3-6 points. Having a weapon like that is a huge option and there is pretty much only 2-3 of them available throughout the league. He's been the most consistant year in and out doing it. Roy Williams can be a 10 TD a season WR, when he's playing a full season he's usually around the 8 TD mark.

I'm telling you guys, when you have a WR who almost averages a TD a game year in and year out and he's not on your team anymore, there is going to be a dip when it comes to getting TD's in the red zone. Folk will get a few more FG's and Romo may get a few more INT's unless we're running more down there which I feel we will. Expect these 35 + TD season's out of Romo to be more like 28-30 TD seasons.

I know we're pretty much eating $9.6 million this year but if a Torry Holt, who is as selfless as it gets at the WR position, is still a vertical threat and sharp route runner, we may want to get in on that if we don't have to break the bank. He didn't have a 1,000 yard season for the first time in 8 seasons and he can get you those 7 deep pass TD's playing 16 games. Can probably get him on a good deal. Roy and Witten will be the guys typically in the red zone with Holt a quick out option. I know everyone thinks Austin is the next coming but you can't bank on that, he hasn't done it and he gets injured. He's a nice spot player in larger WR sets against 2nd and 3rd tier corners.

i understand what ur saying.on the other hand look at this year Sb winners.they have a crap wr corps.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

might be old but was still our best receiever.

Witten is better at getting open and more reliabale. I actually like RW11 better in the red zone.

If you want a big play between the 30s he could deliver from time to time and those times are gradually becoming farther and farther apart.

 

[AKATheRake]

who clearly has lost a step.Its definitely not going to break this team.Romo does have more pressure but in the huddle less.This guy would be so beligerent in a huddle,at least the QB can throw where he wants to.I dont know the more I think about this Im cool with it,not that my opinion matters.lol.

Yes, going on 36 and doesn't have the leaping ability or stride he used to but the guy could still punch in 10-15 TD's a season and surely get you 1,100 yards. 36 or not that's almost a TD a game. Production wise you won't find another WR in the next 2 decades that can do that for you year in year out.

Irvin was the best thing and 10 TD's was his best. We never had that type of TD machine at the WR position in the history of this franchise until T.O got here. Only 3 WR's the last 10 years could put up TD's consistantly like that, T.O, Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison. Each one is going to the hall of Fame. Before them it was Jerry Rice, Chris Carter and Tim Brown, 3 more Hall of Famers.

These guys don't grow on trees. 36 or 25 that's a guy who puts 6 on the board for you almost every game. Tell any team in the league you can find them another 6 points a game and now you know why this league has put up with T.O for so long. Now you know why defenses, regardless if he isn't as fast anymore, blanket the guy and give him so much attention. Because that 6 points can come at any time and sway the game. Minimize T.O's exit all you want, but don'tminimize the impact he has on gameday. History has proven otherwise.

 

[juck]

Yes, going on 36 and doesn't have the leaping ability or stride he used to but the guy could still punch in 10-15 TD's a season and surely get you 1,100 yards. 36 or not that's almost a TD a game. Production wise you won't find another WR in the next 2 decades that can do that for you year in year out.

Irvin was the best thing and 10 TD's was his best. We never had that type of TD machine at the WR position in the history of this franchise until T.O got here. Only 3 WR's the last 10 years could put up TD's consistantly like that, T.O, Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison. Each one is going to the hall of Fame. Before them it was Jerry Rice, Chris Carter and Tim Brown, 3 more Hall of Famers.

These guys don't grow on trees. 36 or 25 that's a guy who puts 6 on the board for you almost every game. Tell any team in the league you can find them another 6 points a game and now you know why this league has put up with T.O for so long. Now you know why defenses, regardless if he isn't as fast anymore, blanket the guy and give him so much attention. Because that 6 points can come at any time and sway the game. Minimize T.O's exit all you want, but don'tminimize the impact he has on gameday. History has proven otherwise.

Forcefeed RW11 he will get that too.

 

[InmanRoshi]

TDs are more a reflection of how many times you're force fed the ball near the goalline.

 

[Idgit]

Forcefeed RW11 he will get that too.

10 TDs? Not likely.

RW + Austin + F Jones might make up most of the shortfall, but TO's got a rare talent for getting into the end zone.

 

[RainMan]

It's hard to come to grips with the fact Owens might have been slowing down. I mean, he still "looks" younger than so many given how fit he is.

But you are right. It's undeniable he was less productive late in the season than he was in the first month. More often than not, no matter what kind of physical shape you're in, that's a sign of an older player wearing down as the season moves along.

T.O. was still the best receiver we had. By far. But for the last 10 games, we weren't getting the sort of production we were accustomed to from him, and we suffered.

We can replace the T.O. the played for us down the stretch last year. We can just as easily go 1-3 in December without him as we did with him.

But we will miss the spry version that existed earlier in the season and throughout all of the 2007 campaign.

 

[RainMan]

10 TDs? Not likely.

RW + Austin + F Jones might make up most of the shortfall, but TO's got a rare talent for getting into the end zone.

No doubt.

He led the league in TD catches during his time here for crying out loud, and is No. 2 all time. It's not something someone else just "steps up" into.

Can we win more games without T.O. than with? Maybe. Maybe not. But I would almost be willing to bet money we don't score as many passing touchdowns. Our hope has to just be that the cloud removed in terms of attitude means more positively than losing his TDs negatively affects us.

BTW ... has Roy ever scored 10 TDs in a season? He might approach the number with Romo throwing to him, but I suddenly doubt he's going to become a 15-TD receiver like Owens.

 

[AKATheRake]

Forcefeed RW11 he will get that too.

Best he's done is 8 in his career and he was Detroits #1 WR. He had 3 solid years in a row posting 8,8 & 7. Then he started dumping the last couple of years. He's a guy who will get you those Irvin #'s. A TD a game guy doesn't grow off trees force feeding him or not. You're asking the guy to double his career best. Not going to happen. He can develop but not double.

Calvin Johnson, now he had 12 last year and Him and Fitzgerald are the next dozen TD + a season guys at the position. Even Andre Johnson hasn't done more than 8 a season. He's force fed as any WR in the league and rightfully so. Roy Williams is not Andre Johnson.

 

[AKATheRake]

No doubt.

He led the league in TD catches during his time here for crying out loud, and is No. 2 all time. It's not something someone else just "steps up" into.

Can we win more games without T.O. than with? Maybe. Maybe not. But I would almost be willing to bet money we don't score as many passing touchdowns. Our hope has to just be that the cloud removed in terms of attitude means more positively than losing his TDs negatively affects us.

BTW ... has Roy ever scored 10 TDs in a season? He might approach the number with Romo throwing to him, but I suddenly doubt he's going to become a 15-TD receiver like Owens.

Best he's done is 8. He's not going to double his career best, not consistently at least.

 

[Nightstalker]

No team in the history of football has ever been devastated by the loss of a 35-year-old wide receiver... But I guess we'll be the first.

Give me a good example of a team that has a lost a 30+ WR that was still out performing the other WR's on the team.

I am not saying that this team is devastated, but your response was jsut plain dumb.