All in All... we lost a 36 year old wr...

[AKATheRake]

TDs are more a reflection of how many times you're force fed the ball near the goalline.

You're kidding right? The red zone is the last place to get force fed. It's the hardest part of the field to make plays because there is no space behind. Do you realize how many of T.O's career TD's are because of runs after the catch and are of 20 yards or more? I'm not going to do the work and provide you with the statistics just because you blab out an uninformed opinion.

But you can go look at this link and check every year what his longest TD catch is. You're consistently looking at 60 + yards year in and out. Just banana's. There's a site called NFL.com and you can search players career stats. Also pro football reference as well. Man just force feed in the red zone and you'll get a 12-16 TD a season WR, hahahahahaha! You guys are too funny. That's why there aren't even a handful of WR's that have 10 TD's a season cause it's just that dar easy right?

 

[Ren]

:laugh1: That and ran correct routes and finished them out.

that's not exactly a huge strength for our other WR either Roy's routes where pretty poor and Crayton... ugh, lets just say we probably wouldn't have been 1 and done last year if he finished his :bang2:

 

[InmanRoshi]

You're kidding right? The red zone is the last place to get force fed. It's the hardest part of the field to make plays because there is no space behind. Do you realize how many of T.O's career TD's are because of runs after the catch and are of 20 yards or more? I'm not going to do the work and provide you with the statistics just because you blab out an uninformed opinion.

But you can go look at this link and check every year what his longest TD catch is. You're consistently looking at 60 + yards year in and out. Just banana's. There's a site called NFL.com and you can search players career stats. Also pro football reference as well. Man just force feed in the red zone and you'll get a 12-16 TD a season WR, hahahahahaha! You guys are too funny. That's why there aren't even a handful of WR's that have 10 TD's a season cause it's just that dar easy right?

Why do I give a crap what TO did when he was 27 years old when it has absolutely no bearing on what he'll do when he's 36. The truth is that 4 of his 10 TDs last year came on big plays, and the others were all inside the redzone a reflection of how the Cowboys force fed him the ball to get his ever yapping trap shut.

Only five times in the history of the NFL has a WR over 35 caught over 1000 yards. There's a wall there for the position. Players get old. Their skills decline. TO is a human being and he's no different. Anyone objectively looking at his numbers saw a sharp downturn this year that fell right in line with the trend, so the Cowboys could have expected a continued downward trend from here on out. It would be one thing if TO was willing to put his ego aside and accept a #2 WR role as he advances in years like Jerry Rice was willing to, but he's not. He'll never accept a #2 WR role. He's so deluded and self absorbed he'll throw his QB and coachesunder the bus and tear up the lockerroom long before he'll ever admit he's not the player he once was.

 

[AKATheRake]

No team in the history of football has ever been devastated by the loss of a 35-year-old wide receiver... But I guess we'll be the first.

No team in the history of the NFL signs a 35 year old WR to another 4 years and hands him $12.9 million guaranteed after a season where he gets 1,355 yards and 15 TD's. Then absorbs $9.6 million for a year he won't be on the roster after a season he produces almost 1,100 yards and 10 TD's with his starting QB missing 3 games.

I'm not saying we're going to be devastated and that it was the right or wrong move. I'm saying that you guys can only quantify that he's 30+ years old and forget the guy has consistently scored almost a TD a game when starting 14-16 games in a season and he plays with his starting QB the majority of that time.

That type of production at the WR can't just be force fed and it is very rare to have it year in year out like T.O did. Go tell any team in the league you found a way to put another 6 points a game on the board they will be asking how. Once you tell them T.O, they get creeped out for all of the reasons we are aware of. Like I said previously, minimize his exit from this team but don't minimize his impact on game day.

 

[Clove]

Some little factoids...

TO was 8th best in the NFL among pass targets. He delivered Top 25 caliber stats with all those targets.

Out of the Top 25 WRs in targets, only TO and Braylon "Hands of Stone" Edwards had a lower than 50% success rate with their targets. I know the knee jerk reaction will be to throw Tony 91+ QB Rating Romo under the bus to explain it, but most of the other 23 WRs out of that 25 putting up 50+% success rates had a lot worse QBs throwing them the ball. I'm sure TJ Housmandzadeh would haved loved to trade places with TO as he was putting up a 67% success rate with Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Here's a newsflash ... if Vince Carter goes 10 of 31 shooting from the field, he didn't have a great night even if it says he scored 24 points.

Who cares what the passes are when they are floating 5 yards over his head, skipping off the ground, over thrown by 10 yards, underthrown by 6 yards, slants way off the mark, horrible side line throws wobbling out of bounds, passing to him with 3 guys on him, those passes don't count.

 

[AKATheRake]

Why do I give a crap what TO did when he was 27 years old when it has absolutely no bearing on what he'll do when he's 36. The truth is that 4 of his 10 TDs last year came on big plays, and the others were all inside the redzone a reflection of how the Cowboys force fed him the ball to get his ever yapping trap shut.

Only five times in the history of the NFL has a WR over 35 caught over 1000 yards. There's a wall there for the position. Players get old. Their skills decline. TO is a human being and he's no different. Anyone objectively looking at his numbers saw a sharp downturn this year that fell right in line with the trend, so the Cowboys could have expected a continued downward trend from here on out. It would be one thing if TO was willing to put his ego aside and accept a #2 WR role as he advances in years like Jerry Rice was willing to, but he's not. He'll never accept a #2 WR role. He's so deluded and self absorbed he'll throw his QB and coachesunder the bus and tear up the lockerroom long before he'll ever admit he's not the player he once was.

- So 40% of his TD's were for more than 20 yards last year you say? Hmmmm, just force fed in the red zone which is the toughest place to score anyways huh?

- You don't have to look at his stats when he was 27 but if you do you'll see how consistently this 35 year old has put up 10 + TD's a season over the last decade when playing 14-16 games.

- You can look as far as 3 seasons ago and other than Moss no one has even been near touching him TD's wise the last 3 years. Both recent, consistent 30+ year old WR's that have bucked the NFL's 30+ WR trend.

- You're right, not many WR's even play till 35 and if so impact the game much. Not many 22+ year old WR's score 10 TD's or almost 1,100 yards a season ever in their career either. Especially with the starting QB missing 3 games and playing the rest very inaccurately. Heck, forget about 15 TD's and 1,355 yds, imagine being a year removed from that.

- Not saying it is a good or bad move. I'm saying you guys are trying to minimize the guys production on the field like it grows off of trees or you can just force feed some other WR's regardless if it's in the red zone or 60+ yards away.

- You guys act like there are a line up of guys out there that give you almost 6 points a game plus help you move the ball almost 13 football fields a year.

- Whether the guy was a good teammate or not here he was going to be a distraction because the media would make it that way and this would never clearly be Tony Romo's team with T.O around. I'm impartial to whether this is good or bad for the team. But I am certain and partial to the facts that his production and on field presence even at 35 is extremely challenging to replace.

- At any time # 81 couldput his 6 points up in a game and whether he isn't as fast as he used to be or can't jump as high, he still couldget you the 6. That's why teams are all over him from the start and end of a game because that 6 can sway the game in a league where you lose by an average margin of 3-6 points.

- Can you get a few guys together to get those #'s going? Sure! But 1 guy consistently got you the results of a few guys. Guess what, he's turning 36 too and he brings a nasty closet of skeletons with him. Even if he's changed or is trying to.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yes, a lot of guys can put up 1,000 yards receiving when you feed them 108 targets a year, as TO got. Just like a mediocre runningback can rush for 1,000 yards if force feed them 300 carries a year. TO's efficiency per target was absolutely abysmal last year. He can still get you the occasional long TD catch (4 times a year, in this case), but the far more probable scenerio is that he's going to let a pass go incomplete to end a drive because he dropped it, couldn't get seperation, ran the wrong route or just plain old didn't feel like putting forth the effort to fight for the ball ... which his why he has the 2nd worst success rate of the Top 25 WRs in targets. His efficiency absolutely stinks. You have to devote way too many snaps and targets to him to receive such little return. You only have a finite amount of offensive snaps and throws in a game. They are precious commodities. You cant waste them on forcefeeding them on someone who is so poor at converting them.

Once again, the novice boxscore reader can see that Vince Carter had a good night because he scored 24 points, but if he did it on 10 of 31 shooting he hurt his team more than he helped. Accumulative total stats don't tell much of a story.

 

[juck]

Best he's done is 8. He's not going to double his career best, not consistently at least.

Hines ward=7
Santonio Holmes=5

They won the SB last year.hmmm.

Desean jacvkson=2
Hank Baskett=3
In the NFC Championship.

TEAM.T E A M.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

What are you going to do when we all find out next season that they still aren't "cohesive"? Too many softies on this team.

You may have somewhat of a point here. Even with the release of T.O. I still don't expect much out of this team in '09. But without him I am hoping they can achieve some building blocks of becoming a team, not having the drama blOwens causes.

This is really a silly question considering we haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

Well then T.O. didn't really help at all then did he? Thanks so much for reaffirming my point! He ain't worth the trouble of having him around if you still can't win with him, which we haven't. He wasn't some missing link this team needed to get over the hump that many folks thought he would be, perhaps yourself also. T.O.'s just another high profile, spoiled, overrated, overpaid, childish athlete who will likely never earn a superbowl ring.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

who clearly has lost a step.Its definitely not going to break this team.Romo does have more pressure but in the huddle less.This guy would be so beligerent in a huddle,at least the QB can throw where he wants to.I dont know the more I think about this Im cool with it,not that my opinion matters.lol.

There is a lot of self-delusion going on here about T.O.
First, it's elementary and basic and common sense: Losing your best WR is never a good idea.
Second, we lost him when we still have a question mark in RW and then the talent falls all the way down to Crayton.
With any luck, Austin will be the No. 2 before long with Hurd getting lots of looks, too.

 

[EPL0c0]

Or get separation from a DB or run the right route or any number of factors that lead to an incomplete pass.

Oh I forgot, Garrett is supposed to call magic routes to get TO open because it's too hard for him to do it all by himself.

Imagine what Romo's stats would be if he didn't throw 14 INTs or lost 7 fumbles or throw any passes too high or too low or too far behind or too far ahead of recievers.

Imagine what Romo's numbers would be if he had that attitude that losing a game WAS the worst thing that could happen to him.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

Just think what Romo's numbers would be if one of TO's strengths was catching the ball.

or Romo throwing to a player in a COWBOYS jersey.

 

[Control]

ImmanRoshi has the brain power of a gnat.

This is the same guy who said that Owens would be a #3 receiver on a good team.

He's not even a top 40 WR anymore, guys! The very year after he was a 1st team all-pro and pretty much the unanimous "second best WR in the NFL after Moss," he has plummeted.

The fact that he looked faster in 2008 than he did in 2007? And the fact that the coaches said he looked not only faster, but much quicker coming out of his breaks? Hogwash!

He's actually no better than Patrick Crayton now! Those 160 or howevermany balls thrown his way? Every single one that was not caught was a DROP. Ball thrown out of bounds as Romo gets drilled? Drop. Ball thrown at his feet? Drop. Forced into double coverage? Drop. Owens had 91 drops last season.



And maybe Garrett should start drawing up decoy routes to get Patrick Crayton and Roy Williams open, because neither of them were able to do that last year, either. The best passing games pretty much all have offensive coordinators who make use of numerous formations, motions, bunches, and decoy routes. Jason Garrett's offense is bland and predictable. Numerous analysts and players have said as much.

No, I don't think Dallas is screwed now that Owens is gone. There are 3 really good running backs (much better than the Giants' stable) on the team, a big offensive line, the game's best tight end, a mobile quarterback who works hard, and the game's best pass rusher. But this isn't a move that's going to help them on the field. It's a move that Jerry Jones seems to have made because he felt the need to justify everything they gave up for Roy Williams (too much). Couple that with Owens's advanced age, and he's playing the odds that Owens would have declined, anyway, and that it's better to make the move a year early than a year late.

 

[2much2soon]

I have my doubts about the whole "TO has lost a step" thing.

He put a move on a DB, that was probably 10 years younger than him, in the last phillthy game that was just unreal.

Romo tossed him a quick pass the LOS and TO moved laterally so fast he left the DB tackling air.

But anybody that doesn't think this team can overcome TO not being there is not being realistic about the young offensive talent on this team.

A more involved Felix Jones, Roy Williams, Miles Austin, and Marty B. > TO. If for no other reason that they now can be more involved in the offense without TO around.

And if not having TO will hurt Witten's production, then how did he have his second best season 2 years before TO showed up?

 

[Arch Stanton]

or Romo throwing to a player in a COWBOYS jersey.

Who would you rather have at QB Ben Rothlesburger?

 

[silver]

Tho I have concerns about the move, I can see why Jerry did it. Ultimately, Jerry considered T.O. a progress stopper. I remembered that term from some long ago article somebody posted about Parcells.

Lifting this from a blog seems to solidify that thought in my mind



This team has some young wide receivers coming up. It's not just about Roy or Crayton. It's about being able to give Hurd, Austin, and Stanback a chance to grow.

At least that's how I see it.

Or chemistry?

Would that anything to do with it? To me it seems that Jerry went with his franchise player in Tony Romo. It came down to Romo is 28, he's my franchise QB, I spent oodles of years trying to find a legit QB, we went trough oodles of experiments at QB to find the next Troy. For what? To let it go down in flames for an aging, albeit still letal WR? The decision was "we have a future in Tony Romo whereas we have to win yesterday with Terrell Owens". (If this sounds like a rant you can blame Johnny Walker)

Great post by the way

 

[Bleu Star]

who clearly has lost a step.Its definitely not going to break this team.Romo does have more pressure but in the huddle less.This guy would be so beligerent in a huddle,at least the QB can throw where he wants to.I dont know the more I think about this Im cool with it,not that my opinion matters.lol.

Sorry. I have to call bull**** on your post. I point to exhibit A.

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