All Jerry hate...

[Doomsday101]

Not the "Jerry isn't really responsible" argument again...

Another one? Seems to be the opposite more times than not.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I put more of it on him, yes. I never shrink from the truth. I have told you guys for years I want him to have the credit and the blame and I will give Jerry none of the credit when we start winning and we will. The OL is the last piece of the puzzle and only the purposely blind deny that.

Garrett better start winning some games pretty quick or you will get your wish, Jerry will lay all the blame at the feet of Garrett.


Be it deserved or not.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Jerry is not a great owner. I get so tired of hearing and reading that.

Great owners hold poorly performing General Managers, staff members, and coaches accountable for poor performance. But there is so much nepotism in Valley Ranch that no one fears for their job. There's very little incentive to improve.

Jerry deserves to shoulder just as much blame as Garrett, Ryan, and Romo. From his poor coach hires to the ridiculous trades he and his son have orchestrated. He deserves a large chunk of the blame.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Garrett better start winning some games pretty quick or you will get your wish, Jerry will lay all the blame at the feet of Garrett.


Be it deserved or not.

Jerry didn't do Jason any favors with his approaching to fixing the OL last off-season, but I saw an awful lot of poor coaching decisions that fall squarely on the shoulders of Garrett.

I'm still amazed that we went an entire year without figuring out how to come into games ready to play (on the offensive side of the ball). Every week it was the same thing. We'd be lucky to score any points in the 1st quarter and would normally go into the half with fewer than 10 points.

How does that happen every week? That takes a special type of bad coaching. But somehow Garrett managed to pull it off.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Jerry didn't do Jason any favors with his approaching to fixing the OL last off-season, but I saw an awful lot of poor coaching decisions that fall squarely on the shoulders of Garrett.

I'm still amazed that we went an entire year without figuring out how to come into games ready to play (on the offensive side of the ball). Every week it was the same thing. We'd be lucky to score any points in the 1st quarter and would normally go into the half with fewer than 10 points.

How does that happen every week? That takes a special type of bad coaching. But somehow Garrett managed to pull it off.

According to Hostile, Jerry had nothing to do with the o-line. Garrett tells the scouts what he needs and they try to get him that, so any problems with the line is on Garrett, not Jerry.


As far as not being ready for games, I agree. Jerry even mentioned in his interview that we only played with a lead 23% of the season, better than only KC and Oakland.

Thats on Garrett as well.

 

[CyberB0b]

I think Jerry take a lot more heat sometimes than need be. He is not coaching the team and he has brought a lot of talent in and he pays them well. He is giving the coaches what they need and what they ask for it is the coaches job to make it work. I like Garrett and I hope he can get this team turned around but there is enough talent on this team to win with it is a matter of the coaching staff getting them over the hump. Jerry did his part

So if the coaches keep failing, you have to ask yourself who is bringing in the coaches. Jerry is the man at the top, therefore, he shoulders all of the blame. Period.

 

[Hostile]

Garrett better start winning some games pretty quick or you will get your wish, Jerry will lay all the blame at the feet of Garrett.


Be it deserved or not.

Let him. That is where I want it. Praise too, and that is in the cards.

 

[Doomsday101]

So if the coaches keep failing, you have to ask yourself who is bringing in the coaches. Jerry is the man at the top, therefore, he shoulders all of the blame. Period.

Never said he did not hold any blame. I said he takes on more blame at times than deserved.
Your right he hires the HC. He has gone out and got the players requested and he has allowed the coach to do his job. If the team fails sure it falls back to Jerry

 

[TX Cowboy]

I guess you enjoy the 15+ years of mediocrity because of our great owner/gm . He is the one constant through it all.

17 years of sub par Cowboys "football" even mediocrity is to good for them
but I hear where this guy is coming from..Jerruh has loused up our hopes
and dreams well enough to where fans (like myself) come to expect nothing
out of them

winning or losing poses no real action of excitement or anger just a simple
shrug of the shoulders suffices...then he wonders why fans like myself aren't
buying in to his money making machine he calls the greatest jokes on turf

 

[Hostile]

Another one? Seems to be the opposite more times than not.

He's never going to get it. I don't care if people blame Jerry. Go ahead. But the witch hunt about the GM analyzing personnel is wrong. It is really that simple. They act like no one at VR is the person through whom all this information funnels, and that is patently wrong.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Again, who is claiming Jerry analyzes personnel? If anything, the problem is that he's making the decision on who to draft WITHOUT analyzing anything (not that I'd trust his scouting even if he did decide to flip on some tape).

 

[dadymat]

I refuse to believe that as Assistant Head Coach and obvious head coach in waiting that Garrett didn't have a heavy hand in personnel decisions, at least on offense, since joining the team.

that i cant help ya with....but its true, im sure he had some input (as all OC would about offensive players) but none of the structure was his.....not draft strategies, practices, meetings , fines or code of conduct......

 

[DOUBLE WING]

that i cant help ya with....but its true, im sure he had some input (as all OC would about offensive players) but none of the structure was his.....not draft strategies, practices, meetings , fines or code of conduct......

I'm really not concerned about practices/meetings/fines, etc. until we start seeing some positive results from those on the field.

As far as draft strategies, Jerry said Jason had full autonomy over the offense the last six years. There's no reason to believe that doesn't include personnel.

 

[Hostile]

Again, who is claiming Jerry analyzes personnel? If anything, the problem is that he's making the decision on who to draft WITHOUT analyzing anything (not that I'd trust his scouting even if he did decide to flip on some tape).

Apparently you.

 

[dadymat]

I'm really not concerned about practices/meetings/fines, etc. until we start seeing some positive results from those on the field.

As far as draft strategies, Jerry said Jason had full autonomy over the offense the last six years. There's no reason to believe that doesn't include personnel.

those type things are what forms a teams identity , discipline and direction.....
And having full autonomy is not the same as running a draft or free agency....Wade , the scouting Dept and Jerry made those calls.....if they were considering an offensive player im sure they asked for his input....but dont confuse that with him having the power to say who and who doesnt get brought in......until he became HC it was not his call.....if so he would not have turned over 70 % of the roster when he took over....

it was obvious to me from day one that he had a certain type of guy that he wanted on his team ....not the type that were in place.....gone are the pre maddonna's , me first, part time workers....now i see guys who love football and fight till the end, and work hard, play hard for each other , and play hard for their Coach

his work is paying off , and the rebuild is almost complete.....barring another injury disaster of a season, and a repaired O line, I think the team is on the verge of being something special.....I may be wrong but i think he deserves another season to finish his plan

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Apparently you.

But he is. He's admitted as such. We've seen it happen. On every single pick that's made? No, of course not. But as I said a page or so earlier, I don't think you can simplify the GM title as simply who makes picks in the war room. It's about setting the direction for the franchise. That's Jerry's job and where are we headed?

Right now we're headed to a week of Jerry "evaluating" the coaching staff to decide on changes, including possibly forcing an offensive coordinator on his head coach who if he had the choice, doesn't believe he needs any help. (Of course, this current head coach was ironically enough, forced on Jerry's previous head coach).

These are not decisions being made by Tom Ciskowski, Judd Garrett, Jason Garrett or any of the other handful of "decision makers" in our organization. It's the Cowboys GM Jerry Jones and nobody else.

 

[Hostile]

But he is. He's admitted as such. We've seen it happen. On every single pick that's made? No, of course not. But as I said a page or so earlier, I don't think you can simplify the GM title as simply who makes picks in the war room. It's about setting the direction for the franchise. That's Jerry's job and where are we headed?

Right now we're headed to a week of Jerry "evaluating" the coaching staff to decide on changes, including possibly forcing an offensive coordinator on his head coach who if he had the choice, doesn't believe he needs any help. (Of course, this current head coach was ironically enough, forced on Jerry's previous head coach).

These are not decisions being made by Tom Ciskowski, Judd Garrett, Jason Garrett or any of the other handful of "decision makers" in our organization. It's the Cowboys GM Jerry Jones and nobody else.

Someone needs to tell Rob Ryan that he doesn't know how the team he works for operates.

The irony of that is hilarious.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

those type things are what forms a teams identity , discipline and direction.....
And having full autonomy is not the same as running a draft or free agency....Wade , the scouting Dept and Jerry made those calls.....if they were considering an offensive player im sure they asked for his input....but dont confuse that with him having the power to say who and who doesnt get brought in......until he became HC it was not his call.....if so he would not have turned over 70 % of the roster when he took over....

it was obvious to me from day one that he had a certain type of guy that he wanted on his team ....not the type that were in place.....gone are the pre maddonna's , me first, part time workers....now i see guys who love football and fight till the end, and work hard, play hard for each other , and play hard for their Coach

his work is paying off , and the rebuild is almost complete.....barring another injury disaster of a season, and a repaired O line, I think the team is on the verge of being something special.....I may be wrong but i think he deserves another season to finish his plan

What's our identity? What direction are we headed? Honestly, can you look at this team and tell me what it's identity is? These words are all fluff until we see results.

I don't believe for a second that Wade made ANY calls on drafting offensive personnel while Garrett was here.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Someone needs to tell Rob Ryan that he doesn't know how the team he works for operates.

The irony of that is hilarious.

If you're not going to answer any of the points I mention, why bother replying?

Why would Ciskowski interview for the Colts GM job if he's the decision-maker on personnel in Dallas?

 

[Hostile]

If you're not going to answer any of the points I mention, why bother replying?

Why would Ciskowski interview for the Colts GM job if he's the decision-maker on personnel in Dallas?

Who said decision maker? I didn't. I said he is the point of the funnel for personnel information. The decision makers, Jerry, Stephen, and Jason get their info from him.

What points did you make? I didn't see one.

How about you address why Rob Ryan thanked Tom Ciskowski twice in interviews late in the season. Why would he do that per your scenario? Why wouldn't he thank the man who signs his check who per you picks the routes we are taking?

You can't have it both ways.