All Jerry hate...

[DOUBLE WING]

Who said decision maker? I didn't. I said he is the point of the funnel for personnel information. The decision makers, Jerry, Stephen, and Jason get their info from him.

What points did you make? I didn't see one.

How about you address why Rob Ryan thanked Tom Ciskowski twice in interviews late in the season. Why would he do that per your scenario? Why wouldn't he thank the man who signs his check who per you picks the routes we are taking?

You can't have it both ways.

Well then we agree on Ciskowski's job description. He and his scouts gather information on players and present them to the decision-maker, Jerry (much like any GM does with his staff). I've never disputed that he's the guy doing the legwork. Rob thanked Tom because he scouted the players. He also probably wanted to give a little public love to a guy who due to the nature of his job, who is almost always behind the scenes.

The point I want addressed is about setting the direction for the franchise. You can't boil a GM's duties down to just who makes picks. It's about deciding to go all cornerback in a draft, or all special teams in another, or to make Quincy Carter the next Michael Vick, or to saddle assistant coaches to your head coach (which you're probably about to see with your boy Garrett). So Ciskowski can work his fingers to the bone on scouting tape, but if Jerry says "we're pretty much set on offense and defense, let's get some special teams in this draft" then there's only so much a scouting staff can do.

 

[dadymat]

What's our identity? What direction are we headed? Honestly, can you look at this team and tell me what it's identity is? These words are all fluff until we see results.

I don't believe for a second that Wade made ANY calls on drafting offensive personnel while Garrett was here.

if you cant tell that this team is more professional, harder working, leaders being formed and fight till to the death attitude then you are blind.....or just refuse to see.....

we are all disappointed the way the season ended, but you cant deny that there was a drastic change in the teams mentality and production the last 6 weeks of the season.....I believe this will continue into next season with a healthy roster and better players at positions of need.....

I know every season we are led to false hope and it may have left some numb to it, but there is real change happening in the organization.....

alot of the historical players of this franchise are gushing over the way Garrett is handling business at VR ...Randy and Walt were on with Doocey last night praising Garrett to the highest order for his approach, Aikman, J Johnson, Irvin, Emmitt, Moose, Staubach, Woodson, Nate, Novacek amongst others all praise the Garrett and the culture change he has brought....these things take time, and the injury bug set us back this season....but it will come

Woodson....."Jason Garrett right now is the best [person] to lead this team right now as a head coach. I think he’s a guy who’s definitely changed the culture, he just doesn’t have his pieces of the puzzle right now."

Staubach......""Jason Garrett is going to be a heckuva NFL coach, but right now, he's getting the brunt of it," Staubach said. "If you go back to Belichick and even coach (Tom) Landry at the beginning of their careers, it wasn't always hunky-dory."

even Bill Belichick praised him.....
"He's obviously [had] good control of the team, made a lot of good decisions and it's reflective on the field. I think they're a good football team, I have a lot of respect for Jason and the job that he has done"

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Somehow, I can't see Garrett going to Ciskowski and telling him to do whatever it takes to move down to the 6 spot and draft Claiborne.

That sounds like an all Jerry deal!

 

[Hostile]

Somehow, I can't see Garrett going to Ciskowski and telling him to do whatever it takes to move down to the 6 spot and draft Claiborne.

That sounds like an all Jerry deal!

Except that Stephen Jones was on the phone with St. Louis, and per Ciskowski the deal in principal was created the day before the Draft started and they had 24 hours to pull the trigger or not.

You might also ask yourself why Mike Fisher made a point in his interview of pointing out how Garrett's fingerprints are all over the team.

 

[Hostile]

Well then we agree on Ciskowski's job description. He and his scouts gather information on players and present them to the decision-maker, Jerry (much like any GM does with his staff). I've never disputed that he's the guy doing the legwork. Rob thanked Tom because he scouted the players. He also probably wanted to give a little public love to a guy who due to the nature of his job, who is almost always behind the scenes.

The point I want addressed is about setting the direction for the franchise. You can't boil a GM's duties down to just who makes picks. It's about deciding to go all cornerback in a draft, or all special teams in another, or to make Quincy Carter the next Michael Vick, or to saddle assistant coaches to your head coach (which you're probably about to see with your boy Garrett). So Ciskowski can work his fingers to the bone on scouting tape, but if Jerry says "we're pretty much set on offense and defense, let's get some special teams in this draft" then there's only so much a scouting staff can do.

Oh good progress.

Per Bill Parcells those decisions were he, Jeff Ireland, and Jerry.

So now, following that model it would be Garrett, Ciskowski, and Jerry. And we all know Stephen is involved.

That's where we diverge. You want it on one man, I am putting it on the entire organization who do not sit still and let someone make decisions that they all have to live with.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Oh good progress.

Per Bill Parcells those decisions were he, Jeff Ireland, and Jerry.

So now, following that model it would be Garrett, Ciskowski, and Jerry. And we all know Stephen is involved.

That's where we diverge. You want it on one man, I am putting it on the entire organization who do not sit still and let someone make decisions that they all have to live with.

I don't deny others have input, but right now what we do this offseason is going to be decided by Jerry. He's going to decide whether or not Garrett needs an offensive coordinator. Garrett won't get to decide that. Ciskowski won't decide that. And if he's forcing an offensive coach on him, which would be a clear vote of no confidence, would he still give him control over personnel? These are the kind of decisions our GM makes to steer the franchise in one direction or another and more often than not in recent history, he's wrong.

 

[silver]

if you cant tell that this team is more professional, harder working, leaders being formed and fight till to the death attitude then you are blind.....or just refuse to see.....

we are all disappointed the way the season ended, but you cant deny that there was a drastic change in the teams mentality and production the last 6 weeks of the season.....I believe this will continue into next season with a healthy roster and better players at positions of need.....

I know every season we are led to false hope and it may have left some numb to it, but there is real change happening in the organization.....

alot of the historical players of this franchise are gushing over the way Garrett is handling business at VR ...Randy and Walt were on with Doocey last night praising Garrett to the highest order for his approach, Aikman, J Johnson, Irvin, Emmitt, Moose, Staubach, Woodson, Nate, Novacek amongst others all praise the Garrett and the culture change he has brought....these things take time, and the injury bug set us back this season....but it will come

Woodson....."Jason Garrett right now is the best [person] to lead this team right now as a head coach. I think he’s a guy who’s definitely changed the culture, he just doesn’t have his pieces of the puzzle right now."

Staubach......""Jason Garrett is going to be a heckuva NFL coach, but right now, he's getting the brunt of it," Staubach said. "If you go back to Belichick and even coach (Tom) Landry at the beginning of their careers, it wasn't always hunky-dory."

even Bill Belichick praised him.....
"He's obviously [had] good control of the team, made a lot of good decisions and it's reflective on the field. I think they're a good football team, I have a lot of respect for Jason and the job that he has done"

Good post.

 

[Miller]

if you cant tell that this team is more professional, harder working, leaders being formed and fight till to the death attitude then you are blind.....or just refuse to see.....

we are all disappointed the way the season ended, but you cant deny that there was a drastic change in the teams mentality and production the last 6 weeks of the season.....I believe this will continue into next season with a healthy roster and better players at positions of need.....

I know every season we are led to false hope and it may have left some numb to it, but there is real change happening in the organization.....

alot of the historical players of this franchise are gushing over the way Garrett is handling business at VR ...Randy and Walt were on with Doocey last night praising Garrett to the highest order for his approach, Aikman, J Johnson, Irvin, Emmitt, Moose, Staubach, Woodson, Nate, Novacek amongst others all praise the Garrett and the culture change he has brought....these things take time, and the injury bug set us back this season....but it will come

Woodson....."Jason Garrett right now is the best [person] to lead this team right now as a head coach. I think he’s a guy who’s definitely changed the culture, he just doesn’t have his pieces of the puzzle right now."

Staubach......""Jason Garrett is going to be a heckuva NFL coach, but right now, he's getting the brunt of it," Staubach said. "If you go back to Belichick and even coach (Tom) Landry at the beginning of their careers, it wasn't always hunky-dory."

even Bill Belichick praised him.....
"He's obviously [had] good control of the team, made a lot of good decisions and it's reflective on the field. I think they're a good football team, I have a lot of respect for Jason and the job that he has done"

All of that got us a hard working 8-8. The guys could be gang busters but if the same coach: a) can't instill discipline to stop bad penalties, b) still calls mind boggling games, c) can't manage time and d) still has the team sleep walking through 3 quarters...then all the hard work in the world doesn't matter. Also some of the same people above said Wade was a great coach and that the players needed to step up. Its called results.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

if you cant tell that this team is more professional, harder working, leaders being formed and fight till to the death attitude then you are blind.....or just refuse to see.....

we are all disappointed the way the season ended, but you cant deny that there was a drastic change in the teams mentality and production the last 6 weeks of the season.....I believe this will continue into next season with a healthy roster and better players at positions of need.....

I know every season we are led to false hope and it may have left some numb to it, but there is real change happening in the organization.....

alot of the historical players of this franchise are gushing over the way Garrett is handling business at VR ...Randy and Walt were on with Doocey last night praising Garrett to the highest order for his approach, Aikman, J Johnson, Irvin, Emmitt, Moose, Staubach, Woodson, Nate, Novacek amongst others all praise the Garrett and the culture change he has brought....these things take time, and the injury bug set us back this season....but it will come

Woodson....."Jason Garrett right now is the best [person] to lead this team right now as a head coach. I think he’s a guy who’s definitely changed the culture, he just doesn’t have his pieces of the puzzle right now."

Staubach......""Jason Garrett is going to be a heckuva NFL coach, but right now, he's getting the brunt of it," Staubach said. "If you go back to Belichick and even coach (Tom) Landry at the beginning of their careers, it wasn't always hunky-dory."

even Bill Belichick praised him.....
"He's obviously [had] good control of the team, made a lot of good decisions and it's reflective on the field. I think they're a good football team, I have a lot of respect for Jason and the job that he has done"

Again, I feel the "working harder, fight to the end" stuff is all fluff if the results aren't showing. There are A LOT of coaches who have lost their jobs in the NFL, MLB, NCAA and it wasn't because their teams weren't playing hard. It was simply because they couldn't get the wins.

The only reason we didn't get blown out a handful of times this year is because Romo turned into Superman in the second half. That's a fact.

 

[Hostile]

I don't deny others have input, but right now what we do this offseason is going to be decided by Jerry. He's going to decide whether or not Garrett needs an offensive coordinator. Garrett won't get to decide that. Ciskowski won't decide that. And if he's forcing an offensive coach on him, which would be a clear vote of no confidence, would he still give him control over personnel? These are the kind of decisions our GM makes to steer the franchise in one direction or another and more often than not in recent history, he's wrong.

Hate to tell you but you're wrong.

How do you reconcile Jerry's praise at the end of that "uncomfortable" interview? You know, the comments that aren't getting reported at all where Jerry said Jason was at the very top of people to lead the team?

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Hate to tell you but you're wrong.

How do you reconcile Jerry's praise at the end of that "uncomfortable" interview? You know, the comments that aren't getting reported at all where Jerry said Jason was at the very top of people to lead the team?

Jerry backed Wade right up until he fired him.

He can say what he wants, but the telling sign will be what he does. Garrett sure as hell isn't eager to bring in someone to run his offense. So if Jerry forces a coach on him it's a clear sign of lacking confidence by the decision-maker of this franchise. And a move that adds even more confusion to an already dysfunctional organization.

I am clearly not on the Garrett bandwagon, but this would be a terrible move, but one that Jerry as the decision-maker/GM is going to make regardless of whether his head coach wants it or not.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Looks like Jerry World is getting the first Post-BCS NCAAF championship game. Jerry wins again!

 

[Hostile]

Jerry backed Wade right up until he fired him.

He can say what he wants, but the telling sign will be what he does. Garrett sure as hell isn't eager to bring in someone to run his offense. So if Jerry forces a coach on him it's a clear sign of lacking confidence by the decision-maker of this franchise. And a move that adds even more confusion to an already dysfunctional organization.

I am clearly not on the Garrett bandwagon, but this would be a terrible move, but one that Jerry as the decision-maker/GM is going to make regardless of whether his head coach wants it or not.

I don't believe anyone is going to be forced anywhere. That is a media creation based upon what they want so they can write the angle.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I don't believe anyone is going to be forced anywhere. That is a media creation based upon what they want so they can write the angle.

So if/when we bring in an offensive coordinator or consultant, you're going to buy the spin that Jason was on board with it?

Jason has made it clear he doesn't want to give up his control of the offense and doesn't think it's necessary.

 

[Doomsday101]

So if/when we bring in an offensive coordinator or consultant, you're going to buy the spin that Jason was on board with it?

Jason has made it clear he doesn't want to give up his control of the offense and doesn't think it's necessary.

and Jerry made the comment that he wants the HC to be the playcaller so that changes? This can be spun a lot of ways.

Right now we don't know how this will play out. Garrett may be willing to give the playcalling duties to Callahan who knows. Most things are never carved in stone and given the fact they have gone 8-8 and missed the playoffs the past 2 season Garrett may feel the need to do something different.

I'm not going to pretend to know what is taking place but I know views can and do change when circumstances change and outcomes fall below your expectation.

If Callahan or someone else does the playcalling Jerry gets called out. If Jerry does nothing he is going to get called out only thing that will make a differance will be what the end results are and we will not know that until next season. So right now Jerry is damned either way

 

[DOUBLE WING]

and Jerry made the comment that he wants the HC to be the playcaller so that changes? This can be spun a lot of ways.

Right now we don't know how this will play out. Garrett may be willing to give the playcalling duties to Callahan who knows. Most things are never carved in stone and given the fact they have gone 8-8 and missed the playoffs the past 2 season Garrett may feel the need to do something different.

I'm not going to pretend to know what is taking place but I know views can and do change when circumstances change and outcomes fall below your expectation.

If Callahan or someone else does the playcalling Jerry gets called out. If Jerry does nothing he is going to get called out only thing that will make a differance will be what the end results are and we will not know that until next season. So right now Jerry is damned either way

This isn't me guessing. He said last week he didn't think it was necessary to hand over the offensive reigns to someone else. The only way he "changed his mind" in a week is if Jerry gave him an ultimatum.

 

[Doomsday101]

This isn't me guessing. He said last week he didn't think it was necessary to hand over the offensive reigns to someone else. The only way he "changed his mind" in a week is if Jerry gave him an ultimatum.

and Jerry said he wanted a HC who called the plays. So what is the point? Is Garrett getting heat? very good possiablity he is. Would it be enough to soften his stance? Maybe so.

I always love the only way he changes his mind comments as if you know what is going on at Valley Ranch or in Garrett mind. You don't you spin like everyone else.

Heck for all we know Garrett could be let go once the SB is over and coaches in the post season are able to talk to other teams, who knows right now.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

and Jerry said he wanted a HC who called the plays. So what is the point? Is Garrett getting heat? very good possiablity he is. Would it be enough to soften his stance? Maybe so.

I always love the only way he changes his mind comments as if you know what is going on at Valley Ranch or in Garrett mind. You don't you spin like everyone else.

Heck for all we know Garrett could be let go once the SB is over and coaches in the post season are able to talk to other teams, who knows right now.

If the decision is being made for any other reason than Garrett thinking it's best for the success of the team, then it's a bad move. If it's done because Jerry wants it or because of heat from fans, it's a bad move.

 

[Doomsday101]

If the decision is being made for any other reason than Garrett thinking it's best for the success of the team, then it's a bad move. If it's done because Jerry wants it or because of heat from fans, it's a bad move.

True and if they have sat down and discussed it and Garrett is willing to go along with it then fine. I'm not going to pretend I know what talks are taking place between Jerry and Jason. No matter how this plays out people will spin it as they see fit.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

True and if they have sat down and discussed it and Garrett is willing to go along with it then fine. I'm not going to pretend I know what talks are taking place between Jerry and Jason. No matter how this plays out people will spin it as they see fit.

I don't think its hard to see what's going on. You don't need to be hovered over his shoulder to logically surmise that Garrett wants to hold onto his control over the offense. He's not going to give that up unless he's forced to.