All this talk about a DB in the 1st...

[Spectre]

It's just not gonna happen.
Sorry.

We have enough money tied up in the secondary and have used our 1st round selection twice out of the last 5 years to draft a DB. 3 times in the last 7.

We have plenty of quality potential on the roster to compete for the contraversial FS position and may add another prospect in the middle of the draft.
(Davis, Watkins, Parrish, Elam, Henry?)

Personally, I want to see more of Elam.

But 1st round, it's just not happening.
And it shouldn't because great DBs are found all over the draft.

I think this FS position has been blown out of proportion and has taken on a life of it's own. I've seen the same mistakes made at the position as everyone else since the departure of Woodson so I don't pretend to think everything is A-okay. But I think this is a very STRONG Secondary that would be successful with just an average centerfielder if the passrush were to improve and Roy was placed closer to the line. Newman, Henry, Glenn, and Williams are ALL above average players so to think the entire unit can be held hostage by one position is foolish to me.

And the people who say Henry is not a good CB are watching the wrong team on Sundays, IMO.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You must have forgotten all about Mario Edwards, Tyrone Williams, Lance Frazier... when your second best CB is putting up 73 tackles, 2 INTs and 20 passes defensed, you're in very good shape.
I personally believe Henry is a better corner on Sundays than players like DeAngelo Hall, Fred Smoot and Charles Woodson (to name a few) who always win the popular vote but when you actaully watch them play, you're left wondering what all the hype's about.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

FA filled most of our big needs, aka, Offensive Line. We now essentially have the option to trully draft the best player available. We could use some help in the NT department, as well as WR, and could maybe add some young DBs. But overall, in terms of starters, I highly doubt the draft is going to impact what we are going to do.

 

[ENGCowboy]

FA filled most of our big needs, aka, Offensive Line. We now essentially have the option to trully draft the best player available. We could use some help in the NT department, as well as WR, and could maybe add some young DBs. But overall, in terms of starters, I highly doubt the draft is going to impact what we are going to do.

Very brief but accurate assessment IMO, i think we will go to the offensive side of the ball in the 1st WR more than likely unless Lynch slips in which case we may trade JJ, though I dont want us to, and pick up an extra 2nd to upgrade other areas.:starspin

 

[CF74]

It's just not gonna happen.
Sorry.

We have enough money tied up in the secondary and have used our 1st round selection twice out of the last 5 years to draft a DB. 3 times in the last 7.

We have plenty of quality potential on the roster to compete for the contraversial FS position and may add another prospect in the middle of the draft.
(Davis, Watkins, Parrish, Elam, Henry?)

Personally, I want to see more of Elam.

But 1st round, it's just not happening.
And it shouldn't because great DBs are found all over the draft.

I think this FS position has been blown out of proportion and has taken on a life of it's own. I've seen the same mistakes made at the position as everyone else since the departure of Woodson so I don't pretend to think everything is A-okay. But I think this is a very STRONG Secondary that would be successful with just an average centerfielder if the passrush were to improve and Roy was placed closer to the line. Newman, Henry, Glenn, and Williams are ALL above average players so to think the entire unit can be held hostage by one position is foolish to me.

And the people who say Henry is not a good CB are watching the wrong team on Sundays, IMO.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You must have forgotten all about Mario Edwards, Tyrone Williams, Lance Frazier... when your second best CB is putting up 73 tackles, 2 INTs and 20 passes defensed, you're in very good shape.
I personally believe Henry is a better corner on Sundays than players like DeAngelo Hall, Fred Smoot and Charles Woodson (to name a few) who always win the popular vote but when you actaully watch them play, you're left wondering what all the hype's about.

Just my 2 cents.

i want alan branch or a MLB....

 

[Cowboy4ever]

It's just not gonna happen.
Sorry.

We have enough money tied up in the secondary and have used our 1st round selection twice out of the last 5 years to draft a DB. 3 times in the last 7.

We have plenty of quality potential on the roster to compete for the contraversial FS position and may add another prospect in the middle of the draft.
(Davis, Watkins, Parrish, Elam, Henry?)

Personally, I want to see more of Elam.

But 1st round, it's just not happening.
And it shouldn't because great DBs are found all over the draft.

I think this FS position has been blown out of proportion and has taken on a life of it's own. I've seen the same mistakes made at the position as everyone else since the departure of Woodson so I don't pretend to think everything is A-okay. But I think this is a very STRONG Secondary that would be successful with just an average centerfielder if the passrush were to improve and Roy was placed closer to the line. Newman, Henry, Glenn, and Williams are ALL above average players so to think the entire unit can be held hostage by one position is foolish to me.

And the people who say Henry is not a good CB are watching the wrong team on Sundays, IMO.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You must have forgotten all about Mario Edwards, Tyrone Williams, Lance Frazier... when your second best CB is putting up 73 tackles, 2 INTs and 20 passes defensed, you're in very good shape.
I personally believe Henry is a better corner on Sundays than players like DeAngelo Hall, Fred Smoot and Charles Woodson (to name a few) who always win the popular vote but when you actaully watch them play, you're left wondering what all the hype's about.

Just my 2 cents.

I want to draft a CB in the 1st. I agree with your assesment of Henry, I like him at CB. But you have to think about a few other things as well. Henry has been injured the last 2 years, that is a concern. Glenn is more than likely in his last year,, if even plays this year for the cowboys. I don't trust Jones or Reeves as a full time starter for us, if somone gets hurts at the CB position. What if Watkins does not get it this year,, do you really want Davis back there again?

Drafting a CB makes a lot of sense. It allows us to get a young guy back there to start learning the system and adjusting to the NFL, while not be required to play every down, maybe even someone to return punts as well. It allows us to have a few different back up plans for the FS, should watkins not work out this year.

 

[jobberone]

I want to draft a CB in the 1st. I agree with your assesment of Henry, I like him at CB. But you have to think about a few other things as well. Henry has been injured the last 2 years, that is a concern. Glenn is more than likely in his last year,, if even plays this year for the cowboys. I don't trust Jones or Reeves as a full time starter for us, if somone gets hurts at the CB position. What if Watkins does not get it this year,, do you really want Davis back there again?

Drafting a CB makes a lot of sense. It allows us to get a young guy back there to start learning the system and adjusting to the NFL, while not be required to play every down, maybe even someone to return punts as well. It allows us to have a few different back up plans for the FS, should watkins not work out this year.

Your argument is sound. There is no reason not to draft a CB in the first if that is the BPA. Same as FS. Same as pass rusher.

You can make an argument for TE, WR, OL, NT, DL, LB, and RB as well.

But our biggest hole is FS. Drafting a CB gives us wiggle room there. But drafting a FS who can start is my pick. It doesn't matter what round we pick him from but there is a difference after the first two maybe three and certainly out of the top five.

As long as we stay nearly lateral with the BPA we'll do ok though.

 

[sago1]

We need a good FS cause our secondary is held hostage w/o one. Poor play at that position affects how we use Roy Williams whose greatest strength (as we all know) is not in coverage but closer to the LOS. I'm a supporter of Watkins and hope/believe he gets the job done this year, but there is no way on this earth I want either Elam or Davis (both of whom are SS) to play at FS. Aaron Glenn is a good CB but he's too small to play FS & at 35 his replacement needs to be on this team and doubt either Reeves/Jones are that player. Henry (31) also getting age on him so it's time to draft a quality CB so he's prepared replace Glenn real soon.

Also, drafting a CB in the first round gives us he option to move Henry to FS only if Watkins clearly shows he can't get the job done. Otherwise Henry remains our starting #2 CB but we've got a good young CB to succeed Glenn very soon & Henry not too far down the road. So we'd have 2 positions covered if/when necessary. Drafting a FS in the first road only covers that position & we'd still need draft a CB to succeed Glenn.

Doubt Parish is an option since I believe I believe he a FA who've we made no effort to re-sign.

 

[BLT]

sorry but you say we wont get a DB in the 1st because of all the money that we have tied up in the secondary well thats wrong.. do you know how much the 22nd pick of the 1st round gets? last year carpenter got 5 years 12 million... so figure it should be about the same this year.. so lets say we can get a CB who could develop into a starter and move Henry to nickle later in his career then no i dont think its that much at all.. 5 years 12 million wouldnt get you a bad CB like even fred smooth in free agency( had to add a Commander burn)

 

[conner01]

It's just not gonna happen.
Sorry.

We have enough money tied up in the secondary and have used our 1st round selection twice out of the last 5 years to draft a DB. 3 times in the last 7.

We have plenty of quality potential on the roster to compete for the contraversial FS position and may add another prospect in the middle of the draft.
(Davis, Watkins, Parrish, Elam, Henry?)

Personally, I want to see more of Elam.

But 1st round, it's just not happening.
And it shouldn't because great DBs are found all over the draft.

I think this FS position has been blown out of proportion and has taken on a life of it's own. I've seen the same mistakes made at the position as everyone else since the departure of Woodson so I don't pretend to think everything is A-okay. But I think this is a very STRONG Secondary that would be successful with just an average centerfielder if the passrush were to improve and Roy was placed closer to the line. Newman, Henry, Glenn, and Williams are ALL above average players so to think the entire unit can be held hostage by one position is foolish to me.

And the people who say Henry is not a good CB are watching the wrong team on Sundays, IMO.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You must have forgotten all about Mario Edwards, Tyrone Williams, Lance Frazier... when your second best CB is putting up 73 tackles, 2 INTs and 20 passes defensed, you're in very good shape.
I personally believe Henry is a better corner on Sundays than players like DeAngelo Hall, Fred Smoot and Charles Woodson (to name a few) who always win the popular vote but when you actaully watch them play, you're left wondering what all the hype's about.

Just my 2 cents.

i agree henry is a good cb but he's 30 yrs old and a. glenn is gone after this season. i think a cb is the best pick for 22 because it will fill a need and it will be the best player availible other than maybe wr and we have a ton in wr's also.i think crayton can be a good solid #2, hurd can be a solid player. i don't think we will go wr this year because it would mean cutting hurd or austin. don't think it's time to give up on either. cb

 

[Crown Royal]

I'm hoping for a TE.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

It's just not gonna happen.
Sorry.

We have enough money tied up in the secondary and have used our 1st round selection twice out of the last 5 years to draft a DB. 3 times in the last 7.

We have plenty of quality potential on the roster to compete for the contraversial FS position and may add another prospect in the middle of the draft.
(Davis, Watkins, Parrish, Elam, Henry?)

Personally, I want to see more of Elam.

But 1st round, it's just not happening.
And it shouldn't because great DBs are found all over the draft.

I think this FS position has been blown out of proportion and has taken on a life of it's own. I've seen the same mistakes made at the position as everyone else since the departure of Woodson so I don't pretend to think everything is A-okay. But I think this is a very STRONG Secondary that would be successful with just an average centerfielder if the passrush were to improve and Roy was placed closer to the line. Newman, Henry, Glenn, and Williams are ALL above average players so to think the entire unit can be held hostage by one position is foolish to me.

And the people who say Henry is not a good CB are watching the wrong team on Sundays, IMO.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You must have forgotten all about Mario Edwards, Tyrone Williams, Lance Frazier... when your second best CB is putting up 73 tackles, 2 INTs and 20 passes defensed, you're in very good shape.
I personally believe Henry is a better corner on Sundays than players like DeAngelo Hall, Fred Smoot and Charles Woodson (to name a few) who always win the popular vote but when you actaully watch them play, you're left wondering what all the hype's about.

Just my 2 cents.

Where are all those Great Db's at???

Henry can play at a high level and Newman can as well. Problem is after 34 Aaronn Glenn you have who?

Nate Jones and Jacque Reeves..... Henry is almost 30 and T-new wasn't exactly a young rookie (age wise) when he got drafted. Reeves and Jones can't lock down the nickel back position let alone anything else.

If that BPA is Houston , Hall , or Nelson.. You have to consider them as they can all provide talented youth for the immediate future.

I'm not saying I would pick them over say Anthony Spencer or Ted Ginn but they will fill a void if Henry is hurt again or moves to FS.

I'd rather trade up and get Merriweather in the early second round anyway.

 

[Hoofbite]

You don't shy away from improving your team because of other players' salaries. Thats dumb.

 

[BLT]

if merriweather wasnt such a punk id really want us to draft him.. i think hes skill wise the best safety in the draft.. and i think he could be a nickle CB, he did play CB at the U.. but i hate the thought of having a player from the U on our team.. but if we go WR in the 1st round and merriweather is there in the 2nd round i would DEF grab him... imagine in the 1st 2 rounds we grab meachem and merriweather?

 

[superpunk]

I'm hoping for a TE.

heh....

I agree with the psoter above who was talking about the salary. Picking this late in the first, and with the dough out there, money is not an issue. The fact that our starting corners are nearing thirty or above it, one has had nagging injuries and the other will be up for a monster contract, is absolutely an issue.

 

[carphalen5150]

I really see the value of drafting a CB/FS in the first round. With what Clements got I can only imagine what Newman is going to be looking for. Reggie Nelson is my first choice at 22 because he has the versatility to play CB as well...otherwise Hall, Revis, or Houston (who I am warming to) or Eric Wright in the 2nd make perfect sense to me.

I'd like to hear what position you would like to address though.

 

[CCBoy]

Hey, pretty good thread going here...

I'm thinking that the team, base needs considered, needs to do three things during Day One of the draft...

I'm impressed with the declaration of a need for an interior linebacker. That position definitely can be upgraded. Also, with the recent losses and the current pending loss-the main positional group for the 3-4, needs some strengthening of a long term nature, also....just like the secondary/cornerback group does. I would like a middle linebacker in round one, or even an outside pass rusher, if a top notched one falls to Dallas.

The three positional groups that I see should be addressed in Day One of the draft, are linebacker, cornerback, and nose tackle.

At the start of Day Two, a quarterback, and then start the effort to uncover diamonds in the rough...such as receivers, linemen, and a fullback....

 

[AbeBeta]

I really see the value of drafting a CB/FS in the first round. With what Clements got I can only imagine what Newman is going to be looking for.

Clement's deal was big but also seriously inflated. it wasn't 8 for 80 mill -- it is 7 for 64 mill -- the last year has a 16 million base -- obviously he won't see that $$.

That's similar to what Champ Bailey got in 2004.

There is some inflation here but I would expect that Newman would have been in line for Bailey type money anyway.

The sky isn't falling.

 

[carphalen5150]

Clement's deal was big but also seriously inflated. it wasn't 8 for 80 mill -- it is 7 for 64 mill -- the last year has a 16 million base -- obviously he won't see that $$.

That's similar to what Champ Bailey got in 2004.

There is some inflation here but I would expect that Newman would have been in line for Bailey type money anyway.

The sky isn't falling.

Bottom line though is that I do not want us to be in a situation where we lack depth at CB. I worry that Henry does not have much left, hopefully his health comes around. Glenn will be gone and Reeves may fly the coop as well.

That is why I would be for taking a CB now...the rook would have experience and it would be forward thinking.

 

[CATCH17]

Your crazy if you think we wouldnt take a DB in the 1st or any other position other than QB even.

We will draft the best available player. Linemen, DB, line backer, or what ever.

 

[Spectre]

Some good arguments here.

I have to admit that you guys do make a good case for drafting a DB what with the ages of some of our current players, the going rate for good DBs in the league, and our position in the draft.

I guess I was basically stating that I just don't see it happening. We have been drafting for the defense in the 1st every year and it just feels like an offensive pick is long overdue. That and the fact that I think we need a NT and ILB more than we need a DB because our Secondary is currently pretty good.

But in the end we ARE in a position to take the B P A and I agree with that, whether he be a RB or an OG or WR or (yes) even a CB.