Am I alone? I believe this team will go to the SB if we stay healthy

[BrAinPaiNt]

lol

Its more like "sans '14 finishing 8-8 and losing to a better team the last game of the season"

Somehow this Commanders franchise has more division titles than the Cowboys this decade.

You know its June when the national media and Cowboy fans are talking Superbowl. A fun annual tradition

Better check with your doctor...I think you have too much iron(y) in your blood.

Try the veal...I'll be here all week.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Now here come the insults..lol Where has your team been the past few years?

Its rather funny watching two fans from middling franchises battle it out. Coming off a 4-12 season for out boys and a NFC East title for the skins just last year, Im not sure there is anything to brag about as a Cowboys fan. Romo goes down and we will be right back in the cellar.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I seriously doubt we go from 4-12 to the Super Bowl. Thats what Ive sort of been trained to think. That, doesnt happen.

But in todays NFL.....its just so different.

Having said that, I still dont think they make it. I do think AZ and CAR and even Seattle/GB are slightly better. Were not even in the top 4/5 of the NFC. And we have proven, we arent a very good franchise. We just dont have that kind of success.......we havent in a long long time.

Now, I do think we can win the East. And I do think we can win a playoff game.....or two. And that puts us "right there"......a good luck bounce of the ball....a bad day for the opposing QB......a number of things could happen. And I dont think its out of the question. But everything.....everything....has to go just right.,.....any adversity? were done. Any other franchise gets hot like CAR did last year, were done.

havent read the entire thread...sorry? What are the odds of the Boys making a SB? If the odds pay 20-1 15-1???, I might put a pickle or two on those odds....

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Odds for the Cowboys to MAKE the Super Bowl. 15-1

 

[School]

Judging from Vegas odds, it looks like the Cowboys are being placed in the 2nd tier of NFC teams.

1st tier - Seattle, Green Bay, Carolina

2nd tier - Arizona, Dallas, Minnesota

(Irrelevent tier - Commanders)

 

[DallasDomination]

If we stay healthy I think the Cowboys can contend and make the playoffs. But to be in the sb we're going to need a lot of things to go right.

What if the Packers are healthy?

What if Carson Palmer doesn't choke?

What if Seattle gets back in form?

What if we play the Panthers in the 1st round?

What if the division is harder than expected?

What if the Vikings get better play from the qb position and Adrian Peterson doesn't fumble?

Let's tap the brakes for a sec.

 

[skinsscalper]

Just like your team has been on the upswing for the last 20 years...Both franchises have been crap for so long,but you act like Dallas has been the cream of the crop of the NFL..

I've never acted like Dallas is the cream of the crop of the NFL. There's no one more familiar with our struggles than this fan. I'm just smart enough not to show up to other team's boards and act like a ****** bag. You?

 

[skinsscalper]

lol

Its more like "sans '14 finishing 8-8 and losing to a better team the last game of the season"

Somehow this Commanders franchise has more division titles than the Cowboys this decade.

You know its June when the national media and Cowboy fans are talking Superbowl. A fun annual tradition

And not a playoff win to show for it, champ. Pretty empty division titles if you ask me. But hey, what you expect from a Foreskins fan?

 

[School]

If we stay healthy I think the Cowboys can contend and make the playoffs. But to be in the sb we're going to need a lot of things to go right.

What if the Packers are healthy?

What if Carson Palmer doesn't choke?

What if Seattle gets back in form?

What if we play the Panthers in the 1st round?

What if the division is harder than expected?

What if the Vikings get better play from the qb position and Adrian Peterson doesn't fumble?

Let's tap the brakes for a sec.

To have a shot at the Superbowl, I think the Cowboys are going to need an excellent regular season record, good enough to get a first round bye. Given the deficiencies on defense, I don't think this team is good enough to consistently beat top teams, so the fewer matchups against them the better.

As it stands now, they have one of the easiest schedules in the league (tied for 27th), and schedule often plays a huge role in a team's record. Carolina's 2015 strength of schedule was roughly the same as what Dallas's will be this season. The Packers have the easiest schedule in the entire league, so you have to think they're going to get one of the top two seeds. Dallas needs to get the other one.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You're jumping all over the place with your argument. We are not comparing this defense to last year's we are comparing it to 2014 so why are you bringing up hardy? He wasn't here then so nothing changes there. Ware has no effect on anything either because he was already with the Broncos. Lawrence missed the whole first half of the season with a broken foot in 14 and even when he came back he wasn't a starter. George freaking selvie and Jeremy Mincey were our DE tandem so yes you can say that our DE now are already better on paper. The fact that you're trying to say our defense isn't better with a pro bowl linebacker inserted is asinine as well. DT is much better than the 14 edition and so is the secondary. On paper we look way better than what we walked into the season with in 14 and its not even close.

You sound ridiculous. Our two starting DE's are suspended for the first 4 games. So your theory just got destroyed right there. Predicting anything beyond the first 4 games is a crap shoot. Both DE's could be suspended further by then or half our team could be injured by the time we get to that point.

Romo is two years older and two years more brittle then he was in 2014. Or did you forget about last year? Witten is older, Scandric is coming off major surgery, Dez Bryant has a foot problem no one is sure he will fully recover from. Comparing 2016 to 2014 is ridiculous they were totally different teams. The only fans that bother doing it is homers that want to find any simple way to try to believe that we can easily duplicate that kind of success and wave the pom poms.

And although I think the run game could be more dynamic than 2014 any team would be hard pressed to have a better offense or run game then that team did. We would be lucky to get back to that level.

 

[KJJ]

The master of changing the narrative strikes.

Someone has been reading too many of Fuzzy's posts or you're his alter ego. By the way I thought that "Blessing in Disguise" thread was yours. You're good for at least one of those every year along with a "Silver Lining" thread. lol

 

[School]

You sound ridiculous. Our two starting DE's are suspended for the first 4 games. So your theory just got destroyed right there. Predicting anything beyond the first 4 games is a crap shoot. Both DE's could be suspended further by then or half our team could be injured by the time we get to that point.

Romo is two years older and two years more brittle then he was in 2014. Or did you forget about last year? Witten is older, Scandric is coming off major surgery, Dez Bryant has a foot problem no one is sure he will fully recover from. Comparing 2016 to 2014 is ridiculous they were totally different teams. The only fans that bother doing it is homers that want to find any simple way to try to believe that we can easily duplicate that kind of success and wave the pom poms.

And although I think the run game could be more dynamic than 2014 any team would be hard pressed to have a better offense or run game then that team did. We would be lucky to get back to that level.

Comparing 2016 to 2015 is ridiculous they were totally different teams. The only fans that bother doing it is haters that want to find any simple way to try to believe that we can easily duplicate that kind of failure and wear brown paper bags on their heads.

 

[KJJ]

Having said that, I still dont think they make it. I do think AZ and CAR and even Seattle/GB are slightly better. Were not even in the top 4/5 of the NFC. And we have proven, we arent a very good franchise. We just dont have that kind of success.......we havent in a long long time.

Carolina is night and day better than us they smoked us at home with Romo. AZ won 13 games last season and they pounded us in 2014 and might have won convincingly even if we had Romo. AZ has a hell of a lot better team than the Cowboys with a SOLID defense. Even with a healthy Romo we're never going to win 13 games with this head coach and defense. The 12 win season we had in 2014 was a fluke. The teams you mentioned except for Carolina have all been consistent winners the past few seasons. Even you're admitting we've proven we're not a good franchise. Some think all we need is Romo and we're right back to going 12-4 again. We had three straight 8-8 seasons with Romo and that 12-4 season in 2014 came out of nowhere.

I've said it many times when you go 1-11 with 3 backup QBs including 2 veterans that have won more 30 games between them you're problems are far deeper than QB. This is a FAN board and some think the Cowboys can reach the SB every year even with backup QBs I've seen the posts! The Cowboys haven't gotten past the second round of the playoffs in 20 years. The defense has been a HUGE problem with every playoff team we've had under Romo. It's been our inability to make critical stops that's cost us in the playoffs. Against Seattle in the playoffs in 06 the Cowboys held a 20-15 lead with just over 6 minutes to play and Hasselebeck hit Jerramy Stevens for a 37 yard TD with just over 4 minutes to go putting the game on Romo and our offense. Had our D stiffened that game never comes down to a bobbled snap we would have been looking to run down the clock.

In the playoffs in 09 vs the Vikings although our OL didn't play well we allowed a turnover machine like Brett Favre to toss 4 TD passes. Everyone talks about our OL coming apart but our defense could hardly make one damn stop the entire game. Sydney Rice had 6 catches for 141 yards. Against the Packers in the playoffs in 2014 a hobbling Aaron Rogers took our D apart. He tossed a TD hopping around on one leg. We couldn't pressure him and missed tackles all day. Even after Dez's catch was overturned we had plenty of time to stop the Packers on their final drive and get the ball back for one last opportunity but allowed them to eat up the entire clock.

We're not going to win a damn thing with a defense that can't cover or pressure the QB especially when games are on the line. If you're going to be a great team you have to have a defense that can make a big stop or it's going to come back to haunt you no matter how great your offense is. You have to be able to play some defense! FANS accuse some of us of being haters and I'll be honest I have some hate for our defense. Go back and watch what Jameis Winston did to our D in the final seconds last season...disgusting! Our offense never saw the ball in TWO OT games. One FAN claimed we're better off at DE than we have been with our 2 starting DEs suspected the first 4 games. lol You have another FAN talking up our DL like it's the fearsome foursome. No one lives in a fantasy world like homers.

 

[KJJ]

Comparing 2016 to 2015 is ridiculous they were totally different teams. The only fans that bother doing it is haters that want to find any simple way to try to believe that we can easily duplicate that kind of failure and wear brown paper bags on their heads.

The only way we'll duplicate the kind of failure we saw last season is if Romo goes down early again for most of the season. Our backups are Moore and Dak good luck with that. If we're going to be better than a 500 team Romo has to stay healthy and our defense must improve. Someway Somehow we're going to have to find a pass rush.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I agree our best chance came and went in 2014 with this corp group. There's just too many issues with the coaching and the defense plus Romo is having trouble staying healthy.

Why are the chances less if the core group is basically the same? Actually, the core group is better on the offensive line because they're more experienced.

It's the same coaching staff that went 12-4, what are the issues with Romo healthy? Did they somehow forget what they did?

Everything I've read across the board says the defense will be better. Sean Lee missed the entire 2014 season. Byron Jones is an immediate upgrade at safety, Cedric Thorton is the best run stopper we've had in a long time and there is some depth on the defensive line that simply wasn't there in 2014. The defense is far removed from those awful 8-8 defenses and are at least middle of the road now. Even mentioning the 2009 defense is laughable. Six years in the NFL is virtually a generation of players removed.

One of the reasons Romo stayed healthy in 2014 was that he didn't have to carry the team. With Elliott and the offensive line, Romo should be able to go back to the 2014 game plan. It's pure speculation so why include it in our chances? Roethlisberger has had a hard time staying healthy too. That's not a reason to downgrade the chances of the Steelers before the season starts. Brady gets hurt? Done. Palmer gets hurt? Done. Wilson gets hurt? Done. Romo gets hurt? Done. He's on the field and playing week one against the Giants - evaluate it from there.

Finally - the schedule has finally given us a break this year.

I think everything you mentioned is the exact opposite. I think Carolina, AZ, Seattle, Green Bay and Dallas are the teams to beat and anything could happen but I think we absolutely have a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl.

BTW - that's not fans speak - that's Vegas speak.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Their are two questions and the answer to one or both of those questions has to be yes.

With the premise already in place for a healthy season (so no injury factors in place).

1. Is this offense going to be good enough to over come the defense?

2. Is this defense going to be good enough to help the offense?

We either need a good Offense with a defense that can help out...or we will need an EXCELLENT offense to make up for the short comings of this defense.

Even with that, we will need a lucky call here or there, a lucky bounce of the ball, to eliminate the annual what the bald headed hades are you doing game full of mistakes...and even then we MIGHT...MIGHT make it.

Until we prove we can go into the playoffs and make a run for it...can of hard to be optimistic.

We need seasons where the good season is the norm...not the anomaly... and we need that in a short time frame.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Judging from Vegas odds, it looks like the Cowboys are being placed in the 2nd tier of NFC teams.

1st tier - Seattle, Green Bay, Carolina

2nd tier - Arizona, Dallas, Minnesota

(Irrelevent tier - Commanders)

Bingo! Thank you! Best post of the entire thread and it's based on the best premise in all of football.

Always...always follow the money.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Their are two questions and the answer to one or both of those questions has to be yes.

With the premise already in place for a healthy season (so no injury factors in place).

1. Is this offense going to be good enough to over come the defense?

2. Is this defense going to be good enough to help the offense?

We either need a good Offense with a defense that can help out...or we will need an EXCELLENT offense to make up for the short comings of this defense.

Even with that, we will need a lucky call here or there, a lucky bounce of the ball, to eliminate the annual what the bald headed hades are you doing game full of mistakes...and even then we MIGHT...MIGHT make it.

Until we prove we can go into the playoffs and make a run for it...can of hard to be optimistic.

We need seasons where the good season is the norm...not the anomaly... and we need that in a short time frame.

Fair and reasonable assertion.

 

[mrmojo]

A Super Bowl is just so hard to win or even get to. Even for the great teams on paper, a lot has to go right during the season. Making the playoffs should be the more realistic goal and then let the chips fall where they may from there, just so many questions,, especially on defense.

 

[Doomsday101]

i believe this team will go to the SB is we stay healthy. Zeke may put up Murray type numbers, but I expect Romo to have his best season ever this year.

It all depends on Dez, Witten and whomever plays the 2 WR spot. 4500 yards passing is not unreasonable if we force 7 in the box at all times. No one can stop the passing game with only 4 in coverage. They can't stop the run with 7. Pick your poison.

I will just say our chances are better than some and not as good as others.