Am I the only one underwhelmed by our draft?

[ZeroClub]

Now I know we have some young guys on the OL but most of them are on their "last chance" and have been nothing but problems since day 1... so with no track record for the current prospects and no STUD players developed in 8 or 9 years it begs the question... is there something wrong?

I think you have a point to make. It is true that the Cowboys OL appears to be the weakest link on this team.

At the same time, though, it has also been, what, 17 or 18 years since the Cowboys drafted a STUD QB?

Julius Jones has had some big games, but it has been 15 years or more since the Cowboys drafted a reliable STUD at RB.

It has also been a very long time since the Cowboys drafted a STUD WR.

Unless people want to count Ellis as a STUD or believe that Canty/Spears have already distinguished themselves as elite -- Leon Lett would be the most recent STUD DL drafted by the Cowboys.

The Jacob Rogers whiff hurt mightily, of course. And last year's decision to count on Rogers to fill the RT spot was an obvious mistake. Maybe Peterman will turn out to be a whiff too. That'll also hurt.

Johnson and Gurode haven't been STUD players, but they haven't been complete whiffs - and are still young enough to develop into better players.

While I'm encouraged by recent reports on Petitte's offseason, I don't have bunch of faith in him, but I do have some hope.

Let's hope Cowboys scouting on Kosier was good. I don't count Rivera against the Cowboys scouting. The bad back was bad luck.

It is also worth mentioning, as a minor point, that part of the problem with the Cowboys' OL draft has been that the Cowboys have narrowly missed drafting players who they've wanted to draft. Shawn Andrews and Daryn Colledge serve as examples. I don't think these misses were due to bad scouting. Just some bad luck.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Most of us read other teams boards

Actually I'll bet most of us don't.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I just think they cant scout OL... I guess since I beleive that I should be happy they do not daft OLINE!!! when your scouting dept. lets u draft PETERMAN over MATT SCHAUB there is a problem!

We already had enough unproven QB's on the roster at that time. Rather than bring in another we went O-line to try and shore up that spot some.

If we had gone QB with that pick and he turned out to be a bust, you would have been crying about us going QB when we really needed an O-lineman drafted then.

You can't have it both ways. Remember that the draft is nothing but a crapshoot. You want proof? How about a recent 3 time super bowl winning QB (that any team would love to have right now) going in the 6th round.

 

[ZeroClub]

Going into minicamp I realize that I am just not as excited as I have been in previous years about our rookies.

Sorry, but I just wanted to know if I'm alone here.

I agree, but it is tough to match last year's excitement. Heck, last year Parcells was almost giddy about Ware being the next LT!

And the year before, following the Troy Hambrick experience, fans were especially eager to see what the Cowboys had in Julius Jones.

Carpenter doesn't bring that kind of excitement. But then he doesn't have to in order to make this defense significantly better. I like the pick.

I like the Hatcher pick. Watkins is intriguing. Montavious Stanley will bring entertainment value.

I don't expect Green to be much more than Wayne McGarity (or Kevin Williams if we are lucky).

I'm fine with the Cowboys drafting a TE early, but Fasano's back scares me.

 

[speedkilz88]

If your talking about that post on Fasano's back(plate and screws), that was bogus. Nothing has ever been put out by a legitimate source other than he had back spasms in one game early in his Notre Dame career.


And I trust our new scouts a lot more than the previous ones, and if they think Green is another Dante Hall, then I'll believe them until proven otherwise. Wane McGarity? uke:

 

[iceberg]

If your talking about that post on Fasano's back(plate and screws), that was bogus. Nothing has ever been put out by a legitimate source other than he had back spasms in one game early in his Notre Dame career.


And I trust our new scouts a lot more than the previous ones, and if they think Green is another Dante Hall, then I'll believe them until proven otherwise. Wane McGarity? uke:

you ever see a team draft a player and go "well, we think they'll suck, but we'll give it a shot..."

no - they compare these players to "proven" players to hype it up. let him earn it before we start bestowing these accolades on him.

 

[Alexander]

you ever see a team draft a player and go "well, we think they'll suck, but we'll give it a shot..."

no - they compare these players to "proven" players to hype it up. let him earn it before we start bestowing these accolades on him.

All choices get compared to proven players to give a point of reference.

The hype only exists in the mind of the fan who interprets the comparison literally and draws unrealistic expectations from them.

 

[iceberg]

All choices get compared to proven players to give a point of reference.

The hype only exists in the mind of the fan who interprets the comparison literally and draws unrealistic expectations from them.

can't argue that.

 

[DLCassidy]

so i can either rant and rave cause you're WRONG!!!! *or* i could ask if you're color blind, in a part of the world where the northern lights could make it green, or other aspects that would make it true *to you* - NOT just blast you cause it's not green to me.

huge difference you get in time. : )

You're missing my point but thank you for patronizing me. Sometimes we all say things that are factually wrong- it's ok for another poster to point that out. Calling a statement an "opinion" doesn't mean it can't be baseless, especially if you can't/won't back it up with facts. The vast majority of posters on this board are here because we're open to new ideas, positive or negative. But you may find people more open if you're less sarcastic and come across as less whining, for what it's worth to you.

 

[iceberg]

You're missing my point but thank you for patronizing me. Sometimes we all say things that are factually wrong- it's ok for another poster to point that out. Calling a statement an "opinion" doesn't mean it can't be baseless, especially if you can't/won't back it up with facts. The vast majority of posters on this board are here because we're open to new ideas, positive or negative. But you may find people more open if you're less sarcastic and come across as less whining, for what it's worth to you.

first of all - you continue to miss my "perspective" analogies.

the comment was directed at me and poking fun at me hoping in time *i'll* get that difference.

the overall "opinion/fact" convo was w/summer and was quite possibly the stupidest comment i saw someone make in here in years - i will NOT drop back to debate the differences between fact and opinion - i alraady agree most know that and shouldn't *have* to - which is what made that such an incredibally stupid comment by summer.

i am sarcastic - i'd rather be "me" and not liked that well than some PC-clone-drone everyone can love cause he's always happy and saying "go team". and NO - i'm NOT referring to ANYONE IN HERE with that comment - just a generic statement on my part.

whining - again, still me and what i do. i call it convo and my opinion, you cal it whining. if my "opinion" were always happy then again, maybe i'd be more "popular" but that was never my goal either.

but thanks man. i needed a good talking down to htis am. : )

 

[DLCassidy]

but thanks man. i needed a good talking down to htis am. : )

You're welcome.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Man I start good threads...

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[Bob Sacamano]

the overall "opinion/fact" convo was w/summer and was quite possibly the stupidest comment i saw someone make in here in years

get over it

 

[iceberg]

get over it

never had it to get over. it was your problem and your stupidity - but i wasn't gonna get into your "wordsmith" games that you define as you go along.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

never had it to get over. it was your problem and your stupidity - but i wasn't gonna get into your "wordsmith" games that you define as you go along.

how was it stupid? it's my opinion, after all, aren't you a big proponent of opinion? so if opinions can't be stupid, you must be calling me stupid then, now you wouldn't be calling me stupid, a direct violation of the forum post guidelines would you? and my thorough thrashing of your argument more than made up for that "problem"

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and about your plan ice, signing a OG and C to OT deals, and taking a nice backup Olineman instead of a starting OLB, starting TE, a DE who figures to feature prominently in the Dline rotation, starting K and P returner, potential starting FS...yeah, GREAT PLAN!

 

[iceberg]

and about your plan ice, signing a OG and C to OT deals, and taking a nice backup Olineman instead of a starting OLB, starting TE, a DE who figures to feature prominently in the Dline rotation, starting K and P returner, potential starting FS...yeah, GREAT PLAN!

and you/others wonder why i don't like to talk about what *I'D" do cause i know beforehand you're only asking to rip it up.

look here koolaide boy - you wanna worshop every nugget that comes out of valley ranch as the next great thing, have at it. time will tell if they're right. till then, sit around, be smug and drink a lot of kool and feel like you have to defend the honor of the cowboys every time someone would prefer something NOT what's being done.

 

[iceberg]

how was it stupid? it's my opinion, after all, aren't you a big proponent of opinion? so if opinions can't be stupid, you must be calling me stupid then, now you wouldn't be calling me stupid, a direct violation of the forum post guidelines would you? and my thorough thrashing of your argument more than made up for that "problem"

i said saying something like "if it's your opinion you have to say so!!!" was STUPID.

you and a clue don't play much together. join a few others on ignore - i'm tired of your pre-pubecent chest beating at my expense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and you/others wonder why i don't like to talk about what *I'D" do cause i know beforehand you're only asking to rip it up.

trust me, if you suggest something that is feasible, or makes remotely a bit of sense, I won't rip your opinion

no kool-aid drinker here, I know what about the Cowboys to praise, and what not to

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and notice the only people I go after are you, Eddie, certain Commander trolls, not all of them are mind you, and HH? it's not a coincidence