Am I the only one underwhelmed by our draft?

[Eddie]

Give me a break.

Question, complain, whatever.

Just do a little more than complain and give vague solutions like signing players that were financially out of our budget and/or drafting players rounds earlier than their actual talent dictated and reaching for need.

Who's complaining and who's giving vague solutions?

So we should simply be quiet and accept what management dictates to us?

No one's advocating overpaying for players or drafting for need ... we simply ask the team to do more with what we have.

Third round draft pick on a developmental DE???

Fourth round draft pick on a punt returner???

Come on now. Does that raise a red flag to you? Do I feel robbed? Sure do.

Drafting for need is not the answer, but nor is throwing away draft picks. There's a compromise. Why take the BPA who turns into the #4 DE and a #5 WR who'll be a punt returner, when there are massive holes to fill elsewhere???

Are we not allowed to question this line of thinking? We haven't won a playoff game in 9 years. Maybe it's time we all wake up, smell the coffee, and realize we haven't been making the best of decisions over this past decade.

You may think Jerry Jones is all world and kiss his behind for those Super Bowls a decade ago, but I say, What have you done for me lately???

When suggestions are offered, it's simply countered by, "Why aren't YOU paid to be an NFL GM???". Typical rebuttle. So we all be happy with the company's decisions and toe the line like happy little army ants.

 

[Eddie]

I give you these 15.....

10 commandments!

Great movie!!!

 

[AtlCB]

it's not the MODS who'll do anything - they do a great job as it is letting it go. it's the other posters who will kick you in the tata's for daring to suggest bp and company could be wrong.

What exactly does this have to with freedom of speech. Posters are free to post their thoughts - positive or negative - about the organization. Other posters have the right to comment on those posts. Please explain to me how anyone's freedom of speech has been violated????

 

[Eddie]

this is the weakest line in FOOTBALL and Ranch Heads are saying noone can help us... oh and my fav the PATS wanted our guy so I'm glad we have him to sit behind Spears and Canty!!!

I'm right there with you on this one. I'm still scratching my head.

Seems like the concensus is that there wasn't a player who could start on the OL for us, so why bother taking one?

Hmmm, that reminds me of the same line of thinking back when we were drafting backups and ST players in the mid 90's ... cuz we were so good, no rookie could come in and start, so let's just draft backups and Special Teams players.

Hatcher, Green ... wow, the past is coming back to haunt us.

Let's see, we found Erik Williams in the 3rd round, Larry Allen in the 2nd, Flo in the 2nd ... yet, there are no players in the draft who could help this team along the OL.

 

[iceberg]

What exactly does this have to with freedom of speech. Posters are free to post their thoughts - positive or negative - about the organization. Other posters have the right to comment on those posts. Please explain to me how anyone's freedom of speech has been violated????

sure. right after you show me where i said they had been.

 

[Eddie]

What exactly does this have to with freedom of speech. Posters are free to post their thoughts - positive or negative - about the organization. Other posters have the right to comment on those posts. Please explain to me how anyone's freedom of speech has been violated????

Bro ... it's a joke. Calm down.

 

[Alexander]

Who's complaining and who's giving vague solutions?

I can name names, but I think you can figure that out.

No one's advocating overpaying for players or drafting for need ... we simply ask the team to do more with what we have.

And the challenge back is give reasonable alternatives. Not just say "well, they were there, I dunno who they are, but they existed, you know?"

Third round draft pick on a developmental DE???

Who do you feel was a better choice here? Be specific.

Fourth round draft pick on a punt returner???

And here?

Come on now. Does that raise a red flag to you? Do I feel robbed? Sure do.

How robbed would you feel if eventually we trade Greg Ellis for example? Would the Hatcher pick still seem foolish to you? How about if we didn't take Green, who would you envision us rolling out there as a punt returner.

Drafting for need is not the answer, but nor is throwing away draft picks. There's a compromise. Why take the BPA who turns into the #4 DE and a #5 WR who'll be a punt returner, when there are massive holes to fill elsewhere???

So you feel that badly about Hatcher, Green and so on that you feel we threw the picks away?

Are we not allowed to question this line of thinking? We haven't won a playoff game in 9 years. Maybe it's time we all wake up, smell the coffee, and realize we haven't been making the best of decisions over this past decade.

And nobody is talking about the entirety of the past decade. The first two drafts under Parcells were spotty. Last year's looks gold and this one has promise. What is reassuring is that the team showed it had a plan and it stuck to the plan. What was our plan is year's past? Reach for need (Carter, Carver, LaFleur)? Trade down at the drop of a hat and still take risky prospects (Pittman)? Take character risks (Ross, Larrimore)?

You may think Jerry Jones is all world and kiss his behind for those Super Bowls a decade ago, but I say, What have you done for me lately???

I firmly believe if Jones were in charge of this past draft, you would have seen picks that would drive you insane. It isn't just Jones anymore. I am sure he has been flogged enough for his past errors. This isn't even close to that ballpark.

When suggestions are offered, it's simply countered by, "Why aren't YOU paid to be an NFL GM???". Typical rebuttle. So we all be happy with the company's decisions and toe the line like happy little army ants.

It isn't about that, at least from my perspective. Trust me, there isn't a person on these boards qualified to do what Jeff Ireland does. We don't see the film, we don't watch every game. He does. That alone makes his voice more credible. And he has clearly explained why we didn't draft an OL and could give clear and concise answers to explain each draft pick. But apparently that's not enough for the armchair GMs who probably couldn't tell you the first thing about the OL we "passed on", nor do they know what it would have taken to sign the high priced FAs and what it would do to our plan.

If you don't like the plan, that's your right. But you should be thankful it appears we have one. That hasn't been the case until very recently.

 

[junk]

Who's complaining and who's giving vague solutions?

So we should simply be quiet and accept what management dictates to us?

No one's advocating overpaying for players or drafting for need ... we simply ask the team to do more with what we have.

Third round draft pick on a developmental DE???

Fourth round draft pick on a punt returner???

Come on now. Does that raise a red flag to you? Do I feel robbed? Sure do.

Drafting for need is not the answer, but nor is throwing away draft picks. There's a compromise. Why take the BPA who turns into the #4 DE and a #5 WR who'll be a punt returner, when there are massive holes to fill elsewhere???

Are we not allowed to question this line of thinking? We haven't won a playoff game in 9 years. Maybe it's time we all wake up, smell the coffee, and realize we haven't been making the best of decisions over this past decade.

You may think Jerry Jones is all world and kiss his behind for those Super Bowls a decade ago, but I say, What have you done for me lately???

When suggestions are offered, it's simply countered by, "Why aren't YOU paid to be an NFL GM???". Typical rebuttle. So we all be happy with the company's decisions and toe the line like happy little army ants.

I've been more than critical of the organization when it was deserved.

Would I have rather had Colledge over Fasano? Yes, but he wasn't available.

However, I am not up in arms about the Hatcher pick. He isn't going to be the #4 defensive end or developmental. I think its likely he starts inside on the nickel which is a significant amount of snaps. He'll rotate in at the 3-4 end position which is significant. Those guys need to rotate if they are continually trying to take on two gaps.

As far as Green, I'll admit I am a little concerned about the pick, but I do think Dallas will have some special packages to get him the ball. He'll probably be the full time punt and KR. How many fourth rounders do you typically get much production from?

I am sure a lot of this whining and crying has to do with the fact that Dallas passed on guys like Gilles who was a "big" name that people recognized. I doubt he was even on the Dallas board.

Everyone wants to hail Philly's draft as being exceptional, but I think their bust factor is probably the highest as well. I have very serious reservations about Bunkley, Justice and Gilles.

 

[lspain1]

see my tagline - hit the site and find the babes section. she's the head babe. .

I checked the site....

This is 'off topic' but.....I take back what I said about the 'almost nekkid women.'

If I weren't married, I'd be tryin' to come to your parties!

You may now return to your regularly scheduled debate.:

 

[Alexander]

I am sure a lot of this whining and crying has to do with the fact that Dallas passed on guys like Gilles who was a "big" name that people recognized. I doubt he was even on the Dallas board.

It's all about the "names".

Gilles dropped from a possible one/definite two until the second day. That is a possible "solution"? How about the sure fire top twenty Justice?

And the free agents? I have heard two little peeps about Hutchinson and Bentley. We had to cut Allen for financial reasons to give us breathing room, yet we were going to mortgage the Valley Ranch complex to get either (both of whom showed ZERO interest in becoming Cowboys to begin with)? As for Kosier, we signed him immediately. This wasn't like standing around for weeks and signing Marcellus Wiley. That was worthy of complaining about. Again, there are clear signs we did our homework.

Sadly, some posters don't even know the subject matter to begin with and that's part of the problem. They can tell you the "names" though. Laymen.

 

[chinch]

Going into minicamp I realize that I am just not as excited as I have been in previous years about our rookies.

Sorry, but I just wanted to know if I'm alone here.

Skyler Green is about the only pick I really like and he's probably nothing more than STer.
Carpenter was a good pick but I don't know about the first round price.

I just feel like we passed on opportunities to really bolster the O-Line and Offense.

This is a joke post right?

Simply mind-boggling.

 

[DLCassidy]

talk to summer - he's told me i'm wrong time and time again in the last few days alone. then he's been trying to "educate" me and i must preface my opinions by saying they're my opinions for when the obvious just isn't enough. why? cause bp has all the info. burmford too. they've both told me i'm wrong and quite vocally. so yea, i've been vocal in return. : )

it's how i roll and stuff.

It's ok for them to tell you you're wrong and it's ok for you to tell them the same- that's not the same as anyone begrudging your right to a differing opinion, which IMO noone does.

 

[Qwickdraw]

This is a joke post right?

Simply mind-boggling.

It's easy to boggle a small mind.

 

[MONT17]

I cant wait for the day when a NFL TEAM comes out and says..."We blew it" every guy the boys drafted were not on OUR list!

come on what else is he going to say?



So I guess this draft only had like 3 OL that the boys liked and the rest will be useless... the last I checked the Cowboys signed FABINI RIVERA and KOSIER... not because they wanted to because they had to...


this scouting dep. obviously cant scout OL talent!!! First sticking this team with Jacob Rogers and guys like Peterman now coming up with the RANCH HEADS theme 'there are NO OL we want!!!' well considering that there were only about 10 OL on NFL.com that didnt get drafted, something doesnt fit...


Now... do u wanna take the word of 1 Team that hasnt drafted an above average OL in about 8 years or 31 other teams that drafted any and every OL available in the 06 draft!

8 years!


I think they need to get some SCOUTS who can find some OL!





BTW

TOP 4 Punt Returners 2005 by Returns

Mark Jones
Alvin Pearman
Chad Morton
Antonio Chatman

any of those guys 4th round picks? not sure but I dont think so!

Even REGGIE SWINTON had a nice year returning punts and he used to work for UPS, right?





sad

 

[Alexander]

So I guess this draft only had like 3 OL that the boys liked and the rest will be useless... the last I checked the Cowboys signed FABINI RIVERA and KOSIER... not because they wanted to because they had to...

What?

We signed all of these players before the drafts we supposedly screwed up. We signed them so we wouldn't be desperate and have to draft OL in the first few rounds. It's called flexibility and having options, all the smart teams do it.

this scouting dep. obviously cant scout OL talent!!! First sticking this team with Jacob Rogers and guys like Peterman now coming up with the RANCH HEADS theme 'there are NO OL we want!!!' well considering that there were only about 10 OL on NFL.com that didnt get drafted, something doesnt fit...

Name a team that hits on all it's OL draft picks? Sure, we have had some busts like Rogers, but again, the comments were now everyone is on the same page, coach and scouts. And that NFL.com list, yes, that is a great way to gauge how your team did.

TOP 4 Punt Returners 2005 by Returns

Mark Jones
Alvin Pearman
Chad Morton
Antonio Chatman

any of those guys 4th round picks? not sure but I dont think so!

Even REGGIE SWINTON had a nice year returning punts and he used to work for UPS, right?





sad

What's sad is that for people like you, who want to continually complain, if Dallas had brought in some fellow to return punts who was driving a cement truck last week, you would have something to say about that as well.

 

[burmafrd]

just add mont to the ignore list.

 

[MONT17]

lol the RANCH HEADS are always right!!! I bet 90% of the teams have not signed 2 starting OG in the last 2 offseasons... that tells me they cant draft OLmen!!!!


they say that NO OL in the draft was worth Drafting (your words)... while only 10 OL go undrafted! well some was worthy of being drafted!

they havent drafted an above average OL in 8 years... that tells me they cant draft OL!



oh well maybe I'm wrong... 8 years is not an indication of the BOYS not drafting OL well!!!!

 

[chinch]

It's easy to boggle a small mind.

i'll take your word as it seems to have first-hand knowledge about that

 

[Zippy Speedster]

Happy with the pick of Fasano, period, the end. I hope some of the others prove me wrong. And the only other one worth mentioning was bought for too high. Carpenter and everyone benefiting with him are laughing to the bank. Low 1st, high 2nd round talent at best, not mid 1st, that's just crazy. He has every much a chance of being nothing without Hawk as it does at suceeding. Even with Hawk, I think the Packers were crazy to draft him so high. Upper to mid 1st round picks, especially on defense, should be players who at very least made a name for themselves, by themselves, imo- and really so when it's within the front 7 on defense. Two linebackers who played off one another- who, huh, what, can anybody really say one concrete thing about either player standing on their own accord? That's a 'ballsy' move though, if we were going to go that route why not show some true brass and make a half-leap up through the round to grab Matt Leinhart. Otherwise trade down and pick up some picks for a possible repeat of last year's draft, next year. Very little excitment to be had in the first round this year and we wound up at one of the least oportune spots for such a draft. Trading down or "going for the gold" really were our only options and we did niether and then some by reaching for the guy we got. Fasana though helps us in two immediate need areas, blocking help up front and injects some more youth into our recieving corps. In reality he's more prototypical of what we should have been aiming for in round one...ie. someone who can come right in and make a noticable difference in multiple facets of our game. Carpenter is not even guarenteed a starting spot. However, Fasano, doesn't even need that starting spot to bring to us what he's goinig to bring to us. Like I said, we should've just 'went for the gold'...or nothing. Leinhart would have been perfect to come in here and learn off Bledsoe for a year or two then we have our possible quarterback for years to come. And chill you guys, don't need 'The Henroids and His Fab Five Thousand Boyfriends' beating down my door because they misconstrued that I wanted a better quarterback prospect. I mean no guys, I want the worst quarterback our money can buy, just like you. Go Henson, yay....................... :zzz:

 

[big dog cowboy]

And the only other one worth mentioning was bought for too high. Carpenter and everyone benefiting with him are laughing to the bank. Low 1st, high 2nd round talent at best, not mid 1st, that's just crazy.

Well, there were many worth mentioning. However my main comment has to do with Carpenter. If healthy, you do know he would have likely been taken around 10-12 don't you. We were fortunate to get him. Had he stayed healthy, we would have not got him.