Amy Dash: The NFL Prosecuted & Convicted Ezekiel Elliott, Will The 2nd Circuit Allow It?

[ActualCowboysFan]

Bull.

She claimed that he yanked her out of her car and assaulted her. 6 witnesses said that was not true. And she is STILL claiming that it happened.

The NFL hired two quack doctors that would give them the answers they wanted with regards to the bruising in the pictures that *Thompson* sent to the NFL that were dated the 18th. Not only can metadata being changed, untraced...but Kessler brought a foremost authority on bruises and stated that essentially the doctors' claims were hogwash. One of the doctors ended up admitting that the expert was right. The other doctor lied and said she could not testify because she was going to be hospitalized for a surgery and that turned out to be a lie as she was at home all day. Also the numerous eyewitnesses, some of which had only ties to Thompson and not Elliott...claimed they saw no bruises on her from the week of June 15 thru the 21st. In fact, a co-worker stated that he saw her personally in a bikini that week and she had no bruises on her. She also claimed her best friend since 6th grade would vouch for having a facetime conversation with her and seeing the bruises. This friend told the NFL that was a *lie* and it never happened and she did not trust Thompson anymore.

It's not a case of Thompson claiming that Elliott assaulted her and she didn't have enough evidence to bring this forth for an arrest. It's a case of her accusing him of assault and numerous pieces of evidence, along with eyewitnesses that included *her* friends and co-workers have all stated that what she claimed happened did not occur.

So yes, we DO KNOW THAT HE DID NOT ASSAULT HER. Pretending otherwise to hedge your bets or in fear of possibly being viewed by some nitwit as somebody that somehow supports domestic violence is what has caused this mess to begin with.

If the situation was reversed and it was Elliott that had all of these witnesses that said he did it and had texts of extorting her with a sex tape and had texts of him trying to get his friends to lie to police...we wouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt. But, because Thompson is a female people like yourself just can't call a spade a spade and say...yes, she lied about the entire thing and she cannot be trusted.




YR

And she failed to notify the police until she made up an accusation. She apparently didn't mention other incidents to the police on site. She also failed to mention some of the incidents Zeke is suspended for in interviews with Roberts that weren't transcribed.

The NFL failed to interview the other participant in the fight. Despite its importance to Zeke's defense, they supplemented their failure to interview the other fighter with the added bonus of calling all the other witnesses unreliable even though they included police officers.

As we discussed in the immediate aftermath of the suspension, their advisors claiming that she was both a witness and a victim and claiming that the fight could not have been responsible for bruising are serious hallmarks of a failed investigation. Solid, evidence backed conclusions don't require spin and outrigt lies. Hack jobs do though.

 

[CCBoy]

We do know that Elliott never assaulted Tiffany Thompson. Stop giving her the benefit of the doubt when she has consistently been proven to have lied with eyewitnesses that witnesses those lies and those eyewitnesses include her best friend since 6th grade, her best college friend, law enforcement, co-workers, etc.

If we had called it like it is then there would be enough outrage that Goodell would have never suspended him.






YR

Benedict Arnold tried to get away with the letter of the law.

 

[CCBoy]

Bull.

She claimed that he yanked her out of her car and assaulted her. 6 witnesses said that was not true. And she is STILL claiming that it happened.

The NFL hired two quack doctors that would give them the answers they wanted with regards to the bruising in the pictures that *Thompson* sent to the NFL that were dated the 18th. Not only can metadata being changed, untraced...but Kessler brought a foremost authority on bruises and stated that essentially the doctors' claims were hogwash. One of the doctors ended up admitting that the expert was right. The other doctor lied and said she could not testify because she was going to be hospitalized for a surgery and that turned out to be a lie as she was at home all day. Also the numerous eyewitnesses, some of which had only ties to Thompson and not Elliott...claimed they saw no bruises on her from the week of June 15 thru the 21st. In fact, a co-worker stated that he saw her personally in a bikini that week and she had no bruises on her. She also claimed her best friend since 6th grade would vouch for having a facetime conversation with her and seeing the bruises. This friend told the NFL that was a *lie* and it never happened and she did not trust Thompson anymore.

It's not a case of Thompson claiming that Elliott assaulted her and she didn't have enough evidence to bring this forth for an arrest. It's a case of her accusing him of assault and numerous pieces of evidence, along with eyewitnesses that included *her* friends and co-workers have all stated that what she claimed happened did not occur.

So yes, we DO KNOW THAT HE DID NOT ASSAULT HER. Pretending otherwise to hedge your bets or in fear of possibly being viewed by some nitwit as somebody that somehow supports domestic violence is what has caused this mess to begin with.

If the situation was reversed and it was Elliott that had all of these witnesses that said he did it and had texts of extorting her with a sex tape and had texts of him trying to get his friends to lie to police...we wouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt. But, because Thompson is a female people like yourself just can't call a spade a spade and say...yes, she lied about the entire thing and she cannot be trusted.




YR

lol, your observations are only the truth, but compared to an unethical protector of privilege...the NFL.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And she failed to notify the police until she made up an accusation. She apparently didn't mention other incidents to the police on site. She also failed to mention some of the incidents Zeke is suspended for in interviews with Roberts that weren't transcribed.

The NFL failed to interview the other participant in the fight. Despite its importance to Zeke's defense, they supplemented their failure to interview the other fighter with the added bonus of calling all the other witnesses unreliable even though they included police officers.

As we discussed in the immediate aftermath of the suspension, their advisors claiming that she was both a witness and a victim and claiming that the fight could not have been responsible for bruising are serious hallmarks of a failed investigation. Solid, evidence backed conclusions don't require spin and outrigt lies. Hack jobs do though.

And what's crazy is that she is STILL lying about the incident on the 21st. The NFL has admitted that she lied about the incident and tried to get her friend to lie. But, they failed to mention that Thompson has came to them and is STILL telling the same lie.

If this was any other type of case or if the roles were reversed, the people involved would not be granted credibility and we would be saying that it didn't happen.

The only way to start to prevent this from happening again is to educate writers like this and then hold their feet to the fire. When a person has clearly not done something, they deserve to be viewed as such...not some trying to hedge your bets in fear of being labeled as a mysogynist.








YR

 

[Nova]

This is exactly what I've been saying for a while. This isn't a typical player rule violation punishment the NFL is trying to enforce. This is them publicly convicting Elliott of a crime, while our legal system declined to even charge him due to questionable or non-existent evidence. Whether allowed by the CBA or not, the NFL has greatly overstepped their authority because this goes well beyond the NFL and affects Elliott's life outside football. In other words, just because a player is a member of a union that negotiated a CBA with their employer does not mean that employer (aka: corporation) has unilateral power to rule over aspects of a player's life beyond football.

This is not a case of a failed drug test suspension leading to a subsequent impact outside of work (football). This is literally the NFL choosing to publicly convict someone for their own profit. This would be no different than your employer writing an article for a newspaper or magazine about you saying you abuse women, and of course they cannot have a woman beater working for their company, so they fired you, without any evidence. That is the very essence of defamation of character. When you consider the NFL's motivation for convicting Elliott is their own financial benefit, the legal mess they are creating just gets worse and worse.

Precisely.

It may not stand legally, but this is exactly why the Brady and Zeke case are vastly different.

Levying a penalty against someone for breaking the law is different from breaking a league rule-- Especially when it comes to one as heinous as Domestic Violence.

Regardless of what the players union signed off on, this seems like something a private organization shouldn't be able to do.



Separately, I saw a FWST article recently saying Zeke and Jerry deserved this because of the CBA.

I find that fundamentally unfair considering Elliott wasn't even in the league when the deal was struck.

And since the NFL has a monopoly on football, it's not like he really has a choice but to agree.

 

[Verdict]

Precisely.

It may not stand legally, but this is exactly why the Brady and Zeke case are vastly different.

Levying a penalty against someone for breaking the law is different from breaking a league rule-- Especially when it comes to one as heinous as Domestic Violence.

Regardless of what the players union signed off on, this seems like something a private organization shouldn't be able to do.



Separately, I saw a FWST article recently saying Zeke and Jerry deserved this because of the CBA.

I find that fundamentally unfair considering Elliott wasn't even in the league when the deal was struck.

And since the NFL has a monopoly on football, it's not like he really has a choice but to agree.

In my opinion I think you guys are a little bit off base. While there is a difference between the cases, the significant differences in the conduct of each party is probably not legally significant. The league can probably discipline for almost anything it wants to do.

The biggest difference between the Brady case and Zeke's case is that in Zeke's case there is a denial of due process. Brady's lawyers seemed to attack the disputed facts (which is an almost unwinnable proposition). The Zeke lawyers have focused more on attacking the process, which gives Zeke a better chance to prevail.

 

[MRV52]

This is exactly what I've been saying for a while. This isn't a typical player rule violation punishment the NFL is trying to enforce. This is them publicly convicting Elliott of a crime, while our legal system declined to even charge him due to questionable or non-existent evidence. Whether allowed by the CBA or not, the NFL has greatly overstepped their authority because this goes well beyond the NFL and affects Elliott's life outside football. In other words, just because a player is a member of a union that negotiated a CBA with their employer does not mean that employer (aka: corporation) has unilateral power to rule over aspects of a player's life beyond football.

This is not a case of a failed drug test suspension leading to a subsequent impact outside of work (football). This is literally the NFL choosing to publicly convict someone for their own profit. This would be no different than your employer writing an article for a newspaper or magazine about you saying you abuse women, and of course they cannot have a woman beater working for their company, so they fired you, without any evidence. That is the very essence of defamation of character. When you consider the NFL's motivation for convicting Elliott is their own financial benefit, the legal mess they are creating just gets worse and worse.

Well said!!!

 

[Risen Star]

We do know that Elliott never assaulted Tiffany Thompson. Stop giving her the benefit of the doubt when she has consistently been proven to have lied with eyewitnesses that witnesses those lies and those eyewitnesses include her best friend since 6th grade, her best college friend, law enforcement, co-workers, etc.

If we had called it like it is then there would be enough outrage that Goodell would have never suspended him.






YR

You're the reason why women have to march every year against their oppression.

 

[Risen Star]

The problem is that because this has garnered so much attention, Elliott has already suffered significant financial impact from the NFL's own criminal court system. Look at the deals Prescott has been signing since his great year last year. Elliott would have been doing the same had this not happened. I cannot see Elliott letting this go if he is truly innocent.

The damage is done. Nobody is going to care whether he serves a suspension or not. The headline "Ezekiel Elliott suspended for domestic violence" has been in print. There will be those that believe him and those that don't and no court ruling is going to change anyone's opinion on it. His character and reputation have been forever tainted by this.

 

[Risen Star]

I just wish the liar gave an even more outlandish story. Like say Zeke headbutted her in anger and she still exists.

 

[Reality]

The damage is done. Nobody is going to care whether he serves a suspension or not. The headline "Ezekiel Elliott suspended for domestic violence" has been in print. There will be those that believe him and those that don't and no court ruling is going to change anyone's opinion on it. His character and reputation have been forever tainted by this.

I have said as much, which is why I think he has no choice but to go after the NFL financially regardless of how this turns out with his suspension.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think he has no choice but to go after the NFL financially regardless of how this turns out with his suspension.

Could I please be on that jury?

 

[DandyDon52]

I could be wrong, but this three man panel that is coming is only going to decide two things.
1. can get Goodell suspend Elliott even if Elliott is contesting it .
and
2.should the suspension start now or after all legal proceedings have concluded.
I think the decision will be yes Goodell can suspend Elliott and the suspension will start now, not after all legal proceedings have concluded.
Legal proceedings could go on for years ,so I don't see them allowing Elliott to keep playing or avoid the suspension.
this is a three-judge panel not a standard Court with a judge.

So the suspension will start the following week and Elliot could continue the legal proceedings after that.

 

[Seven]

The damage is done. Nobody is going to care whether he serves a suspension or not. The headline "Ezekiel Elliott suspended for domestic violence" has been in print. There will be those that believe him and those that don't and no court ruling is going to change anyone's opinion on it. His character and reputation have been forever tainted by this.

But will be worse if the NFL is allowed to place their stamp on it, as false as it is. This is way beyond DV, it got lost in the shuffle, this is the NFL choosing the wrong situation and failing epically. Now their in it up to their necks and can't find a way to exit gracefully.

Good luck NFL.....and thanks for ruining a young man's name in your process.

This is what happens when you place a buffoon in charge and pay him 40 million a year....... he doesn't care and he's rich enough not to.

 

[Bullflop]

What the fiasco regarding Ezekiel Elliott proves is that the NFL's owners and Goodell can't be trusted to look out for the welfare of their players.

It's a sorely self-serving policy that they would prefer to blame their own membership and falsely pose as an administrator of justice in their many wrongful attempts to appear blameless.

The hypocrisy that the NFL has foolishly displayed to a discerning public merely thwarts their vain attempts to appear conscientious. What they don't seem to realize in the end is that they're foolishly alienating their own fans. It's sad how otherwise smart men can be so blind.

 

[xwalker]

What the fiasco regarding Ezekiel Elliott proves is that the NFL's owners and Goodell can't be trusted to look out for the welfare of their players.

It's a sorely self-serving policy that they would prefer to blame their own membership and falsely pose as an administrator of justice in their many wrongful attempts to appear blameless.

The hypocrisy that the NFL has foolishly displayed to a discerning public merely thwarts their vain attempts to appear conscientious. What they don't seem to realize in the end is that they're foolishly alienating their own fans. It's sad how otherwise smart men can be so blind.

In the past I've been on the side of the owners that built their businesses over players that were getting paid millions starting around age 21; however, now I'm much more on the side of the players.

 

[Dorsett33]

This is exactly what I've been saying for a while. This isn't a typical player rule violation punishment the NFL is trying to enforce. This is them publicly convicting Elliott of a crime, while our legal system declined to even charge him due to questionable or non-existent evidence. Whether allowed by the CBA or not, the NFL has greatly overstepped their authority because this goes well beyond the NFL and affects Elliott's life outside football. In other words, just because a player is a member of a union that negotiated a CBA with their employer does not mean that employer (aka: corporation) has unilateral power to rule over aspects of a player's life beyond football.

This is not a case of a failed drug test suspension leading to a subsequent impact outside of work (football). This is literally the NFL choosing to publicly convict someone for their own profit. This would be no different than your employer writing an article for a newspaper or magazine about you saying you abuse women, and of course they cannot have a woman beater working for their company, so they fired you, without any evidence. That is the very essence of defamation of character. When you consider the NFL's motivation for convicting Elliott is their own financial benefit, the legal mess they are creating just gets worse and worse.

Exactly!

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

What the fiasco regarding Ezekiel Elliott proves is that the NFL's owners and Goodell can't be trusted to look out for the welfare of their players.

It's a sorely self-serving policy that they would prefer to blame their own membership and falsely pose as an administrator of justice in their many wrongful attempts to appear blameless.

The hypocrisy that the NFL has foolishly displayed to a discerning public merely thwarts their vain attempts to appear conscientious. What they don't seem to realize in the end is that they're foolishly alienating their own fans. It's sad how otherwise smart men can be so blind.

The NFL thinks they are untouchable. That nothing can hurt their brand. Just keep all this up and we'll see.

 

[landroverking]

We don't KNOW that he never assaulted her, that's a crazy thing to say.

The point of this whole mess isn't innocence vs guilt, it's about the NFL acting like a court system without any of the rigor and objectivity of an actual court system.

Everything the NFL does, in terms of discipline, that isn't explicitly defined in the CBA is completely arbitrary and void of consistency. That is a problem.

Right after the Ray Rice thing, I knew the players and fans screwed themselves because they gave Goodell the green light to ignore past cases and decide a punishment based on public emotion rather than precedent and process. Court systems don't rule based on emotion.

It should have been on the Ravens to cut him, fine him, etc.

That's right we may never know.
What is known is it happened before he was in the NFL.
The question for me has always been, how the CBA can be enforced on someone who wasn't under contract at the time.
If he had been convicted in a court of law
that might be a different story.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yeah they'll get away with it.

They already are basically.

I don't see anything changing.