Amy Dash: The NFL Prosecuted & Convicted Ezekiel Elliott, Will The 2nd Circuit Allow It?

[TheSkaven]

The problem is that because this has garnered so much attention, Elliott has already suffered significant financial impact from the NFL's own criminal court system. Look at the deals Prescott has been signing since his great year last year. Elliott would have been doing the same had this not happened. I cannot see Elliott letting this go if he is truly innocent.

Exactly. And if, by some chance, he does win and get the suspension repealed, I’d expect to see a civil suit against the NFL seeking damages.

It’s important to remember though that Zeke’s case is predicated upon not being able to call someone to testify and therefore not getting a fair arbitration hearing. The likely result, if Zeke “wins” his case, is that she’s called and they make the decision again - very well the same 6-game suspension.

 

[rynochop]

That's right we may never know.
What is known is it happened before he was in the NFL.
The question for me has always been, how the CBA can be enforced on someone who wasn't under contract at the time.
If he had been convicted in a court of law
that might be a different story.

Yeah, I'd like to hear this Amy Dashs opinion on that. Guess it depends on the wording in the CBA

 

[Kevinicus]

Yeah, I'd like to hear this Amy Dashs opinion on that. Guess it depends on the wording in the CBA

Players are under the CBA when they enter the draft. And I believe he had signed at that point as well.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

That's right we may never know.
What is known is it happened before he was in the NFL.
The question for me has always been, how the CBA can be enforced on someone who wasn't under contract at the time.
If he had been convicted in a court of law
that might be a different story.

Again, we do know. 6 eye witnesses saw that she was not abused on the 21st which she claimed happened. 1 eyewitness, her friend, showed a text in her sworn affidavit showing Tiffany Thompson asking her to lie to police about the incident.

Thompson also brought forth 7 other witnesses that she claimed would vouch for her. The only 1 that did was Thompson's aunt...who never saw her being actually abused. The other witnesses all said the same thing...whatever story Thompson told was a lie and nobody believes anything she says anymore. This included friends like her best friend since 6th grade as well as co-workers.

Stating that 'we may never know' is a double standard and just a safe way to not insult those irrational people that cannot come to grips with the fact that women do lie about being assaulted. This despite the studies show that about 10% of *rape* claims are false or baseless accusations. I would imagine that assault claims have an even higher percentage. And it's the same type of thinking that the NFL used in its 'guilty until proven innocent' investigation.

The CBA basically states that once a player is drafted that they are under the NFL conduct policy. So that's why EE is subject to a suspension. What's somewhat unfortunate for EE is that she accused him of assaulting her in February 2016, prior to the draft in Ft. Lauderdale. However, the police officer that came to the scene testified that there were no marks, scratches or bruises on either Thompson or Elliott and that Thompson started giggling when he questioned her and Elliott. And in the end, the officer found Thompson to not be credible. It wasn't until later that the officer saw Elliott on TV and saw that he had an assault claim against him from Thompson that the officer called the Cowboys to notify them of the incident that happened in Ft. Lauderdale. The Cowboys told the officer to call the NFL office and they took down his information and never contacted him again.

Since the Ft. Lauderdale incident was prior to the draft, the NFL never investigated that incident. But it may have cleared Elliott if the investigation looked at the Ft. Lauderdale incident and found that Thompson was again, not credible in the eyes of law enforcement. Well...that is unless we keep using the lame reasoning that 'we may never know what happened.'





YR

 

[Kevinicus]

Again, we do know. 6 eye witnesses saw that she was not abused on the 21st which she claimed happened. 1 eyewitness, her friend, showed a text in her sworn affidavit showing Tiffany Thompson asking her to lie to police about the incident.

Thompson also brought forth 7 other witnesses that she claimed would vouch for her. The only 1 that did was Thompson's aunt...who never saw her being actually abused. The other witnesses all said the same thing...whatever story Thompson told was a lie and nobody believes anything she says anymore. This included friends like her best friend since 6th grade as well as co-workers.

Stating that 'we may never know' is a double standard and just a safe way to not insult those irrational people that cannot come to grips with the fact that women do lie about being assaulted. This despite the studies show that about 10% of *rape* claims are false or baseless accusations. I would imagine that assault claims have an even higher percentage. And it's the same type of thinking that the NFL used in its 'guilty until proven innocent' investigation.

The CBA basically states that once a player is drafted that they are under the NFL conduct policy. So that's why EE is subject to a suspension. What's somewhat unfortunate for EE is that she accused him of assaulting her in February 2016, prior to the draft in Ft. Lauderdale. However, the police officer that came to the scene testified that there were no marks, scratches or bruises on either Thompson or Elliott and that Thompson started giggling when he questioned her and Elliott. And in the end, the officer found Thompson to not be credible. It wasn't until later that the officer saw Elliott on TV and saw that he had an assault claim against him from Thompson that the officer called the Cowboys to notify them of the incident that happened in Ft. Lauderdale. The Cowboys told the officer to call the NFL office and they took down his information and never contacted him again.

Since the Ft. Lauderdale incident was prior to the draft, the NFL never investigated that incident. But it may have cleared Elliott if the investigation looked at the Ft. Lauderdale incident and found that Thompson was again, not credible in the eyes of law enforcement. Well...that is unless we keep using the lame reasoning that 'we may never know what happened.'





YR

What we *know* is that she is a liar. We know she lied. We know she asked others to lie. We know there is no credible evidence supporting what she said. We know there is no reason to believe anything she says about anything without a lot of corroborating evidence in support of it.

What we don't know is that Zeke never did anything. We have no reason to believe he did, but we do not know it.

Having no reason to believe something, or believing that something is extremely likely to be true, is not the same thing as knowing.

 

[roughneck266]

Bull.

She claimed that he yanked her out of her car and assaulted her. 6 witnesses said that was not true. And she is STILL claiming that it happened.

The NFL hired two quack doctors that would give them the answers they wanted with regards to the bruising in the pictures that *Thompson* sent to the NFL that were dated the 18th. Not only can metadata being changed, untraced...but Kessler brought a foremost authority on bruises and stated that essentially the doctors' claims were hogwash. One of the doctors ended up admitting that the expert was right. The other doctor lied and said she could not testify because she was going to be hospitalized for a surgery and that turned out to be a lie as she was at home all day. Also the numerous eyewitnesses, some of which had only ties to Thompson and not Elliott...claimed they saw no bruises on her from the week of June 15 thru the 21st. In fact, a co-worker stated that he saw her personally in a bikini that week and she had no bruises on her. She also claimed her best friend since 6th grade would vouch for having a facetime conversation with her and seeing the bruises. This friend told the NFL that was a *lie* and it never happened and she did not trust Thompson anymore.

It's not a case of Thompson claiming that Elliott assaulted her and she didn't have enough evidence to bring this forth for an arrest. It's a case of her accusing him of assault and numerous pieces of evidence, along with eyewitnesses that included *her* friends and co-workers have all stated that what she claimed happened did not occur.

So yes, we DO KNOW THAT HE DID NOT ASSAULT HER. Pretending otherwise to hedge your bets or in fear of possibly being viewed by some nitwit as somebody that somehow supports domestic violence is what has caused this mess to begin with.

If the situation was reversed and it was Elliott that had all of these witnesses that said he did it and had texts of extorting her with a sex tape and had texts of him trying to get his friends to lie to police...we wouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt. But, because Thompson is a female people like yourself just can't call a spade a spade and say...yes, she lied about the entire thing and she cannot be trusted.




YR

Well said.

 

[DandyDon1722]

They decided that they would make an example of Zeke no matter what the evidence. I really wish we could find a email or something like that stating it. Wouldn't it be fun to see the NFL try to explain THAT?

While there may not be a smoking gun email - there is a smoking gun "altering of documents" which I believe is worse - it not criminal. The NFL office tired to "white out" the lead investigators titled opinion that there was no evidence of DV - and they got caught doing it!

 

[big dog cowboy]

The NFL thinks they are untouchable. That nothing can hurt their brand. Just keep all this up and we'll see.

They do! Their brand is already hurting. Most owners already know that.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

My cougar crush is Stacey Dash:

 

[xwalker]

You've missed my point entirely.

I am not saying he assaulted her, I'm saying you can't KNOW that he NEVER did.

I understand your point but the 1 incident is what this is really all about, not his entire relationship with her.

It seems fairly obvious that he was not guilty of the 1 incident based on witnesses.

 

[LocimusPrime]

In the end, the NFL will prevail. Everyone agreed on the cba. U know what you signed up for even though it's bs.

You want a better deal, negotiate it next time.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

In the end, the NFL will prevail. Everyone agreed on the cba. U know what you signed up for even though it's bs.

You want a better deal, negotiate it next time.

The policy he's being suspended over wasn't part of the CBA so it wasn't negotiated and multiple judges have disagreed with the notion that the CBA permits the process the NFL took to suspend Zeke.

 

[LocimusPrime]

The policy he's being suspended over wasn't part of the CBA so it wasn't negotiated and multiple judges have disagreed with the notion that the CBA permits the process the NFL took to suspend Zeke.

Thanks for info bro...I was under the assumption that the cba and anything in it had to be agreed by NFL and nflpa

 

[LocimusPrime]

My cougar crush is Stacey Dash:

Hi stacy

 

[Nightman]

Thanks for info bro...I was under the assumption that the cba and anything in it had to be agreed by NFL and nflpa

He's correct......the DV Policy is not in the CBA....... it was voted in by an Owner's vote in 2015 after the RRice fiasco..... the NFLPA protested at the time to deaf ears

And even if they agreed to something in the CBA the NFL still has to live up to their end of the bargain
They don't get carte blanche to make things up as they go...... they have to follow precedent and fairness guidelines

 

[LocimusPrime]

He's correct......the DV Policy is not in the CBA....... it was voted in by an Owner's vote in 2015 after the RRice fiasco..... the NFLPA protested at the time to deaf ears

And even if they agreed to something in the CBA the NFL still has to live up to their end of the bargain
They don't get carte blanche to make things up as they go...... they have to follow precedent and fairness guidelines

So Zekes gonna win then huh?

 

[Nightman]

So Zekes gonna win then huh?

Not by a longshot...... it all depends on what Judge they get...... with Mazzant he was a winner...... with Failia he is a loser and he still has Failia even if he gets the injunction next week

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What we *know* is that she is a liar. We know she lied. We know she asked others to lie. We know there is no credible evidence supporting what she said. We know there is no reason to believe anything she says about anything without a lot of corroborating evidence in support of it.

What we don't know is that Zeke never did anything. We have no reason to believe he did, but we do not know it.

Having no reason to believe something, or believing that something is extremely likely to be true, is not the same thing as knowing.

This is the same screwy logic that the NFL used when they said that Thompson was an eyewitness to her own accusation.

By this same logic I could accuse you of assaulting me and that can be proven to be a lie and then we can still say that we don't know what happened between you and I,

Being innocent until proven guilty is an international guideline used by every country involved with NATO. It is designed as a civil liberty for humans around the world. When somebody says we will never know what happened in a case like this where Elliott has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt his innocence it is just circumventing that idea of being innocent until proven guilty. It is just a way for people to hedge their bets so they don't insult anybody but it actually accomplishes nothing except for doing the falsely accused wrong.





YR

 

[Kevinicus]

This is the same screwy logic that the NFL used when they said that Thompson was an eyewitness to her own accusation.

By this same logic I could accuse you of assaulting me and that can be proven to be a lie and then we can still say that we don't know what happened between you and I,

Being innocent until proven guilty is an international guideline used by every country involved with NATO. It is designed as a civil liberty for humans around the world. When somebody says we will never know what happened in a case like this where Elliott has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt his innocence it is just circumventing that idea of being innocent until proven guilty. It is just a way for people to hedge their bets so they don't insult anybody but it actually accomplishes nothing except for doing the falsely accused wrong.





YR

No, that is how logic works.

Your logic is faulty...completely.
You think lying about one or several things is the same as lying about EVERYTHING. That is poor logic.

You were conflating likely and think with know.

 

[loublue22]

nvm