An allpro WR that wants to be traded that no one is talking about

[Hostile]

Torry wants to go to Carolina and play with his brother Terence. They are Carolina born and bred.

I'd love it if this happened though.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

There are too many factors to keep him from coming to Dallas: 1. Rams will not let him leave, unless he attempts to force a trade. 2. Doesn't want to go anywhere except Carolina. 3. It would cost Dallas too much for an over-the-hill (in NFL terms) receiver. 4. He has his championship and has been to another. I know he'd probably like another, but that box has been checked off on his career resume.

I just don't see this happening.

As far as Colston, he is not worth a 1st and a 3rd. Maybe a 2nd, but not a 1 and 3. I agree with another on this thread who said the Aints will give him his money. He did have a down season last year, but so did Brees. Will be neat to see if Payton can turn them around.

 

[dbair1967]

I think people should come to grips with reality here, we're going with what we have. And that isnt such a bad thing, we were the 2nd best offense in football all last yr right up until Romo and Owens got hurt. It's very reasonable to expect the young guys we do have to be better as well, and if Glenn can play we're even ahead of what we were last yr.

Now if something bad were to happen to Owens during TC or preseason, I could see Jones making a desperation move and trading alot to get a proven WR, but otherwise...other than maybe backup QB, we're going with what we have peeps

David

 

[dueyhemlock]

Colston (restricted in 09) or Roy Williams (very possibly franchised in 09). Pick your poison because they both will cost picks.. 1&3 vs 2#1's .. WOW

I prefer homegrown, so lets keep our fingers crossed on our young bucks to step it up.

 

[Sandyf]

Personally, I would like to see what Hurd, Austin, Stanback and Jefferson do the first 10 days of training camp before we make a trade for any WR.

If they are anywhere near as good as a host of writers and fans are making them out to be then I don't want to expend a draft choice especially a high one on a WR when we could parlay possibly our 1st and 2nd next year into Michael Crabtree.

If they don't show well and I mean very well, then I could see something happening but my bet still would be on Roy Williams.

 

[dueyhemlock]

Hey, isn't Crabtree a top 5 pick? If we are in the bottom of the 1st round, that will take alot of ammo to move up. Maybe more than the restricted or franchised players that might be available.

 

[Hostile]

Colston (restricted in 09) or Roy Williams (very possibly franchised in 09). Pick your poison because they both will cost picks.. 1&3 vs 2#1's .. WOW

I prefer homegrown, so lets keep our fingers crossed on our young bucks to step it up.

Detroit isn't going to Franchise Tag Roy Williams.

 

[dueyhemlock]

I don't Hostile. They might do it to see if he gets any interest from other teams and maybe remove the offer (tag) at a later date if no team is interested.

 

[dueyhemlock]

Also, why let a proven player just walk and not get nothing in return. I know (Millen) . If thats the case then they should move him this year. Come on, let it be so. I'm buying!

 

[iceberg]

At the time, Galloway was a good addition to the squad too.

Paid for that mistake with two first rounders.

No way does Jerry go after Colston with a great projected draft class coming out.

wrong.

how many 1st round WR's live up to that pick? not many. 1 in 2? anyone know off the top of your heads what the success rate of a 1st round WR pick in the NFL is?

2008 - No WRs in round 1.
2007 - calvin johnson, jury out but looks good; ted ginn, jr, anyone give up a 1st for him?; d bowe; robert meacham and anthony gonzales. of that list i'd say gonzales is doing well, calvin johnson is still thought to "be worthy", but the rest? hit miss still too soon. so possible 2 of 5 so far someone may spend a 1st rounder for?
2006 - santonio holmes. that's it. 0-1?
2005 - braylon edwards, to be sure; troy williamson, already on 2nd team; matt jones, other than stash, anyone want him? stash won't even at a 1st or even 4th round pick i imagine. mark clayton? roddy white? 1-5?
2004 - fitzgerald; roy williams; reggie williams; michael clayton; jenkins and woods; 2 of 6?
2003 - rogers; b johnson; 0-2
2002 - stallworth; lelie; walker; 0-3
2001 - terrell, koren robinson, gardner, moss, f mitchell, r wayne. 1-6? (wayne to be sure)
2000 - warrick; burress; taylor, morris; soward. 1-5 (burress)

so, since the 2000 draft, 28 WRs were drafted. the only criteria i'm focused on now is would they be picked in the 1st round again or offered a 1st rounder in trade.

7.

7 of 28 WRs drafted in this decade in my mind could be arguably still a 1st round pick or still hold a 1st round value. that's 25% of the picks in the end for WRs in this decade wound up being worth that pick.

my point here is i don't care how taunted and hyped a WR class is, in this decade you're batting 25% (maybe just in my mind anyway) on getting 1st round value for that pick.

now if i could get get coulston for a 1st and 3rd? you know what you got and you know the kid can play. take 'em and let's go.

that's why if roy were a 1st and 3rd it's a no brainder.

the real question is the value of the WR overall. but if you wanna go down the "they're not worth a 1st round pick" then fine. i can see that to a point but i see it headed to philly-thought where you just get a lot of 2's and 3's WR's and pretend it's enough.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Holt isn't the receiver for Dallas.. I think he's a heck of a player but he probably would like to end up in Carolina.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Colston was a wonderful find for the Saints but he isn't worth a #1 & #3.

He doesn't have the speed to be a deep threat.

 

[iceberg]

Colston was a wonderful find for the Saints but he isn't worth a #1 & #3.

He doesn't have the speed to be a deep threat.

does TO? did Irvin?

i think people get a virtual supersized boner for speed and forget it's just one aspect of the position.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Holt may want out but when Bruce was let go that all but assured that Holt wont be leaving. No way are they getting rid of Bruce and Holt in the same offseason. They'd be totally cutting Bulgers legs out from under him in the passing game.

Colston I'd be THRILLED to have and probably would be able to get him for a 1 and a 3. I don't think I'd complain to much about that cause I look at it like this. We're likely to be picking very late in round one this coming year, if all goes well, and Colston will be head and shoulders better than any rookie we could bring in late in round one from the draft.

I wouldn't complain about a move for Colston at all. But I doubt he'll be available. While they're digging in their heels right now by the end of the season the Saints will likely pay to keep him. Drew Brees isn't going to want to see his #1 target, heck his only target, be let out of New Orleans. They'll get Colston resigned.

 

[KDWilliams85]

I love when people throw numbers at me. There's no reason to assume they'd take one in the 1st Round. There were some good receivers to be taken later but they were taken before the Cowboys could pick.

2000 - There were two serviceable players in the first two rounds in retrospect. Jerry Porter and Plaxico Burress.

2001 - Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Justin McCareins, and T.J. Houshmanzadeh are still ruffling a little in the wind in the NFL.

2002 - Donte' Stallworth, Javon Walker, Antwaan Randle El, Antonio Bryant, Deion Branch, and David Givens are still playing.

2003 - Andre Johnson, Bryant Johnson, Shaun McDonald, Arnaz Battle, and Brandon Lloyd are still in the NFL.

2004 - Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Michael Clayton, Devery Henderson, Jerricho Cotchery, Ernest Wilford, Patrick Crayton, D.J. Hackett, and Drew Carter are still with teams.

2005 - Braylon Edwards, Matt Jones, Troy Williamson, Mark Clayton, Roddy White, Reggie Brown, Mark Bradley, Vincent Jackson, Courtney Roby, Brandon Jones, Jerome Mathis, and Roydell Williams are looking at relatively lucrative deals in the near future.

2006 - Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss, Greg Jennings, Travis Wilson, Brandon Williams, Derek Hagan, Brandon Marshall, and Marques Colston are lined up for their next contracts.

All the 2007 class of receivers haven't gotten two years to make noise yet so you can leave all of them in there.

The 2008 class hasn't played a down yet.

So, here are the numbers...

Of all the specific players I've listed, only sixteen are from the first round. The other twenty-one are from the second round all the way down to the seventh round. I didn't even include any undrafted players.

The most underrated factor in this type of deal is New Orleans' right to match any restricted contracts. New Orleans will keep him. It doesn't matter if we sign him to an $80 million offer sheet. Well... maybe nothing that big... but you get the idea.


So, pretty much... Colston will cost too much money or too much future stock for anybody to just say that he is.

 

[iceberg]

I love when people throw numbers at me. There's no reason to assume they'd take one in the 1st Round. There were some good receivers to be taken later but they were taken before the Cowboys could pick.

2000 - There were two serviceable players in the first two rounds in retrospect. Jerry Porter and Plaxico Burress.

2001 - Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Justin McCareins, and T.J. Houshmanzadeh are still ruffling a little in the wind in the NFL.

2002 - Donte' Stallworth, Javon Walker, Antwaan Randle El, Antonio Bryant, Deion Branch, and David Givens are still playing.

2003 - Andre Johnson, Bryant Johnson, Shaun McDonald, Arnaz Battle, and Brandon Lloyd are still in the NFL.

2004 - Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Michael Clayton, Devery Henderson, Jerricho Cotchery, Ernest Wilford, Patrick Crayton, D.J. Hackett, and Drew Carter are still with teams.

2005 - Braylon Edwards, Matt Jones, Troy Williamson, Mark Clayton, Roddy White, Reggie Brown, Mark Bradley, Vincent Jackson, Courtney Roby, Brandon Jones, Jerome Mathis, and Roydell Williams are looking at relatively lucrative deals in the near future.

2006 - Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss, Greg Jennings, Travis Wilson, Brandon Williams, Derek Hagan, Brandon Marshall, and Marques Colston are lined up for their next contracts.

All the 2007 class of receivers haven't gotten two years to make noise yet so you can leave all of them in there.

The 2008 class hasn't played a down yet.

So, here are the numbers...

Of all the specific players I've listed, only sixteen are from the first round. The other twenty-one are from the second round all the way down to the seventh round. I didn't even include any undrafted players.

The most underrated factor in this type of deal is New Orleans' right to match any restricted contracts. New Orleans will keep him. It doesn't matter if we sign him to an $80 million offer sheet. Well... maybe nothing that big... but you get the idea.

So, pretty much... Colston will cost too much money or too much future stock for anybody to just say that he is.

i love it more when people don't pay attention to what i say and go off on some trail of stupidity on their own pretending that was my point cause they totally blew by my own REAL point.

let me requote so you don't do this again.

"how many 1st round WR's live up to that pick? not many. "

now, what i am saying here is that WRs picked in the 1st round had a low success rate given the 1st round pick. the 1st round is defined by every team having an opportunity to pick barring a trade OR cheating. so, the 1st 32 players normally constitutes a ROUND and being the 1st 32 players, we refer to that as teh FIRST ROUND.

now, how many FIRST ROUND WRs lived up to that pick? not many.

i don't give a damn about picks 33 and beyond cause in normal circumstances this is NOT considered the 1st round. this is the 2nd round and beyond. with me so far? i'm not comparing WR value to WR value, but WR value to 1ST ROUND PICKS of this decade.

and in case that was confusing to you, here's another quote that follows the same trail of logic.

7 of 28 WRs drafted in this decade in my mind could be arguably still a 1st round pick or still hold a 1st round value. that's 25% of the picks in the end for WRs in this decade wound up being worth that pick.

now, all i'm saying is what WRs drafted in the FIRST ROUND would still get that grade today? in my mind, 7. now if you wanna bust up that # and make it higher or lower based on your own criteria, that would actually fit the topic i'm talking about.

i said ONLY 1ST ROUND WRs were counted cause that was what was spent on them at the time. I DID NOT SAY other WRs TODAY wouldn't be worth it AT THE TIME. they would. but that's not the point and i never said it was.

the point was what value we get out of the 1st round picks of this decade.

nothing else.

the point is, can a later round WR be worth a 1st round grade later? damn skippy. happens all the time. 21 1st round WRs in 2000-2008 in my mind wouldn't get a 1st round pick again.

would coulston? likely. i think if we knew then what we know now about him he'd be a 1st round pick. the only difference here is you KNOW what you can expect from him for the most part.

you know nothing of ANY 1st round WR pick in NFL terms beyond speculation, of which i was trying to illustrate but you seem to have missed. so my next point is i really don't care WHAT the WR class is like this time, i'd spend a 1st rounder on some security and knowledge of what they can do vs. taking a WR at our 30+ pick cause they were available.

i'm sorry i made that a difficult point, i really am. i thought i was clear in trying to compare what's been a 1st round grade in this decade to performance on the field to show how our late 1st round could be better spent on a trade for a WR than throwing the dice into a void that in this decade has bee wrong 75% of the time.

any more clear? what coulston would cost $ wise isn't my point. my point is and ONLY IS finding WR value with our 1st round pick.

 

[DFWJC]

Colston would be amazing

 

[DFWJC]

If Torry Holt almost guarantees you a championship then its worth a 1.

IMO he would.

Good one. You and I both know nothing is anywhere close being guaranteed in this league. See 2007 Pats for that one.

 

[DFWJC]

I can name at least 15 better receivers than Colston off the top of my head. And.... in no particular order!

1) Marvin Harrison
2) Reggie Wayne
3) Randy Moss
4) Terrell Owens
5) Larry Fitzgerald
6) Anquan Boldin
7) Roy Williams
8) Chad Johnson
9) Braylon Edwards
10) Plaxico Burress
11) Torry Holt
12) Andre Johnson
13) T.J. Houshmanzadeh
14) Steve Smith
15) Lee Evans

Taking age into account, i thing you may be exaggerating JUST a bit. But in any case, Colstem would be a great add IF the price was right.

 

[Hostile]

Colston would be amazing

The Saints are working on a long term deal to keep him.