An Elite defense with Dak could be enough

[Diehardblues]

23 points, if you were told the D would hold them to 23 you would of said the cowboys would win. As for the yards what’s more important points allowed or yards you should know that.

Not against that 49er defense which held Rodgers the next week in Green Bay to 10 points.

Yards is the criteria and what’s used to measure defenses. Unless your prepared to rewrite NFL history on all of the great defenses.

 

[Swagger]

Not against that 49er defense which held Rodgers the next week in Green Bay to 10 points.

Yards is the criteria and what’s used to measure defenses. Unless your prepared to rewrite NFL history on all of the great defenses.

Yeah let's not mention the extreme weather conditions in Lambeau which turned it into a special teams affair

Rodgers didn't have Baktihari or Jenkins in his o line either. Prescott had a stronger o line and far better weather conditions in comparison

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah let's not mention the extreme weather conditions in Lambeau which turned it into a special teams affair

Even in sunny LA in Sofi stadium the 49ers only gave up 20 points to the World Champ Rams.

49ers defense in 2021 playoffs gave up 17. 10 and 20 points.

 

[Swagger]

Even in sunny LA in Sofi stadium the 49ers only gave up 20 points to the World Champ Rams.

49ers defense in 2021 playoffs gave up 17. 10 and 20 points.

The 49ers had a good defense. I don't disagree. Yet Stafford was able to score points with the late drives whilst Prescott failed to get it done.

 

[Diehardblues]

The 49ers had a good defense. I don't disagree. Yet Stafford was able to score points with the late drives whilst Prescott failed to get it done.

And why Stafford is considered one of the Elite QB’s in the league now.

 

[Swagger]

And why Stafford is considered one of the Elite QB’s in the league now.

Again I agree.

 

[Diehardblues]

I guess we have some Cowboy fans are just upset we don’t have one of the Elite QB’s in the league. And why we need a greater defense.

 

[Swagger]

Best defenses since the turn of this century in my view:

1. Ravens - carried Dilfer
2. Broncos - carried Peyton Manning when he looked about 80
3. Seahawks - legion of boom

Patriots generally had top 5-10 defenses to win Superbowls. Rams had a strong D last season and the Bucs in the play offs the year before but not as dominant as the above three defenses imo.

Prescott needs a defense like the top 3 (in my view the top 2) to win a Superbowl which is unlikely.

 

[Motorola]

We’re weak up the middle. And I’m not sure we addressed this in offseason.

Its not what they do in the regular season, its what the defense does in the post season. Bengals D wasnt all that good in the regular season, but they were real good in the playoffs. Doing things like shutting down Mahomes in the 2nd half.

Now the Cowboys D was good during the regular season, but what did they do

Not against that 49er defense which held Rodgers the next week in Green Bay to 10 points.

Yards is the criteria and what’s used to measure defenses. Unless your prepared to rewrite NFL history on all of the great defenses.

Even in sunny LA in Sofi stadium the 49ers only gave up 20 points to the World Champ Rams.

49ers defense in 2021 playoffs gave up 17. 10 and 20 points.

Yards AND points allowed during regular season; then in the playoffs - it's points.
A team's offense can dominate time of possession and yardage accumulated - but if it results in no \ fewer points scored that the oppostion to win the game - the defense ultimtately succeeded.

 

[kskboys]

Its not what they do in the regular season, its what the defense does in the post season. Bengals D wasnt all that good in the regular season, but they were real good in the playoffs. Doing things like shutting down Mahomes in the 2nd half.

Now the Cowboys D was good during the regular season, but what did they do in the playoffs?

They gave up 180 yards rushing and 2 TD's and they got zero sacks on JG and very little pressure.

So essentially they didn't even show up.

Bengals D was 18th, Cowboys were 19th.

 

[Brax]

Your accounting of the game goes against most. Instead it sounds like a fan who waits for the QB to pull out games in the end.

Even if the time doesn’t run out on that last play you’d have one play left on the 25 yard line. Very unlikely you’d score a TD there.

Just amazing we expect our QB to pull a game out we had no business winning the way we were dominated.

Many view the game through homer excuse glasses, I didn't expect the QB to pull it out, but if Brady, Rodgers, Alllen, Wilson, Mahomes, and few others were given the same 2 chances at the end of the game (thanks to that "dominated" D) do you think the outcome would have been the same? Maybe if the O did something for the first 3 quarters the outcome is different. I expect the QB to show up for all 4 quarters you are OK with a quarter of good play and find excuses for the poor play the other 3. Let's be honest, that MM still has a job say's volumes about the organization as as a whole and none of it is flattering. Just amazing some give the QB a pass for 3 putrid quarters of football and folding at the end with a bone head play high schoolers know how to execute.

 

[Brax]

Not against that 49er defense which held Rodgers the next week in Green Bay to 10 points.

Yards is the criteria and what’s used to measure defenses. Unless your prepared to rewrite NFL history on all of the great defenses.

I will take points that's the hallmark of great D you should look at history a little better PA is the bench mark.

 

[Flamma]

Best defenses since the turn of this century in my view:

1. Ravens - carried Dilfer
2. Broncos - carried Peyton Manning when he looked about 80
3. Seahawks - legion of boom

Patriots generally had top 5-10 defenses to win Superbowls. Rams had a strong D last season and the Bucs in the play offs the year before but not as dominant as the above three defenses imo.

Prescott needs a defense like the top 3 (in my view the top 2) to win a Superbowl which is unlikely.

If Prescott needs a defense like those, then there's no reason for him to be here. But I think that isn't necessary. A defense similar to what the 49ers have now, or like they had when Colin Kaepernick had should be enough.

I want to give an honorable mention to the 2007 giants. That defense was lights out during the playoffs.

 

[Flamma]

And why Stafford is considered one of the Elite QB’s in the league now.

But he's not. He's a Tony Romo clone with less mobility.

 

[G2]

Never said that but a pattern does exist, no show for 3 quarters then hero time, you are happy with 17 points from the great O and the great effort Dak gave no problem. If I was you I would look at the last 2 and 1/2 minutes and get garbage time off your mind.

I'm certain Prescott isn't the golden child of QBs, but this seems a touch emotional. I mean, do people honestly think QBs "put the team on their shoulders" and pull off wins? That negates the importance of the entire unit and is a little lazy. There were 2-3 games we lost last season that we also missed FGs. Are we blaming the kicker for every loss? Don't answer that.
Isn't there a statistic that places Dak fairly high in end of game comebacks? How could that be?

 

[Brax]

I'm certain Prescott isn't the golden child of QBs, but this seems a touch emotional. I mean, do people honestly think QBs "put the team on their shoulders" and pull off wins? That negates the importance of the entire unit and is a little lazy. There were 2-3 games we lost last season that we also missed FGs. Are we blaming the kicker for every loss? Don't answer that.
Isn't there a statistic that places Dak fairly high in end of game comebacks? How could that be?

There is a stat for everything but like most they mean little without context , Dak around 10-12 in QB’s is about right and given the opportunities at the end of the game I would take our chances of # 1-5 putting the team on their shoulders, if you were happy with Daks play the entire game then I have no problem with that, a new season is coming and going by history I don’t think much will change, but hope springs eternal some say.

 

[G2]

There is a stat for everything but like most they mean little without context , Dak around 10-12 in QB’s is about right and given the opportunities at the end of the game I would take our chances of # 1-5 putting the team on their shoulders, if you were happy with Daks play the entire game then I have no problem with that, a new season is coming and going by history I don’t think much will change, but hope springs eternal some say.

This is the year, haven't you heard? Everyone's in the best shape of their lives!

 

[Brax]

This is the year, haven't you heard? Everyone's in the best shape of their lives!

Thanks for the good conversation have a good week

 

[Doomsday101]

Bengals D was 18th, Cowboys were 19th.

Bengals defense came on strong as they hit post season. Holding opponents to 19, 19 and 24 points

 

[kskboys]

Bengals defense came on strong as they hit post season. Holding opponents to 19, 19 and 24 points

Yes, they did.

Someone was claiming our D was better than theirs. It was not.