An oddity about Washington

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SaltwaterServr;3443374 said:
1. To make sure you knew I was laughing at you. Not with you.
Ah...and laughing at me (instead of with me) disproves my point, how, exactly? lol


2. Point is to get something out of the picks which Washington hasn't in a looong time. Keep on trading them away for over the hill vets and big name free agents that flame out like a Pride Parade with no mascara.
So it's a good thing you bothered writing that long-*** post laughing about how the "oddity about Washington" and how we've not had a draft with a pick in each of the 7 rounds since 1995...considering that that point isn't important (like I said) and that you have now twice agreed with me that it isn't lol ;)...


3. The value is that we as Cowboys fans recognize the difference while the Commanders fans are on ES stroking themselves over the McNabb trade. Keep on believing someone else's cast off is going to help you reach a winning season while Dallas is a true contender for the big thing. How many times over the years have ES blown up and rained it's filth on other team's boards with how great you were going to be with the newest thing in the cupboard?
Ok, you're just having problems staying on-message now lol...Focus!


Commanders, 4-12, but the greatest thing since the remote control and sliced bread the day after Danny signed Haynesworth. Yeah, I checked it out and y'all were all kinds of happy after that. Throwing around "playoff contenders" and what not like it meant something. Then reality hit and the real teams came to play the game.

Commanders, offseason champs, regular season chumps.
Wait, so...now the point is that we get overly optimistic each offseason?
 

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SaltwaterServr;3443378 said:
You're really reaching with this. The guy said since 2005 and Hos shot him down. Two years we've been touted as major favorites. The rest is pretty much existent only in the empty little minds of the ES faithful.
Hmm, that's probably why I said this:

"You're right in that there have only been a few years recently in which the Cowboys seemed to be a more-or-less consensus pick to get to the Super Bowl..."

Reading comprehension is your friend.

Not to mention, my point (and, unlike some, I do actually have one) is that it's much harder now to come up with a "consensus" choice than it was, say 10 years or so ago, because of the plethora of media and news outlets and blogs and "sportswriters" (I use that term loosely lol)...
 

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Califan007;3443361 said:
Man, that one wildcard win in 12 years made you Cowboys fans a cocky bunch, hasn't it lol...;)
Do you really want to challenge the Cowboys in any area?

Overall History.

Recent History.

Post Season History.

Most recent Post Season History.

Pick your poison. Which one are you clearly better than us at? Go ahead and cherry pick a time frame to make your point. Even if the time frame makes no sense for any other reason than you get to choose it.

Meanwhile I don't even have to cherry pick a time frame. Congratulations on 4th place in the NFC East last year. You must me so proud.
 

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Califan007;3443375 said:
I think it depends on where you look and how you define "offseason favorites" (or whatever term was used). With sooooo many news and information avenues available now via the web and cable/satellite, you're gonna find predictions all over the place. I don't think too many people just go by what the annual football magazines predict anymore.

You're right in that there have only been a few years recently in which the Cowboys seemed to be a more-or-less consensus pick to get to the Super Bowl (if not win it), but every year over the last 4 years or so there have been numerous individual sportswriters and news outlets predicting the Cowboys to be NFC champs, who either loved Parcells and jumped on his bandwagor a bit too eagerly or thought Romo was on the cusp of being the next Tom Brady so went ahead and predicted a conference championship, or who thought adding T.O. would put Dallas "over the top" and propel them into the Super Bowl.
I would really like to see some links to this. I study this team, and I know you won't find evidence of that. In 2008...yeah. In 2010...probably going to be some.

2006, Parcells last year? Nuh uh.

2007, the start of the Wade era? No way.

2009, after a 2008 meltdown? Please.


Adding TO? Holy cow, now I have heard it all. We spent 3 years listening to the media remind that he has never helped a team win a Super Bowl. As if we didn't know. They spent 2008 ripping the guy to shreds at every turn.
 

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Hostile;3443392 said:
Do you really want to challenge the Cowboys in any area?

Overall History.

Recent History.

Post Season History.

Most recent Post Season History.

Pick your poison. Which one are you clearly better than us at? Go ahead and cherry pick a time frame to make your point. Even if the time frame makes no sense for any other reason than you get to choose it.

Meanwhile I don't even have to cherry pick a time frame. Congratulations on 4th place in the NFC East last year. You must me so proud.
Did I say Commanders fans had a reason to be cocky? lol...No. What I did say, though, was that Cowboys fans seem to have grown cockier after their one wildcard win...their only postseason win in 12 years.

If you DO want a category where the Skins come out on top, though, then I'd choose "Playoff Victories Over The Past 12 Years" for $100, Alex.
 

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Hostile;3443395 said:
I would really like to see some links to this. I study this team, and I know you won't find evidence of that. In 2008...yeah. In 2010...probably going to be some.

2006, Parcells last year? Nuh uh.

2007, the start of the Wade era? No way.

2009, after a 2008 meltdown? Please.


Adding TO? Holy cow, now I have heard it all. We spent 3 years listening to the media remind that he has never helped a team win a Super Bowl. As if we didn't know. They spent 2008 ripping the guy to shreds at every turn.
No problem, give me about 20 minutes and I'll find links to those individual outlets and sportswriters for ya *thumbsup*...
 

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Califan007;3443398 said:
Did I say Commanders fans had a reason to be cocky? lol...No. What I did say, though, was that Cowboys fans seem to have grown cockier after their one wildcard win...their only postseason win in 12 years.

If you DO want a category where the Skins come out on top, though, then I'd choose "Playoff Victories Over The Past 12 Years" for $100, Alex.
13 years.

I could have made book on that cherry picked category or head to head post season.

Damn right I am cocky. Stand in our shadow and shiver from the cold.
 

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Hostile;3443395 said:
I would really like to see some links to this. I study this team, and I know you won't find evidence of that. In 2008...yeah. In 2010...probably going to be some.

2006, Parcells last year? Nuh uh.
Pats-Cowboys matchup awaits in Super Bowl XLI

t1_parcells_si.jpg

A Cowboys win in Super Bowl XLI would allow Bill Parcells to exit the game on top.


2006 NFL predictions

"Merrill Hoge: NFC Champions - Cowboys"



Two NFL experts have picked the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl

"Two NFL experts with national platforms have picked the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl...Chris Mortensen, NFL snoop for ESPN, and Sports Illustrated guru Peter King hatched their forecasts independent of each other, through sober reflection and without the aid of stimulants."


2007, the start of the Wade era? No way.
Athlon, Sporting News: Patriots over Cowboys.

"Athlon: Patriots over Cowboys.
Sporting News: Patriots over Cowboys."

USA TODAY staff NFL picks for 2007 season

"Jarrett Bell: NFC Champions - Cowboys

Sean Leahy: NFC Champions - Cowboys"


ESPN: Our experts: And the champ will be...

"Michele Tafoya, ESPN Analyst: NFC Champions - Cowboys

Tom Jackson, ESPN Analyst: NFC Champions - Cowboys


As for the "start of the Wade era? No way."...a few interesting predictions lol:

"Joe Theismann, ESPN Analyst: Coach Of The Year - Wade Phillips

Merril Hoge, ESPN Analyst: Coach Of The Year - Wade Phillips

Tom Jackson, ESPN Analyst: Coach Of The Year - Wade Phillips

John Clayton, ESPN.com: Coach Of The Year - Wade Phillips"


SI.com's NFL writers weigh in with 2007 predictions

"Bucky Brooks:

Terrell Owens shines in his return to Philadelphia with 150 receiving yards and two touchdowns to lead the Cowboys to another Super Bowl appearance. Cowboys 31, Eagles 20

A composed Tony Romo captures the Super Bowl MVP after passing for 252 yards and three touchdowns in the big game. Cowboys 24, Patriots 20"




2008: We both agree that a lot of the sports media picked the Cowboys to be NFC Champs and make the Super Bowl.


2009, after a 2008 meltdown? Please.
This one I'll give you lol...but I saw it as this: after three years running of pumping up the Cowboys to win the NFC Championship and go to the Super Bowl, only to see that misguided faith collapse on them, those same sportswriters revolted and lashed out at the Cowboys in 2009. Of course, now that the Cowboys actually won in December and actually won a wildcard game they're back in full force lol :cool:...

I could of course drag out more if it weren't after midnight and I had more motivation lol...and I purposefully left out the numerous blogs and sports websites that gave their predictions since I couldn't determine just who the authors were of these pieces. And this does not count the writers who picked the Cowboys to make it to the NFC Championship game, but lose.
 

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Hostile;3443403 said:
13 years.

I could have made book on that cherry picked category or head to head post season.

Damn right I am cocky. Stand in our shadow and shiver from the cold.
It's the shadow of an anorexic teenage girl standing directly under the 12:00 noon sun lol...an ant couldn't get shivers from that shadow. ;)
 

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It's cute how every offseason Skins fans come here to tell us how great they are. You'll be gone again once the season starts like always only to show back up around March when the first big name has been is signed to do it all over again. We've seen it all before, it's not being cocky it's just pointing out the obvious


Keep cheery picking time lines and stats to try and convince your self we're equal. I'm not going to argue with you or try to take this away from you, it's the offseason, the only time of year your team is actually competitive so enjoy. At the end of the day it's 4-12 vs NFCE champions :cool:
 

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Ren;3443415 said:
It's cute how every offseason Skins fans come here to tell us how great they are. You'll be gone again once the season starts like always only to show back up around March when the first big name has been is signed to do it all over again. We've seen it all before, it's not being cocky it's just pointing out the obvious


Keep cheery picking time lines and stats to try and convince your self we're equal. I'm not going to argue with you or try to take this away from you, it's the offseason, the only time of year your team is actually competitive so enjoy. At the end of the day it's 4-12 vs NFCE champions :cool:

Yeah, but what about how thin the point spreads are in some of our victories over them? Huh?
 

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Idgit;3443419 said:
Yeah, but what about how thin the point spreads are in some of our victories over them? Huh?

They're just 1 missing piece away as always :muttley:
 

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Ren;3443415 said:
It's cute how every offseason Skins fans come here to tell us how great they are. You'll be gone again once the season starts like always only to show back up around March when the first big name has been is signed to do it all over again. We've seen it all before, it's not being cocky it's just pointing out the obvious.
Point out all the posts on CZ by Commanders fans where they claim how "great" the Skins will be this season. Or is this just Cowboys fan hyperbole along the lines of Skins fans claiming that "The Cowboys are always picked to go to the Super Bowl"? lol...At least I gave some links and quotes to back up that poster's claims.


Keep cheery picking time lines and stats to try and convince your self we're equal. I'm not going to argue with you or try to take this away from you, it's the offseason, the only time of year your team is actually competitive so enjoy. At the end of the day it's 4-12 vs NFCE champions :cool:
Every stat is, by definition, "cherry-picked" unless you just do the entire history of the franchises. And again, if Dallas is so "obviously" better than the Commanders you'll have to explain why the two teams have split their head-to-head games over the last 5 years and Dallas has had to squeak out 3 point victories when they DO win. It could be because the Cowboys are vastly overrated lol ;)...or it could be it's because you guys vastly underrate the Commanders. Or it could be both. :cool:
 

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Califan007;3443447 said:
And again, if Dallas is so "obviously" better than the Commanders you'll have to explain why the two teams have split their head-to-head games over the last 5 years and Dallas has had to squeak out 3 point victories when they DO win. It could be because the Cowboys are vastly overrated lol ;)...or it could be it's because you guys vastly underrate the Commanders. Or it could be both. :cool:

Cowboys lead series, 59-37-2

In the past decade they have a 14 - 6 advantage ....

Last 3 coaches

Dave Campo was 5-1 against them
Bill Parcells was 5-3 against them
Wade Phillips is 4-2 against them

But I am not surprised a Commander fan does not understand the word dominate.
 

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Califan007;3443413 said:
It's the shadow of an anorexic teenage girl standing directly under the 12:00 noon sun lol...an ant couldn't get shivers from that shadow. ;)
Child please. You want to talk smack, I'm your huckleberry. But don't bring this weak crap in here. This is like bringing a flyswatter to a gunfight. The Cowboys don't cast a shadow over the Commanders? In your best wet dreams, and nowhere else.

Since 1960 when the Cowboys came into the league the Commanders have been our punching bag with very few exceptions. It is one of the chief reasons why you hate the Cowboys and denying that would be silly. There's 50 years of head to head History staring you right in the face.

You want a little come uppance? Let's start with this. You're shooting your mouth off on a Cowboys forum after finishing dead last in the Division.

Since 1961 the Cowboys and Commanders have been in the same Division. The lone exception was the 1982 strike year where Divisions were done away with. This means we have 48 years of Division rivalry with them. In that 48 year span the Cowboys have been last in the NFC East a total of 4 times.

Tom Landry's last year...1988. Jimmy Johnson's first year...1989. Dave Campo's final two years of 5-11 madness...2001 & 2002.

Dan Snyder bought the Commanders in May 1999. Counting 1999 he has owned the team for 11 seasons. They have 4 dead last finishes in the Division just since he took over the team.

2004 under Joe Gibbs. 2006 under Joe Gibbs. 2008 under Jim Zorn. 2009 under Jim Zorn.

Oh, and in case anyone is curious, 3 times before Little Danny bought the team...1961, 1993, & 1994.

The all time series shows the Cowboys with a huge advantage. 59-37-2. If you went on a winning streak against us right now, it would take 11 years of sweeps to break even. The problem with that idea is you've only swept us 4 times in the 48 years of home and away series. 1984, 1987, 1995, & 2005. You couldn't even sweep us the year we went 1-15. Hells bells, the worst Head Coach in our History, Dave Campo was 5-1 against the Commanders.

Not one of our Head Coaches in our History has a losing record against the Commanders.

Meanwhile, we have swept you 15 times after last year's broom job. Adding insult to injury, you don't even hold a winning record against us in your house. Dallas is 26-24 playing @ Washington and 8-5 at Fed Ex Field.

Do you know what your longest winning streak against the Cowboys is? Of course you don't. It's 4 games. The last game of 1986 through the first game of 1988. One of those wins was the replacement game of 1987 that Commanders fans are so proud of. If we win our first match in 2010, the season opener in your house, it will be 4 in a row for us, matching your longest ever. It's not our longest ever against you. I am just throwing it out there for the sake of information.

Actually our longest win streak was 10 games. The last game of the 1997 season through the first game of the 2002 season. Had you guys not figured out Campo for that one game in 2002 our streak would have been 15 games, because as soon you won 1 against us, we immediately added another 4 in a row, again, matching your longest streak. We have matched or exceeded your longest streak 4 times already, and a season opening win will make it 5 times.

You can throw out your little post season glory for the last 12 years weak jab, but it doesn't impress me one bit that you've won more post season games than us over the last 13 years. If you want to compare post season records, just wait until the record starts playing and we'll dance. The Cowboys are 33-25 all time in the Post Season. The Commanders are 10 wins behind us at 23-17. Behind us is where you belong as I have already demonstrated. We have a 10 win advantage over you despite you having a 28 year head start on us. Give us 28 more years and that 33 is going to look pedestrian.

While I care about all kinds of records and accomplishments it really comes down to Super Bowls. We've won 3 of those things since you last won one. How does that taste? We've got a legit shot to make it 4 since your last one. I bet that was bitter. Yeah I know all about your NFL Championships in 1937 and 1946, giving you 5 just like us. Think we'll be stuck on 5 in 28 more years? I bet we won't be. Maybe we will. I guess it is something for you to hope for.

You've got 6 Division Championships to be proud of in the years we have been head to head rivals. Congrats on those. I do think they matter. We have 21 in the same time span. We have twice won 5 in a row.

16 times since we joined the NFL in 1960 the Commanders have been to the Playoffs. I don't think it will be 17 in 2010. I've been wrong before, but I just don't see you as a Playoff team in 2010. I do think we are. That will make 31 times. 1 short of doubling your success at achieving the post season.

No shadow cast on your team by ours? Like I said before, child please.
 

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Califan007;3443410 said:
Pats-Cowboys matchup awaits in Super Bowl XLI

t1_parcells_si.jpg

A Cowboys win in Super Bowl XLI would allow Bill Parcells to exit the game on top.


2006 NFL predictions

"Merrill Hoge: NFC Champions - Cowboys"



Two NFL experts have picked the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl

"Two NFL experts with national platforms have picked the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl...Chris Mortensen, NFL snoop for ESPN, and Sports Illustrated guru Peter King hatched their forecasts independent of each other, through sober reflection and without the aid of stimulants."


Athlon, Sporting News: Patriots over Cowboys.

"Athlon: Patriots over Cowboys.
Sporting News: Patriots over Cowboys."

USA TODAY staff NFL picks for 2007 season

"Jarrett Bell: NFC Champions - Cowboys

Sean Leahy: NFC Champions - Cowboys"


ESPN: Our experts: And the champ will be...

"Michele Tafoya, ESPN Analyst: NFC Champions - Cowboys

Tom Jackson, ESPN Analyst: NFC Champions - Cowboys


As for the "start of the Wade era? No way."...a few interesting predictions lol:

"Joe Theismann, ESPN Analyst: Coach Of The Year - Wade Phillips

Merril Hoge, ESPN Analyst: Coach Of The Year - Wade Phillips

Tom Jackson, ESPN Analyst: Coach Of The Year - Wade Phillips

John Clayton, ESPN.com: Coach Of The Year - Wade Phillips"


SI.com's NFL writers weigh in with 2007 predictions

"Bucky Brooks:

Terrell Owens shines in his return to Philadelphia with 150 receiving yards and two touchdowns to lead the Cowboys to another Super Bowl appearance. Cowboys 31, Eagles 20

A composed Tony Romo captures the Super Bowl MVP after passing for 252 yards and three touchdowns in the big game. Cowboys 24, Patriots 20"




2008: We both agree that a lot of the sports media picked the Cowboys to be NFC Champs and make the Super Bowl.


This one I'll give you lol...but I saw it as this: after three years running of pumping up the Cowboys to win the NFC Championship and go to the Super Bowl, only to see that misguided faith collapse on them, those same sportswriters revolted and lashed out at the Cowboys in 2009. Of course, now that the Cowboys actually won in December and actually won a wildcard game they're back in full force lol :cool:...

I could of course drag out more if it weren't after midnight and I had more motivation lol...and I purposefully left out the numerous blogs and sports websites that gave their predictions since I couldn't determine just who the authors were of these pieces. And this does not count the writers who picked the Cowboys to make it to the NFC Championship game, but lose.
First of all I want to give you kudos for even bothering to go find this stuff.

:clap:

No joke, you made the effort and that is straight up respected by me.

I knew there would be nothing for 2009. I am shocked at 2006 until I see it is Merrill Hoge. But Mortenson and King lend credence to your claim.

I actually had forgotten about those 2 magazines in 2007. Kudos again.
 

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Hostile;3443553 said:
A bunch o' stuff...
Dayum lol...I haven't read your post yet but holy stinkin' kumquats, that's some lengthy smack right there!! lol :D...I'm gonna have to read it later when I have more time to digest it and form a response worthy of your effort...and you know I will. ;)
 

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Califan007;3443845 said:
Dayum lol...I haven't read your post yet but holy stinkin' kumquats, that's some lengthy smack right there!! lol :D...I'm gonna have to read it later when I have more time to digest it and form a response worthy of your effort...and you know I will. ;)




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