Analysis Cowboys&Cooper vs Raiders&Brown

[LatinMind]

wins and losses, bad trades...see Mack. THEN go look at the cap hit and deal of the Brown trade. The guy is well over 30 years old and you traded away Cooper, a 26 year old stud wr? lol...YET KEPT DEREK CARR? LOL...He cannot get the ball to guys...he stinks. He has regressed badly. You can surround a QB with all the talent in the world, but if he isn't THAT GUY, then it matters not. Did I mention the Raiders oline is absolute hot garbage?

Everything you just said points to one obvious thing.

You have never watched a AB game even recently because he's the best WR in football.

You had never seen a Cooper game whgile with the Raiders. He would have a huge game then he would disappear for 3 weeks.

Derek Carr with the horrible OL and trading Cooper still threw over 4000 yrds with no reliable WRs.

Gruden knows how to coach and knows how to build a team.

Raiders werent the first team that tried to get Gruden out of the booth. Theres a reason these teams weanted him.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

This thread already exists, you just wanted your voice to stand out more.

 

[Rayman70]

Everything you just said points to one obvious thing.

You have never watched a AB game even recently because he's the best WR in football.

You had never seen a Cooper game whgile with the Raiders. He would have a huge game then he would disappear for 3 weeks.

Derek Carr with the horrible OL and trading Cooper still threw over 4000 yrds with no reliable WRs.

Gruden knows how to coach and knows how to build a team.

Raiders werent the first team that tried to get Gruden out of the booth. Theres a reason these teams weanted him.

THERE is no getting through to you. Just watch the 2019 season. Wash rinse repeat. ..btw...I watched just about every game since 1973...AB is not the issue, read what I said. ITS GRUDEN...the only issue I have with Brown is his age..but other than that, he is the best WR in football but Cooper is near the top too and younger. DEREK CARR AND the oline will be the Achilles heel AGAIN. Until Gruden admits Carr isn't the answer, no player,no matter how talented, will help the offense. This year will be a 6 win season, at best.

 

[Verdict]

It's a bad trade IMO.

Raiders are a project and AB is a player that should be pushing a contender over the line rather than making a rebuilding team mediocre. It makes no sense to me because it hinders rather than helps the Raiders when they do get in a position to contend. If Raiders were a team that I expected to make the playoffs it'd be a different story. Right now though the Raiders should be building through the draft and storing a war chest that they can spend when they're ready.

A team should do everything it can to get better, but a bottom tier team like the Raiders should be looking at the longer term. A player like Cooper has a longer shelf life and would presumably be around long enough to validate keeping him around. Brown doesn't fit in to that scenario. It's a head scratcher.

 

[Verdict]

THERE is no getting through to you. Just watch the 2019 season. Wash rinse repeat. ..btw...I watched just about every game since 1973...AB is not the issue, read what I said. ITS GRUDEN...the only issue I have with Brown is his age..but other than that, he is the best WR in football but Cooper is near the top too and younger. DEREK CARR AND the oline will be the Achilles heel AGAIN. Until Gruden admits Carr isn't the answer, no player,no matter how talented, will help the offense. This year will be a 6 win season, at best.

Cooper is a good receiver. He has upside. But he's probably not a top 5 guy currently . Maybe not even top 10. But he is good enough to be a solid #1.

 

[xwalker]

I'm still not sure Gruden was on board with either of the Mack or Cooper trades. He sure didn't sound happy about the Mack trade. He said something along the lines of it's hard to play good defense when you lose your best pass rusher right after that trade.

If Gruden was against the.Mack trade, then the Raiders are horribly dysfunctional.

 

[xwalker]

THERE is no getting through to you. Just watch the 2019 season. Wash rinse repeat. ..btw...I watched just about every game since 1973...AB is not the issue, read what I said. ITS GRUDEN...the only issue I have with Brown is his age..but other than that, he is the best WR in football but Cooper is near the top too and younger. DEREK CARR AND the oline will be the Achilles heel AGAIN. Until Gruden admits Carr isn't the answer, no player,no matter how talented, will help the offense. This year will be a 6 win season, at best.

He appears to be a Raiders fan based on his posts in this thread.

 

[xwalker]

Imo I think the raiders are in “win now” mode this season

I think they’ll get leveon bell and I don’t think they will get Murray I think gruden sticks with care despite what’s being said

I mean You can’t limp into Las Vegas in 2020 at 3-13

Very odd to trade away Khalil Mack if they are in win now mode.

 

[xwalker]

The two trades have nothing to do with one another. Trading Cooper for what amounted to the 25th pick is a win for the Cowboys. But we will have to see what the Raiders turn that pick into.

The raiders going out and getting the best WR in football for a 3rd and 5th round pick is an incredible deal. And they only had to sign him to a 3 year deal. I would take that all day long.

I'm curious what the Raiders are doing.

Trading away Mack and Cooper seemed to indicate a complete rebuild.

Trading for a 31 year old WR seems like the opposite of a rebuild.

Rarely has trading away young players and replacing them with old players been a blueprint for going to the Super Bowl.

The value of the picks the Raiders gave for Brown is literally just 1 round later than the pick they received from the Cowboys.

Raiders received 1-27 for Cooper.

Raiders gave the equivalent of 2-28 for Brown.

I'm not really condemning the Raider per se, but it seems like they started rebuilding and then changed their minds.

An owner needs a strong backbone to do a true rebuild. It seems that Mark Davis might have lost his nerve after fan criticism

 

[Brooksey]

Your opinion on Brown is whats comical

I don’t follow the pack LM. If we ever made these moves we would be crucified. AB is great, but he’s a 2 year rental to get into Vegas. Raiders still need to hit on a young future #1Wr in draft

 

[xwalker]

I don’t follow the pack LM. If we ever made these moves we would be crucified. AB is great, but he’s a 2 year rental to get into Vegas. Raiders still need to hit on a young future #1Wr in draft

Many fans like LM have the mindset that Jerry had for many.years before his son took over the decision making with regards to players.

That mindset is to drool over big names and past production. Jerry over-paid players and traded for players based on this concept.

I'm not saying the Raiders will definitely fail but team building is an exercise in playing the odds. Giving up picks and big cap space for old players is going against the odds.

 

[Brooksey]

Many fans like LM have the mindset that Jerry had for many.years before his son took over the decision making with regards to players.

That mindset is to drool over big names and past production. Jerry over-paid players and traded for players based on this concept.

I'm not saying the Raiders will definitely fail but team building is an exercise in playing the odds. Giving up picks and big cap space for old players is going against the odds.

Agreed, good analogy. Had they held onto Cooper and Mack, then signed a 31 year old veteran star like AB to take them over the top it would make sense. Dumping young talent and acquiring older talent is odd, something is very wrong. In this case I think Davis was embarrassed by what Mack and Cooper when they left did and needed something to excite his LM fan base

 

[Silver N Blue]

You think Brown is going to get the ball from the Raiders like he did from the Steelers? I just don't see how Brown wins except for the cash. Cooper and Brown might have similar states next season.

Gruden’s offense is all about feeding the number one and right now who else is there besides Jordy and Richard out of the backfield.

 

[G2]

This is a decent deal for the Raiders. But, we'll see how productive Brown is with a different QB and offense. I expect him to throw someone under the bus.

 

[mattjames2010]

I don’t follow the pack LM. If we ever made these moves we would be crucified. AB is great, but he’s a 2 year rental to get into Vegas. Raiders still need to hit on a young future #1Wr in draft

And they have multiple picks to do that, which we helped them with....

 

[percyhoward]

It seems that Mark Davis might have lost his nerve after fan criticism

I agree, this looks like an attempt at damage control in the wake of the Cooper fiasco. From the Oakland point of view, the Cooper trade was nothing less than a fiasco, as it made their GM, HC, and QB look bad all at once.

 

[GMO415]

31 vs 24 year of age. I'll stay with Coop

 

[baltcowboy]

Gruden’s offense is all about feeding the number one and right now who else is there besides Jordy and Richard out of the backfield.

Gruden's offenses have not been any good since the sack fumble game that started the Brady dynasty.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Lol. I back Dak. He is not Rothisberger as a passer. Never will be. You need to read my posts. I think Dak is getting 25 plus and I support that.

He doesn't have to be Ben as a passer.

 

[mattjames2010]

Gruden's offenses have not been any good since the sack fumble game that started the Brady dynasty.

Gruden was working with garbage QBs for most of the years he was in Tampa. And no, Carr is not on the level of trash he was dealing with there. They never found their guy (still haven't)