Android Fragmentation: It's Complicated...

[kapolani]

Android’s platform fragmentation is complicated enough for users, but now more confusion looms as Google segregates the smartphone and tablet OS. While Android Honeycomb 3.0 for tablets is in the pipeline, a report from Pocket-lint suggests Google will release a mid-way version of Android for smartphones that can run some Honeycomb apps on phones.

Most Android smartphone users are still waiting to receive the recently introduced Android 2.3 update, which, according to Google’s own figures, is installed on less than one percent of phones on the platform.

http://www.macworld.com/article/157...ragmentation.html?lsrc=rss_weblogs_ioscentral

 

[TheCount]

Which is what I said quite some time ago, the way they are fragmented is going to end up killing them sooner or later unless they figure out a more elegant solution.

Consumers want to just buy "Android", if they have to start researching version numbers of two different OSes, they will just give up and either buy the cheapest option or move away from the OS altogether.

 

[kapolani]

Which is what I said quite some time ago, the way they are fragmented is going to end up killing them sooner or later unless they figure out a more elegant solution.

Consumers want to just buy "Android", if they have to start researching version numbers of two different OSes, they will just give up and either buy the cheapest option or move away from the OS altogether.

I've been saying that time and again.

But, there are others who seem to think I'm making stuff up.

From an software engineering perspective it will be a nightmare.

This is why the walled garden approach is a good business decision.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Let's get this geek war started shall we...

You guys are just apple fan boys and android rules all...

GO!

 

[Dallas]

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Let's all do our civic duty and keep Doctor Phil away from the forum.

 

[YosemiteSam]

http://www.macworld.com/article/157...ragmentation.html?lsrc=rss_weblogs_ioscentral

Sounds like a bunch of Apple fanboy idiots to me.

I love how they are bashing Android because everyone and their grandmother doesn't have Android 2.3 installed when it just recently came out. I'm mean, you can't get much more LAME than that.

Everyone I know who has a iPhone G3 either didn't upgrade to iOS4 or is kicking themselves because they did. Odd that Crapple fanboys point fingers at Android! Ha!

btw, iOS for iPhone, iTouch and iPad while have the same version number, are not the same exact OS. Just thought you should know.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sounds like a bunch of Apple fanboy idiots to me.

I love how they are bashing Android because everyone and their grandmother doesn't have Android 2.3 installed when it just recently came out. I'm mean, you can't get much more LAME than that.

Everyone I know who has a iPhone G3 either didn't upgrade to iOS4 or is kicking themselves because they did. Odd that Crapple fanboys point fingers at Android! Ha!

btw, iOS for iPhone, iTouch and iPad while have the same version number, are not the same exact OS. Just thought you should know.

The gauntlet is thrown.

NYC the HateElf fires a magic missile. It hits. Roll of the 20 gives him a 5 for damage.

 

[kapolani]

I love how they are bashing Android because everyone and their grandmother doesn't have Android 2.3 installed when it just recently came out. I'm mean, you can't get much more LAME than that.

Maybe because it has something to do with the inability to get it in a timely manner.

**edit**

One of your arguments in an earlier thread was that fragmentation is make believe and that most android phones were running the latest and greatest.

Everyone I know who has a iPhone G3 either didn't upgrade to iOS4 or is kicking themselves because they did. Odd that Crapple fanboys point fingers at Android! Ha!

Then they're doing it wrong.

I have the original 3G (not G3 btw) and i'm actually running 4.1. A little laggy but to be expected. If the 'people' you know actually knew something they would know to turn off spotlight search or at least limit the search parameters. Instant speed upgrade because it polls in the background.

btw, iOS for iPhone, iTouch and iPad while have the same version number, are not the same exact OS. Just thought you should know.

I know the answer to this, but I would like to see what your explanation is about the differences. FYI it doesn't limit the apps that can run on any of those devices.

Or are you just regurgitating what you read from Android web forums?



Regardless, fragmentation is real. Whether you want to believe it or not. It's intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.

 

[kapolani]

The gauntlet is thrown.

NYC the HateElf fires a magic missile. It hits. Roll of the 20 gives him a 5 for damage.

I use my super duper wand of deflecting magic missiles and fire a left hook, uppercut to the chin...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I use my super duper wand of deflecting magic missiles and fire a left hook, uppercut to the chin...

Hawaiin Ranger rolls 20 die and hits with 5 damage.

 

[theogt]

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/

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[BrAinPaiNt]

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/

http://img713.*************/img713/5549/1234lj.png

The multilingual cleric throws a chart spell. The roll of the 20 die reveals a 1 damage.

 

[kapolani]

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/17/ios-android-breakdown/

http://img713.*************/img713/5549/1234lj.png

This chart from a software engineering point of view shows me that I now have to support mulitple releases.

I'm not going to say I know what the code changes entail, but it still shows me that I have to potentially add code to handle possible deprecated functions etc.

I see this on a daily basis. It's truly a pain in the buttocks...

 

[kapolani]

The multilingual cleric throws a chart spell. The roll of the 20 die reveals a 1 damage.

You're doing it wrong.

You're supposed to use 3D6 for the damage multiplier.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Maybe because it has something to do with the inability to get it in a timely manner.

**edit**

One of your arguments in an earlier thread was that fragmentation is make believe and that most android phones were running the latest and greatest.

Show me where I said that it was make believe.

Then they're doing it wrong.

I have the original 3G (not G3 btw) and i'm actually running 4.1. A little laggy but to be expected. If the 'people' you know actually knew something they would know to turn off spotlight search or at least limit the search parameters. Instant speed upgrade because it polls in the background.

This is exactly what they mainly complained about. (and a few other things) Though they didn't exactly refer to it as "a little laggy". They where dropping F-Bombs because it took forever to do simple things!

I know the answer to this, but I would like to see what your explanation is about the differences. FYI it doesn't limit the apps that can run on any of those devices.

Or are you just regurgitating what you read from Android web forums?

No I didn't read it anywhere. You as a "programmer" should know it's freaking obvious that it isn't exactly the same! <-- AGAIN!

Regardless, fragmentation is real. Whether you want to believe it or not. It's intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.

Look at theo's post above. Basically a majority of the Android users are on two different versions of Android.... Just like iOS. (iOS3 and iOS4)

Thanks for playing.

nyc casts "take that you fiend" on kapolani for 5 billion damage!
kapolani is dead.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You're doing it wrong.

You're supposed to use 3D6 for the damage multiplier.

Chart spells are pretty weak. He almost missed all together. Only 5% of the chart hit you...hence the low damage.

However since you want to argue with the dungeon master...the added multiplier results in the damage being increased to 5.

 

[kapolani]

No I didn't read it anywhere. You as a "programmer" should know it's freaking obvious that it isn't exactly the same! <-- AGAIN!

Within the context of the fragmentation argument your point is meaningless.

It doesn't limit the user or change the user's experience when running apps etc.

You don't have to change code to 'make' something work on the device.

OTOH the hardware may limit the experience. I.E. devices that don't have a camera can't video chat etc.

Fragmentation is non-existence with regards to IOS.

The more I read your posts/responses the more I'm convinced you have no clue about software architecture/engineering etc.

You may have coded a web app using JScript/HTML etc etc, but we all know those people aren't 'programmers.'

 

[YosemiteSam]

Within the context of the fragmentation argument your point is meaningless.

It doesn't limit the user or change the user's experience when running apps etc.

You don't have to change code to 'make' something work on the device.

OTOH the hardware may limit the experience. I.E. devices that don't have a camera can't video chat etc.

Fragmentation is non-existence with regards to IOS.

The more I read your posts/responses the more I'm convinced you have no clue about software architecture/engineering etc.

You may have coded a web app using JScript/HTML etc etc, but we all know those people aren't 'programmers.'

I've never claimed to be a programmer by trade, though I'm a systems engineer. I build infrastructure for enterprises and Internet hosting facilities. (networks, servers, storage, and software) Just because I don't write operating systems, damn sure doesn't mean I don't know them and understand how they inter-populate with the hardware they reside on.

As for programming itself, I can write in C/C++, Bash, Python, PHP, Perl, Basic, and I started to learning Java, but have only written a few small utility type apps in it before I stopped messing with it. Currently, Python is my weapon of choice. It's quick and painless development. I write my OSS projects in and almost all of my administration utilities in it.

You are quite wrong if you say iOS3 and iOS4 don't have fragmentation. My wife found out first hand that she can't run apps build specifically for v4. When she tried to install it, it said that she had to upgrade because it wasn't compatible with iOS3. (she has an iTouch)

So, take your fragmentation argument and stuff it in your iOS toilet! :laugh2:

 

[theogt]

The multilingual cleric throws a chart spell. The roll of the 20 die reveals a 1 damage.

Community reference?

:laugh2: