Android Fragmentation: It's Complicated...

[theogt]

You are quite wrong if you say iOS3 and iOS4 don't have fragmentation. My wife found out first hand that she can't run apps build specifically for v4. When she tried to install it, it said that she had to upgrade because it wasn't compatible with iOS3. (she has an iTouch)

That sort of fragmentation is very rare on the iPhone and when it does happen, it does not last long, unless the developer abandons the program. The reason it doesn't last long is because typically over 90% of iPhone users adopt the latest software update, thus the developer's primary focus is always the latest version.

 

[kapolani]

You are quite wrong if you say iOS3 and iOS4 don't have fragmentation. My wife found out first hand that she can't run apps build specifically for v4. When she tried to install it, it said that she had to upgrade because it wasn't compatible with iOS3. (she has an iTouch)

So, take your fragmentation argument and stuff it in your iOS toilet! :laugh2:

Well of course you can't run something that's built specifically for a certain OS build. Likewise with video games etc. If the hardware/OS can't support it, the hardware/OS can't support it. You think you can bust out a windows box running 3.1 and get Starcraft II up and running?

Furthermore, the apps for IOS4 _could_ run on a IOS3 etc device if they wanted it too. Jailbroken devices do it all the time. Apple denies it because it changes the user experience i.e. lag etc.

That is entirely different than writing an app for a device from a multitude of manufacturers who have injected their code within the baseline, thus changing how certain events are handled etc. UI events on Android 2.3 on a Samsung device may be entirely different than UI events on a HTC device.

Major difference...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Community reference?

:laugh2:

Never watched the show. More of a D&D geek reference. All in good fun.

 

[YosemiteSam]

That sort of fragmentation is very rare on the iPhone and when it does happen, it does not last long, unless the developer abandons the program. The reason it doesn't last long is because typically over 90% of iPhone users adopt the latest software update, thus the developer's primary focus is always the latest version.

Who told you that, Steve?

 

[theogt]

Never watched the show. More of a D&D geek reference. All in good fun.

They had an episode that was devoted to D&D, with some lines similar to yours in the show.

 

[kapolani]

Who told you that, Steve?

Furthermore, the apps for IOS4 _could_ run on a IOS3 etc device if they wanted it too. Jailbroken devices do it all the time. Apple denies it because it changes the user experience i.e. lag etc.

BumbleBee Tuna...

 

[theogt]

Who told you that, Steve?

No, the Tech Crunch article to which I linked earlier in this thread.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Who told you that, Steve?

Well...I have not exp any problem at all. But then I started with 4 so who knows.

I just know I have downloaded a buttload (that is WV talk for a bunch) of apps and have not had trouble with any of them on the 4.

I think it is easier for Apple/iphone to control that issue than others since they are limited in the phones and OS on said phones.

Where the other is working with phones from all different manufacturers.

It would seem to be a pretty logical conclusion from that standpoint that Apple would have less worry with this specific issue than the android (or whatever the specific OS name is).

Sexy Mountain Man warrior throws block spell.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

They had an episode that was devoted to D&D, with some lines similar to yours in the show.

They hired miss cleo and stole my lines.

You are a lawyer right?...Can I sue?!?!

 

[YosemiteSam]

Never watched the show. More of a D&D geek reference. All in good fun.

I'm trying to remember where the spell "take that you fiend" came from. It was either D&D, Tunnels and Trolls, or Rifts. I think it was Tunnels and Trolls.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm trying to remember where the spell "take that you fiend" came from. It was either D&D, Tunnels and Trolls, or Rifts. I think it was Tunnels and Trolls.

Don't remember that one. Actually I don't remember a great deal of the stuff as it has been so long ago.

 

[YosemiteSam]

No, the Tech Crunch article to which I linked earlier in this thread.

The point is, where did they get it? Correct, Steve. We all know we can trust what he says as FACT! :laugh2:

 

[theogt]

Well...I have not exp any problem at all. But then I started with 4 so who knows.

I just know I have downloaded a buttload (that is WV talk for a bunch) of apps and have not had trouble with any of them on the 4.

I think it is easier for Apple/iphone to control that issue than others since they are limited in the phones and OS on said phones.

Where the other is working with phones from all different manufacturers.

It would seem to be a pretty logical conclusion from that standpoint that Apple would have less worry with this specific issue than the android (or whatever the specific OS name is).

Sexy Mountain Man warrior throws block spell.

This is the age old Apple/anti-Apple argument.

Yes, Apple keeps a much tighter control on their product than other companies. Typically that's not a good thing. But the reason Apple does so is not because they're control freaks -- but because they want the product to work properly. That's a tough stance to take, because it means you have to be on the cutting edge across the board. Otherwise, your product becomes outdated too quickly and no one adopts. But keep one step ahead of the rest has been Apple's strength with the iPhone.

 

[Vtwin]

Sounds like a bunch of Apple fanboy idiots to me.

I love how they are bashing Android because everyone and their grandmother doesn't have Android 2.3 installed when it just recently came out. I'm mean, you can't get much more LAME than that.

Everyone I know who has a iPhone G3 either didn't upgrade to iOS4 or is kicking themselves because they did. Odd that Crapple fanboys point fingers at Android! Ha!

btw, iOS for iPhone, iTouch and iPad while have the same version number, are not the same exact OS. Just thought you should know.

And these fanboys don't seem to know that are are some great developers out there who tweak the lastest versions making them better faster and without the carriers crap on them.

I hate to keep picking on them but they make it so darn easy.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Don't remember that one. Actually I don't remember a great deal of the stuff as it has been so long ago.

Yep, Tunnels and Trolls.

 

[theogt]

The point is, where did they get it? Correct, Steve. We all know we can trust what he says as FACT! :laugh2:

They got it from the developer of Bump, a popular iPhone app, who openly shared his customer demographics. From December 1, 2010 to January 18, 2011, 96% of Bump users were on iOS 4.0+.

 

[YosemiteSam]

They got it the developer of Bump, a popular iPhone app, who openly shared his customer demographics. From December 1, 2010 to January 18, 2011, 96% of Bump users were on iOS 4.0+.

Do you and kapolani do the Bump? :

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

They got it the developer of Bump, a popular iPhone app, who openly shared his customer demographics. From December 1, 2010 to January 18, 2011, 96% of Bump users were on iOS 4.0+.

Something else to consider with just the OS. (not talking about the apps initially made for OS3 being compatible with OS4). Just the OS.

Most Iphone users will have the latests updates because most will update it when hooking into Itunes. If they don't check on their own, sometimes they are prompted to check.

 

[theogt]

Do you and kapolani do the Bump? :

It's funny how you want to include the iTouch when comparing which operating system to operating system (for purposes of fragmentation), but you only want to include iPhone sales when comparing the Android operating system's sales to the iOS operating system.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Something else to consider with just the OS. (not talking about the apps initially made for OS3 being compatible with OS4). Just the OS.

Most Iphone users will have the latests updates because most will update it when hooking into Itunes. If they don't check on their own, sometimes they are prompted to check.

I think the update from 3->4 cost money. I know my wife paid for an upgrade at one point.