Another Bengal (A.J. Nicholson) arrested for the second time

[BouncingCheese]

Nothing has happened to vick - YET. You are claiming something that has no evidence to support you. There is no doubt that Vick is getting close to something happening to him- but lets be honest here: Henry and Pacman have been in a lot more trouble in a much shorter period of time.

Vick is an established an known figure in the NFL to even semi-casual fans...Pacman JUST came into his own this past season and Henry less so.

Had Vick been a less-known or backup player he would have been charged or punished by Goodell, or at least will be.

I am arguing that if Pacman was a known Pro-bowl player in the spotlight, would Goodell and the NFL have the nuts to suspend him? This is the crux of the situation...the NFL is at a moral crossroads IMO, because they need to decide wether or not to punish players of Vicks' stature should they get into trouble because either you choose to suspend them and keep them off the field and have fans dissapointed ( and Vick is THE reason to watch Falcons games, lets not kid ourselves) and not see them play, or let them play and loose credibililty to the whole leaguewide vendetta against players getting arrested.

If vick gets off on these charges which he very may will even though the evidence is there IMO, lesser players may feel that if Vick can get off of the charges, then why can't I?

 

[Biggems]

I feel sorry for guys like Palmer, Rudi, Ocho Cinco, and TJ WHosyourmomma

These guys have to suffer through all this knucklehead crap. They could be a very good team if not for all these fools.

BTW, it stinks what happened to that kid from Georgia.....I really wanted Dallas to get him. His name escapes me at the moment, but I thought he was gonna be a very good DE/OLB in the NFL.......(I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ODELL THURMAN)....just as he starts his career, injuries take it away

 

[WoodysGirl]

He's not very famous and this won't get national news, so he'll probably be treated differently by Roger "Double Standard" Goodell.

You know what's interesting. I read something yesterday that said Pacman probably would've gotten either six months or six games (something like that), but the fact he went to a strip club the night before the first hearing pissed Goodell off.

I'll have to search to find where I read it. But it's in some stories where they're suggesting Tank Johnson may only get 6-8 games due to him having served real time.

Hammering down on Chris Henry and Pac-man, but giving Vick a walk.

I don't think you can jump to that conclusion about Vick. I don't think there's enough so far to sit him down.

 

[Da Hammer]

Seriously how is it that the Bengals have not been punished yet for not being able to take care of their players??? Its freaking pathetic!!!

 

[JPM]

Seriously how is it that the Bengals have not been punished yet for not being able to take care of their players??? Its freaking pathetic!!!

I think if this was Dallas, the organization, and head coach would be punished. But maybe I'm just cynical.

 

[Da Hammer]

I think if this was Dallas, the organization, and head coach would be punished. But maybe I'm just cynical.

i am really begining to hate our new commisioner so far for being inconsistent with his punishments for players that break the law...

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is the crux of the situation...the NFL is at a moral crossroads IMO, because they need to decide wether or not to punish players of Vicks' stature should they get into trouble

All players regardless of stature will be treated equally by Goodell.

You really think the league would set itself up for failure by going easy on marquee guys?

 

[miamicowboy21]

He went to F$U, what did you expect. He from his own teammates apartment. The guy has no character.

 

[big dog cowboy]

i am really begining to hate our new commisioner so far for being inconsistent with his punishments for players that break the law...

Exactly which players are you referring to?

Best as I can recall he has been spot on so far.

 

[theogt]

I don't think you can jump to that conclusion about Vick. I don't think there's enough so far to sit him down.

This is the problem with Goodell's program. No one really knows whether Vick has done enough to get suspended or not. What's suspendable behavior and what isn't? Sure, the best decision is to simply be a squeaky clean citizen, but where's the line drawn?

 

[BouncingCheese]

All players regardless of stature will be treated equally by Goodell.

You really think the league would set itself up for failure by going easy on marquee guys?

Absolutely.... Look at the NBA... Dwayne Wade gets to the foul line a ridiculous amount of times a game on shadow fouls... It is a star system there, and I am sure that if Vick goes scotch-free that the same will happen here.

I don't think the league will set it self up for failiure as much as being incredibly hypocritical and unfair.

 

[Jimz31]

This is one of those times where you just shake your head in amazement.

That's exactly what I did when I read the thread title.

It's gotta be something in the water in Cincy or something...it's just getting utterly ridiculous.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This is the problem with Goodell's program. No one really knows whether Vick has done enough to get suspended or not. What's suspendable behavior and what isn't? Sure, the best decision is to simply be a squeaky clean citizen, but where's the line drawn?

With the other cats, it was about pattern of behavior. It was clear every time they were accused of something, that they were involved. This Nicholson cat was a knucklehead before he was even drafted and yet the Bengals still took him. They should be held accountable too.

With Vick, for giving the finger, he was fined by Tags. The next step in discipline for anything similar should be a suspension.

With Goodell, I think they're trying to weed out all the speculation and rhetoric and get down to the facts. What needs to be clear, IMO, is did he know. It won't even matter how much, if it can be proven that he knew anything. There's a lot of birds chirping, but if nothing can be proven, I don't know if it merits a suspension. He could still be disciplined by being fined. Slap on the wrist, true, but that would be the least could be done because he did bring another black eye to the league.

 

[joseephuss]

Then there's Haynesworth. He gets a lower suspension when his actions were on-the-field and worse than anything Pac-man's ever done.

The whole supension thing was and is building. It is a learning process. Haynesworth got a record suspension for an on the field incident against another player. It was only one single incident. Pacman and Henry have been in multiple ones since entering the NFL and were in a few while in college. Their suspensions are unprecedented and will set the standard for future players. I guess Goodell was supposed to get everything right according to your standards from the very beginning.

 

[superpunk]

This is the problem with Goodell's program. No one really knows whether Vick has done enough to get suspended or not. What's suspendable behavior and what isn't? Sure, the best decision is to simply be a squeaky clean citizen, but where's the line drawn?

My guess is at on-field assault resulting in a sever gash needing stitches.

Oh wait...

 

[theogt]

With the other cats, it was about pattern of behavior. It was clear every time they were accused of something, that they were involved. This Nicholson cat was a knucklehead before he was even drafted and yet the Bengals still took him. They should be held accountable too.

With Vick, for giving the finger, he was fined by Tags. The next step in discipline for anything similar should be a suspension.

With Goodell, I think they're trying to weed out all the speculation and rhetoric and get down to the facts. What needs to be clear, IMO, is did he know. It won't even matter how much, if it can be proven that he knew anything. There's a lot of birds chirping, but if nothing can be proven, I don't know if it merits a suspension. He could still be disciplined by being fined. Slap on the wrist, true, but that would be the least could be done because he did bring another black eye to the league.

So how much pattern is enough pattern? Flipping off fans, getting caught with suspicion of drugs, and then the dog-fighting incident apparently isn't enough pattern. What if he gets a jay-walking ticket, now. Is that enough pattern?

This is only Nicholson's 2nd arrest. Is that pattern?

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm not disputing that things have piled up on Vick. But the flipping off fans was dealt with. The suspicion of drugs gives him a black eye, but he was exonerated.

When I say pattern of behavior, it's about the fact that Pacman and Henry's name has appeared pretty regularly in a police blotter. And the fact that there was no sign that they were trying to give up their knucklehead tendencies.

The dog fight is the only thing Vick has against him and it's the worst of the worst. The league has to be real sure that he was involved. If he's charged in any way or there is some sign of legit involvement, then I think he'll get suspended. But why should Goodell do anything now, when there's nothing solid he can point to and say this is why he's getting punished.

I've no idea what will happen against Nicholson. But the type of things he was charged with are pretty bad, too. Stealing from teammates and assault?

 

[Jay-D]

I know 2 people who know Marvin Lewis personally and they say that the guy is quite the party animal. He gets in a bar and starts throwing money around and buying everybody drinks and whatnot.....and I heard this back before the Bengals started getting in all this trouble constantly.......like back when he was with the Commanders. Apparantly there were times when he actually had to be escorted out of the bar.

Of course Lewis can't control his players 24/7 but maybe the example is being set by him?

 

[theogt]

I'm not disputing that things have piled up on Vick. But the flipping off fans was dealt with. The suspicion of drugs gives him a black eye, but he was exonerated.

When I say pattern of behavior, it's about the fact that Pacman and Henry's name has appeared pretty regularly in a police blotter. And the fact that there was no sign that they were trying to give up their knucklehead tendencies.

The dog fight is the only thing Vick has against him and it's the worst of the worst. The league has to be real sure that he was involved. If he's charged in any way or there is some sign of legit involvement, then I think he'll get suspended. But why should Goodell do anything now, when there's nothing solid he can point to and say this is why he's getting punished.

I've no idea what will happen against Nicholson. But the type of things he was charged with are pretty bad, too. Stealing from teammates and assault?

None of us do. He could be suspended for 6+ weeks or not even get a meeting with Goodell. We're just sort of waiting on Goodell to decide each and every players' fate.

Shouldn't a player have a reasonable idea as to whether his livelihood will be taken away or what actions would result in suspension? Or should it be left to the whim of a single individual? Honestly, Goodell has set up zero standard for review.

 

[burmafrd]

OGT, what part of PRIVLEDGE of playing in the NFL do you NOT understand. You want a copy of our monstrosity of a legal system there- well it will not happen. I am glad Goodell can just chop them off at the knees and there is nothing they can do about it. Its time this happened. People whinning and making excuses and crying about "due process" in this situation in the NFL make me throw up. Stupidiy should be rewarded with loss of limbs. Glad to see it happening.