Another game lost due to referee bias

[ActualCowboysFan]

Other posts don't alter the fact that those statements are not an accurate reflection of the rules.

First, many umpires and referees at lower levels got into their jobs because they are sports fans.And they're probably more of a fan of local teams because they likely know on a personal level more of the kids playing and more of the coaches.

Second, where do you think refs in the NFL come from? They come from the lower leagues and graduate through the ranks.

Third, in all leagues where you're getting paid money (and I get paid umpiring), you are graded on your performance. You don't get the better games if you are inconsistent in your duties or someone suspects you of cheating.

Fourth, do you know how many refs in the lower levels would LOVE to be NFL referees? Because of the sheer numbers, every ref is going to be as careful as he possibly can to avoid bias because of the tremendous opportunity he has to referee professional football.

Fifth, these guys aren't refereeing kids. They're refereeing games with men who are bigger, stronger and faster than they. Do you HONESTLY think they're doing to purposely do something to piss these men off?

Sixth, in order for you to say there's an immense difference you would have to have the experience to compare the two. Have you ever been an NFL ref? Do you have the testimony of an NFL ref who says it is different? And HOW are the two different? You say they are different but don't explain how. I'd be interested in hearing your insight, especially since you've never officiated an NFL game.

Seventh, at least I have experience calling games. And the things I've shared are basic, human attitudes about officiating games. That much I know. And I'm telling you that refs aren't purposely trying to make calls against teams because they don't like them. Why? Because it's not what you're thinking about when you're more concerned about making the right call. There have been calls I've made against people I know and like. I made a game winning call for a team with a coach I can't stand. When I'm in the game I'm not thinking, "I don't like this coach so let me call his player out." I'm more focused on the play and making the right call. How much more if your every call can be viewed by millions of people?

Dude calling others elementary while writing a book in defense of the position that little league referees are comparable to the NFL. Takes all kinds I guess.

 

[DogFace]

It's pretty obvious you have serious issues keeping up and reading threads. The fact that you had to reply 5 times to try and explain something that Sultan and I went through all yesterday says a lot. And AGAIN you are highly confused on face guarding. Stop trying to act like you even remotely know what is going on. The ref said he thought face guarding was from his angle but that is only a college rule. The rule that Tyke brought up that you whiffed on completely was about turning his head. You refuse to go back and read the conversation but face guarding is not part of that equation. It's embarrassing you can't keep up. Also, the hold was not within 5 yards so that is blatantly false and was confirmed by the league and the PI was too as I put a slow motion video in here that shows it and even Sultan conceded it looked like a push not due to the facemask. Speaking of drinking..stop posting thread splatter in the middle of the night. It's nonsense. Right now my advice is to stop while behind. I admitted even with a facemask it's still Detroits ball, replay 3rd down...though Blandino said it wasn't a foul after watching. Here you go enjoy...no head turned, contact with a push, impeding TE who came for ball. Beast from East and others not being homer agree

https://vine.co/v/OdpLdDFP3rW


And By the way I do think what players say matter because they play the game and are on the field vs sit in a board making up rules.

Convienetly and predictably your vine left out the facemask that prompted the arm slap. Your post is pathetic.

 

[tyke1doe]

Other posts don't alter the fact that those statements are not an accurate reflection of the rules.

I don't even know what you're talking about. Sorry.

Dude calling others elementary while writing a book in defense of the position that little league referees are comparable to the NFL. Takes all kinds I guess.

Please, go back to sleep. You apparently have a binary understanding of the world. You think that there's an equal and exclusive relationship between all comparisons.

I, however, can recognize when comparisons do apply and when they DON'T apply.

People who apply multi-dimensional thinking to issues of life can understand the similarities of comparing a little league umpire to a professional NFL referee and understand the differences and how far NOT to carry that comparison.

Learn how to differentiate between the two before you jump into someone else's discussion.

 

[DogFace]

This is where you want this conversation to go. You couldn't address any of the points I've made. You couldn't give an answer to why you think officiating in the little league is different than officiating in the pros.
You can't recognize the fundamental similarities in attitudes and mentality between the two or that one provides a foundation for the other.

Instead, you want to make a big deal about umpiring in little league baseball.

Again, at least I have experience in real time officiating games where I have to make split-second decisions. I've been doing this for close to five years. And the mechanics of what I do and how I arrive at my decisions are similar in how professional referees do it - regardless of the level.

I KNOW what I'm talking about, and I - at the very least - have experience as an umpire to back up my claim.

All you have is grammar-school jokes and a kindergarten-level belief that referees make calls based on their favorite teams.

So continue on with what you do best. I'll discuss with someone who wants to communicate on a mature, adult level.

My driving actions are similar to a nascar drivers. Am I ready for NASCAR? Can I compare my experiences driving to the experience a nascar driver's experience.

My kindergarten level beliefs match your kindergarten level experience in officiating.

 

[tyke1doe]

My driving actions are similar to a nascar drivers. Am I ready for NASCAR? Can I compare my experiences driving to the experience a nascar driver's experience.

My kindergarten level beliefs match your kindergarten level experience in officiating.

Exactly what I highlighted in my above post. Got anything else?

 

[DogFace]

I don't even know what you're talking about. Sorry.



Please, go back to sleep. You apparently have a binary understanding of the world. You think that there's an equal and exclusive relationship between all comparisons.

I, however, can recognize when comparisons do apply and when they DON'T apply.

People who apply multi-dimensional thinking to issues of life can understand the similarities of comparing a little league umpire to a professional NFL referee and understand the differences and how far NOT to carry that comparison.

Learn how to differentiate between the two before you jump into someone else's discussion.

If nothing else.(I'm betting nothing) you're very very comical

Thanks for a true laugh out loud moment.

 

[DogFace]

Exactly what I highlighted in my above post. Got anything else?

Yes. Tell me some other professional jobs/careers where I can apply rudimentary knowledge and experience to understand what they do.

Teach us all your multi-dimensional thinking skills!!!
Please.

 

[tyke1doe]

If nothing else.(I'm betting nothing) you're very very comical

Thanks for a true laugh out loud moment.

Exactly as I highlighted above. Keep it going. You certainly aren't dissappointing.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes. Tell me some other professional jobs/careers where I can apply rudimentary knowledge and experience to understand what they do.

Teach us all your multi-dimensional thinking skills!!!
Please.

Exactly as I pointed out previously. Got anything else?

 

[DogFace]

Exactly as I pointed out previously. Got anything else?

Yes.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes.

I ask you legitimate questions and you can't answer them. But you will go on and on about this.
If anything, it reveals you're an expert on something.

 

[Miller]

Convienetly and predictably your vine left out the facemask that prompted the arm slap. Your post is pathetic.

Again, personal attack because you looked foolish not knowing the face guarding rules...or any for that matter. And again you look just as bad. You are leaving out the hold, which I posted a pic of and the league confirmed. Also the facemask isn't shown because as you can tell it has nothing to do with his shove. In fact there is no swiping. He is pushing him as his hands come up to catch..NOT from his facemask. I've already said there is a facemask so the Lions would still have ball with offsetting. But you can't piece posts together and haven't attended RIF in 2015 so comprehension is lost. I look forward to your 5 responses since you can't put together coherent posts. The league confirmed the hold and DPI. The pics showed it. In fact you can make argument that the hold caused everything.

By the way, every rules expert has mentioned the head turn. If he's not turning with his contact it doesn't matter what happened before. He NEVER played the ball and Hitchens was quoted, that I posted and u missed, that he needed to work on turning his head and recovery

 

[Miller]

I ask you legitimate questions and you can't answer them. But you will go on and on about this.
If anything, it reveals you're an expert on something.

He does this in threads all the time. It's like posting with Rain Man. He turned being wrong about face guarding and the rules into 20 posts that muddled it more

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I don't even know what you're talking about. Sorry.



Please, go back to sleep. You apparently have a binary understanding of the world. You think that there's an equal and exclusive relationship between all comparisons.

I, however, can recognize when comparisons do apply and when they DON'T apply.

People who apply multi-dimensional thinking to issues of life can understand the similarities of comparing a little league umpire to a professional NFL referee and understand the differences and how far NOT to carry that comparison.

Learn how to differentiate between the two before you jump into someone else's discussion.

There isn't a comparison. Sorry man. You keep on trying to paint people with a much firmer grasp of the situation as childish. Yours is the position that lacks nuance. You and your toadie have spent 10 pages missing the whole point that the play in question came down to discretion. You have repeatedly refrenced Hitchens failure to turn as evidence of PI. It's not. You attempting to appeal to your own authority as a freaking little league umpire is just the icing on the cake of your own self delusion. And quit with the personal attacks. You bend over backwards to concern troll everyone about only questioning their opinions. But you resort to calling people with a different understanding, of another person's discretion mind you, elementary. It's hypocritical and not befitting of board policy. Do better or stick to T Ball.

 

[tyke1doe]

There isn't a comparison. Sorry man. You keep on trying to paint people with a much firmer grasp of the situation as childish. Yours is the position that lacks nuance. You and your toadie have spent 10 pages missing the whole point that the play in question came down to discretion. You have repeatedly refrenced Hitchens failure to turn as evidence of PI. It's not. You attempting to appeal to your own authority as a freaking little league umpire is just the icing on the cake of your own self delusion. And quit with the personal attacks. You bend over backwards to concern troll everyone about only questioning their opinions. But you resort to calling people with a different understanding, of another person's discretion mind you, elementary. It's hypocritical and not befitting of board policy. Do better or stick to T Ball.

I'm trolling, yet you're getting involved in a discussion that has nothing to do with you.

Much firmer grasp than I?

Funny how these people with a firmer grasp than I never give their credentials and never address the points at issue.

Oh, and if you actually understood reading in context, you would understand that my experience as a baseball umpire has NOTHING to do with my ability to discern whether Hitchens committed pass interference. Rather, I offered my umpire experience as a reason why I don't believe NFL referees are bias. And, in particular, I said because referees are trying their best to make the call on the field - something ALL referees and umpires are concerned with - and because they are evaluated for consistency, fairness and other qualities necessary to progress in the profession, they're not likely to cater to bias.

Go back to sleep, dude. You can't even interpret arguments in their proper context.

 

[BigD5]

The Dez call never happens if not for Lions being jobbed in game vs us. Also people are misinterpreting Dez flack. Most of us agree it should be called a catch. However it WASNT a catch under the dumb NFL rules. The rules are what people want changed.

The Lions got jobbed? Haha not hardly. Matt Stafford threw the ball hoping the refs would bail him out. He had zero intention of completing that pass. So I don't feel sorry for him or the Lions.

It's also hard to feel bad for another team that loses a game on a call when in my 35 years of watching Dallas Cowboys football I've personally witnessed, like all of you have, the Cowboys get screwed on several calls that cost us games through the years.

Hell how many plays have went against us this year alone?

Roughing Romo in wk 1 vs njg.

OPI on Street vs njg and he didn't even touch anybody.

Seattle too many men fiasco.

Jeff Heath hit vs Seattle shouldn't have been flagged. Or his defensive holding vs TB. Winston was downfield already and it was a weak hold at best.

Two fumbles that went against us vs njj.

All the pick plays the patriots ran against us, yet we've been called on just about every one we've tried this season.

Have we won a single challenge this yr? Or has any challenge that could go either way, went our way this year?

 

[DogFace]

Again, personal attack because you looked foolish not knowing the face guarding rules...or any for that matter. And again you look just as bad. You are leaving out the hold, which I posted a pic of and the league confirmed. Also the facemask isn't shown because as you can tell it has nothing to do with his shove. In fact there is no swiping. He is pushing him as his hands come up to catch..NOT from his facemask. I've already said there is a facemask so the Lions would still have ball with offsetting. But you can't piece posts together and haven't attended RIF in 2015 so comprehension is lost. I look forward to your 5 responses since you can't put together coherent posts. The league confirmed the hold and DPI. The pics showed it. In fact you can make argument that the hold caused everything.

By the way, every rules expert has mentioned the head turn. If he's not turning with his contact it doesn't matter what happened before. He NEVER played the ball and Hitchens was quoted, that I posted and u missed, that he needed to work on turning his head and recovery

First, criticizing your post as pathetic isn't a personal attack. It's an attack on the quality of your post. Someone who accuses others of not reading all the posts isn't reading all the posts!!(you) I said at least twice they could've called the hold. They didn't.

Predictably ,You didn't include the facemask because it showed clearly, as others have told you as well, that Hichens was knocking his hand off his mask by pushing his arm. That swipe continued until the uncatchable ball hit him in the middle of the back. Why you specifically strarted your vine right after it is very transparent. It reveals who you are and what your pathetic, childlike argument is about. Nothing that actually happened.

The head turn is not significant because Pettigrew grabbed his mask and the ref correctly, for once, judged Hichens to be pushing his hand away. The contact was clearly initiated by the offensive player.

You don't believe in my rules knowledge, reading skills, or post replying ability . Your insult hurts my feelings. I may cry if you keep being so mean.

 

[DogFace]

I ask you legitimate questions and you can't answer them. But you will go on and on about this.
If anything, it reveals you're an expert on something.

You feel those questions are legitimate? You also believe umpiring toddlers is a good thing to bring up to demonstrate experience. It's clear. You lack good judgment. That's why you can't see this play for what it is. A good no call.

Hichens was simply allowed to knock his hand from his facemask. Couple that with the uncatchable pass that hit him in the middle of the back and it's a good job of the refs to huddle and discuss the rules and pick up the flag.

 

[Miller]

First, criticizing your post as pathetic isn't a personal attack. It's an attack on the quality of your post. Someone who accuses others of not reading all the posts isn't reading all the posts!!(you) I said at least twice they could've called the hold. They didn't.

Predictably ,You didn't include the facemask because it showed clearly, as others have told you as well, that Hichens was knocking his hand off his mask by pushing his arm. That swipe continued until the uncatchable ball hit him in the middle of the back. Why you specifically strarted your vine right after it is very transparent. It reveals who you are and what your pathetic, childlike argument is about. Nothing that actually happened.

The head turn is not significant because Pettigrew grabbed his mask and the ref correctly, for once, judged Hichens to be pushing his hand away. The contact was clearly initiated by the offensive player.

You don't believe in my rules knowledge, reading skills, or post replying ability . Your insult hurts my feelings. I may cry if you keep being so mean.

Well it seems you haven't learned a thing pre-holiday in RIF because I spent 3 pages talking with Sultan that not only was there a facemask but that it happended after the hold. But again you skipped any smart discussion and went straight for insults, again here, because it's the last hope of those whose ignorance is on display while showing their tail. Also if you watch the Vine, as Sultan did, you can see that the TEs hands were at his side, not in the defenders facemask, therefore Hitchens was not swiping it away as he pushed on the shoulder of the player. But you can't see that because you didn't even know what the rule for PI or face guarding was. I'll take my word along with those of other Cowboys on the field, the head of refs, the league and other ex players, Cowboys and otherwise that said it was Interference. I think a majority here agree too reading the comments of many smart posters. But hey you can keep up with your made up rules and inability to know football. Enjoy the holidays. Maybe you can figure out false starts during the Buffalo game. Off to talk to my 8, 6 and 3 yr olds so I can switch back to intelligent conversations with people who have sense.

 

[Miller]

You feel those questions are legitimate? You also believe umpiring toddlers is a good thing to bring up to demonstrate experience. It's clear. You lack good judgment. That's why you can't see this play for what it is. A good no call.

Hichens was simply allowed to knock his hand from his facemask. Couple that with the uncatchable pass that hit him in the middle of the back and it's a good job of the refs to huddle and discuss the rules and pick up the flag.

I love how your also saying the pass was uncatchable when a) it was and b) the defender stopped it from being so by interfering. Uncatchable is not part of the rule here and only applies to balls way over heads or not close to. WR. Your lack of football rules is staggering. You're parroting Sultan because your still confused on fave guarding..lol. Keep going with the "swiping" bs too since both video and pics show a push on the shoulder pad with TEs hands coming up(not from the helmet) . Enjoy Christmas under the rock you live under..lol. I hope my present is 10 more disconnected responses from you! Please Santa