Another game lost due to referee bias

[Miller]

I don't agree with you on this. The majority of people involved with the NFL stated that Dez absolutely caught the ball and made a football move. The side judge Terry Brown also right on the play made the same judgment on the field. Then Dean Blandino tried to cover his tracks by citing the Calvin Johnson rule (which by the way was considered the wrong call at the time too). Blandino and his cronies have spent this entire season trying to justify that clearly biased call against Dallas. This has led to so many ridiculous overturns this year that they will undoubtably rewrite the catch rule this offseason.

I do agree with you that the call in the Lions game led to this call. All of which to me screams of NFL shadiness and bias.

We agree on a lot here. But I'm not sure Blandino got it wrong...the rule..I think people have a problem with interpretation..again of a DUMB rule. His ruling post game was regarding Dez maintaining control while making a football move. I think the crux was the dive. Was the dive a football move or falling to the ground..thus hitting and losing control. He claims the dive wasn't a football move thus the fall and ball popping up make it a non-catch. It doesn't matter now but you are right..as I stated above too..this year has seen the rule overturn a huge amount of receptions where the ball wiggles when the player lands. It definitely needs to be reviewed and redone. I always thought the old, catch and 2 steps was good enough but I read this is the 3rd or 4th interpretation in 3 years now.

 

[tyke1doe]

I would be ok with the Hitchens play being offsetting penalties. They picked the flag up. I've seen worse non-calls for sure. To give Hitchens a pi would have been injustice because a defender can't turn his head when his face mask is being pulled or pushed backward.

But Hitchens had a hand full of the receiver's jersey while the ball is in the air. That's pass interference.

You see the repeated control issues and overturns NOW because the league has embarrassed itself with the horrific overturn on the Dez play. It is their only hope to save face from the gaping *** **** that Blandino administered to the Cowboys vs GB.

There comes a point in the history of the game where a call is made that changes the dynamics of football and the rules of the game. We saw it with the Bert Emanuel "non-catch" in the NFC Championship Game between Tampa Bay and St. Louis.

We saw it with the Roy Williams "horse collar" of TO in the Cowboys vs. Eagles game.

The same with the Dez call. I thought it was a catch initially, but I understand why they called it a non-catch upon replay.

Be that as it may, the rule needs to be clarified. However, human judgment and human error will factor into everything human. So don't expect even if we clarify the rules that's going to make it error-free forever.

We're going to be stuck with imperfection as humans. That's what makes us, well, human.

 

[Miller]

I would be ok with the Hitchens play being offsetting penalties. They picked the flag up. I've seen worse non-calls for sure. To give Hitchens a pi would have been injustice because a defender can't turn his head when his face mask is being pulled or pushed backward.

You see the repeated control issues and overturns NOW because the league has embarrassed itself with the horrific overturn on the Dez play. It is their only hope to save face from the gaping *** **** that Blandino administered to the Cowboys vs GB.

I'll stop the debate after this but I'm glad you brought up offsetting because the "edit" timed out when writing it above. Even if he did touch the facemask, which doesn't really show in video provided by Sultan, there is no reason to believe Hitchens was turning his head. His back was to him with arms up a majority of the play. Watch it from both angles. His head didn't even move down. Also, you guys talk about inadvertent. So Hitchens isn't playing the ball, he is grabbing Pettigrew and Pettigrew reaches back towards facemask and then Hitchens grabs his shoulder preball and tackles him. So you had Hitchens grabbing jersey for a hold..not called...an alleged facemask that can't be confirmed because you don't see Hitchens head get pulled down, sideways, etc(I've not even seen the players use this in debating it)...Hitchens with his back turned and arm on the shoulder...picked up...and ..just Pettigrews arm extended fighting for the ball while being interfered with. Even if it is offsetting, its replay the down and the Lions get another chance. Less unfair than losing the ball. There is nothing unjust there. Hitchens had already grabbed him by jersey and was pulling him before the other stuff happened. Hitchens was never turning and there is nothing showing he planned on it as he already was lunging at him the whole route. Any scenario here and the Lions still have a game won or a chance to again win it.

 

[tyke1doe]

From the picture, that's pass interference all day long. If that involved Dez Bryant and the flag were picked up, this forum would go full meltdown mode.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Raise your hand if you're surprised that a bunch of people who spend all their time here concern trolling other fans, parroting every piece of conventional wisdom they see, bashing every player and member of the organization, and trotting out lame unsupported arguments to "criticize other's opinions" are leading this charge. I'm not. These people have spent so much time trying to appear unbiased that they don't realize they've tilted to the opposite and are now guilty of the very thing they criticize others for.

 

[DogFace]

Already did in another post right up from here. So yes I can..called RIF, try it. And a majority of your examples didn't decide a game. You are assuming they were wrong on bias. We have a horrible team. You don't know what happens after a fumble. You don't know if the other team game plans different if we say kick a FG. Not one player on the team has blamed the refs. Lee said they deserved every loss...a player. It hasn't even been a local media discussion and Jerry hasn't even brought it up. But somehow you know better. Again, the Commanders had 3 drives stalled after big plays were called back due to bad penalties. We scored on the Eagles after back to Back horrible PI calls on Maxwell. These get discussed in the game threads weekly by many of us. Your excuses are embarrassing as a fan base. Why don't you tweet Aikman or Moose and bring up your theory. You'll get laughed out of the building. And it's comical if you think Romo is only one that gets hit. Do you watch other games? Big Ben has late hits weekly. Brady got 2 cheap shots two weeks back. Brees had late hits with Carolina. Heck this weekend Cam Newton had guys going for his knees after being hurt. People talked about it in the Sunday game thread. You have blinders and watch Cowboy games looking for excuses. Multiple teams have had calls affects games this year:

Week 4, Lions game vs Seahawks. Refs don't call Hawks for batting ball out of end zone to give Lions chance to win

Week 5, SD v Pitt . Clock runs on touchback costing Pitt 18 seconds in final drive

Week 10, Jvill v Balt the refs miss a false start that would have been a 10 second runoff with 5 sec left that would have ended game yet they call Balt for face mask and give Jags game winning FG.

Week 11, Pats v Buff, the refs don't call Watkins out of bounds costing the Bills a chance at a Hail Mary. Also inadvertent whistle earlier where Amendola almost scored so brought back.

See!! Many games where it mattered more than ours..how about I add Lions v Cowboys where a bogus call helps us beat the Lions for out only playoff win in years.

So please stop. Read the articles on MMQB regarding the refs and what Richard Sherman wrote and you realize what is going on.

As far as our fumbles this game, I've heard 3 different interpretations in 3 weeks. First heard it's a fumble as long as it's moving at all. Another team not named Dallas got screwed here. Then I heard if ball is controlled, even moving its not a fumble. Then a variation of 2 this week. The first fumble was 50/50 to me. His knee seemed to hit as the ball came out. Even wrote here thought he was down. But have you heard anything from Jerry about contacting the league, etc? No because they know they blew game.

Players can't, because if fines, and won't complain about calls because they don't want to be called crybabies. If I was playing I wouldn't either. It's just never a good look. Even on a message board where the sanctimonious posters like you get overly excited and write book long posts about it.

Big Ben gets hit? Really? Thought it was flag for him.
No ####. Of course he does. None nearly as late or blatant as the Romo hit in the Giants game. http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-o...e-hit-sunday-shows-up-on-week-2-injury-report That's one of many over his career he's consistantly near the bottom in the league in roughing against. Despite being hit one of the most.
And why would I make excuses. I don't play. I watch almost all games and I don't see it as bad consistantly. You're using good examples from like 10 different teams. My team has had nearly that many unexplainable calls this year. Several were more important in deciding the game. The Tampa penalty would've given us first and goal at the 1 with under a minute to go. I'd say that's more "important" than a chance at a Hail Mary. For one.

I don't think you're being honest with yourself.

 

[DogFace]

From the picture, that's pass interference all day long. If that involved Dez Bryant and the flag were picked up, this forum would go full meltdown mode.

Amazing how you see around Hichens from that angle to see the contact.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Even if he did touch the facemask, which doesn't really show in video provided by Sultan

See an eye doctor. Please.

 

[Miller]

Players can't, because if fines, and won't complain about calls because they don't want to be called crybabies. If I was playing I wouldn't either. It's just never a good look. Even on a message board where the sanctimonious posters like you get overly excited and write book long posts about it.

Big Ben gets hit? Really? Thought it was flag for him.
No ####. Of course he does. None nearly as late or blatant as the Romo hit in the Giants game.

That's one of many over his career he's consistantly near the bottom in the league in roughing against. Despite being hit one of the most.
And why would I make excuses. I don't play. I watch almost all games and I don't see it as bad consistantly. You're using good examples from like 10 different teams. My team has had nearly that many unexplainable calls this year. Several were more important in deciding the game. The Tampa penalty would've given us first and goal at the 1 with under a minute to go. I'd say that's more "important" than a chance at a Hail Mary. For one.

I don't think you're being honest with yourself.

Wrong. I'm being honest, along with the Jones family and the coaches and the media, etc. You don't think Jerry would be screaming from the rooftops that we are getting screwed out of playoff position? You don't think anyone in the local media would be crying foul? I've only seen this talk on this board by Monday Morning Refs.

 

[Miller]

See an eye doctor. Please.

The article you posted even said it. Please dude. At worst, we lose. At best, they still have the ball. Lions got screwed. That's reality.

 

[DogFace]

You are dead wrong. The rule states that the player MUST keep control through hitting the ground. Dez didn't. I've seen at last 5 calls similar this year get overturned because of the exact same rule. It's why Dez had said he wants to be on the committee reviewing what a catch is. Yes, I think it is a catch and he made a move, but under rules they are saying he didn't maintain control. It's the rule that is dumb and causing catches to be overturned.

As far as Hitchens...relook at this article. He a) doesn't have his back turned and b) clearly grabs the TEs arm before the ball is there. Look at the video at the bottom of the page. 16 secons into the 1:10. They show stills and Hitchen arm is extended and on the TEs shoulder before the ball go there. If this happened to us it would go down in infamy as one of the worst calls ever. If you think its a good no call then there is a major issue. See pic below also

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-...-pass-interference-negated-controversy-010415

The first shot is of a hold before the ball was thrown. That could've been called. Several thousands others aren't either.

The second picture is him knocking his hand off his facemask. Watch the video you posted. It's very clear.

 

[Miller]

Amazing how you see around Hichens from that angle to see the contact.

Try reading through thread.

This better

Or this

 

[Miller]

The first shot is of a hold before the ball was thrown. That could've been called. Several thousands others aren't either.

The second picture is him knocking his hand off his facemask. Watch the video you posted. It's very clear.

Wrong. Go watch the ALLEGED facemask no one is talking about and when it happened...coming after the hold and WAY before this where Hitchens has his hands on his shoulder. If anything it would be inadvertent with TE reaching back for ball under your scenario since Hitchens hasn't turned his head.

BTW, you know how silly you sound now...according to you the hold happens in every game..but your ticky tack calls screwing us out of wins only happen to us..lol

 

[tyke1doe]

Amazing how you see around Hichens from that angle to see the contact.

I don't even know what you're talking about. If a receiver is coming back for the ball and the defender isn't playing the ball or doesn't have his head turned to play the ball, that's PASS INTERFERENCE!

 

[Miller]

Raise your hand if you're surprised that a bunch of people who spend all their time here concern trolling other fans, parroting every piece of conventional wisdom they see, bashing every player and member of the organization, and trotting out lame unsupported arguments to "criticize other's opinions" are leading this charge. I'm not. These people have spent so much time trying to appear unbiased that they don't realize they've tilted to the opposite and are now guilty of the very thing they criticize others for.

I have not trolled since joining here. I dare you to go back to where I started posting and show where I trolled in this thread. Yet you and others have called me names and attacked because I'm not wearing a tin foil hat. Sorry that me and others are blaming a bad coach, bad team and a lackluster offense. You listen to Troy Aikman on the radio weekly? Guess he is a troll since he has said we just aren't making plays to win and that we deserve these losses. Guess Sean Lee is a troll planted by other teams since he thinks they are shooting themselves in the foot. Guess all rational fans watching this year are ganging up with our mind control to go after the 3-4 people on CowboyZone who think the refs are out to get us and have cost a 4 win team the playoffs.

 

[Miller]

I don't even know what you're talking about. If a receiver is coming back for the ball and the defender isn't playing the ball or doesn't have his head turned to play the ball, that's PASS INTERFERENCE!

You will have to excuse them...rules get in the way of a good old fashion conspiracy.

 

[tyke1doe]

You will have to excuse them...rules get in the way of a good old fashion conspiracy.

 

[SultanOfSix]

The article you posted even said it. Please dude. At worst, we lose. At best, they still have the ball. Lions got screwed. That's reality.

I don't care if the article said it. That's the author's opinion on a video anyone else can see. Anyone who isn't blind as a bat can see that he has his fingers on his face mask, even wrapped around it. You put this in front of an jury who care nothing about football and have no fan association to a particular team and I'm certain all of them will say the same.

The only person here who is biased is you.

Watching the play in real time, there is contact between both parties. The holding by Hitchens comes right after the receiver extends his arms to push him away by the facemask which he then subsequently grabs. If anything, no flag should have been tossed on the play at all. The ball was poorly thrown and uncatchable and thrown into the back of Hitchens.The ref said he threw the flag because of face guarding for PI, but that is not a penalty in the NFL.

You're using this play as an excuse to substantiate a terrible call on Dez. Neither play is tied to the other as far as rules go. And the former should certainly have no impact whatsoever on the latter.

 

[Floatyworm]

Sorry but the constant daily and weekly whining Threads/postings from Cowboy fans complaining how Espn, NFLN, the refs, the league etc are in some conspiracy against Dallas is ridiculous...

No it's not.....Fact is.... it's true

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The officials are bad all game long, in every single game across the league.

It's not a Dallas bias.

It's the referees are completely useless.